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US-India defence pact to impact Pakistan, China

It's still a big deal, even if it isn't a defense pact or some other more connotative and charged version of military treaties. Beyond resupply and replenishment, logistics pacts open the door for either nation to host supplies in each others land... this is different from basing, which is for assets like ships, aircraft or personnel.

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Storing munitions in India and having access to Indian ports would greatly help the US speed up its replenishment in the event the region turned hot and we'd need to intervene, or say, in Afghanistan. This also allows both nations to have a partner that hedges against any action against the two. Would a hostile nation attack India knowing US assets are there? Would they risk an attack on the US knowing they're also hitting Indian soil?

Beyond that this gives India access to a multi-pronged approach to regional concerns. The LEMAO says the US supports India, which gives it diplomatic clout. It also allows India logistics and resupply access to US bases in the region (unless restricted). Should the region turn hot, India wouldn't have to rely solely on its own territory for logistics concerns, and this opens up a multi-pronged front. And once again, would an adversary attack those logistics bases and supplies knowing they are on US bases?

These are not basing agreements for the most part. But they can also be expanded to include foreign arms and personal if needed.

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Indeed the pact is to be reviewed, evaluated and need to be taken in consideration with respect to Our future alliance. This pact will help us to look at the situation with more and different angles. Pakistan-China and Russia will definitely be evaluating the situation and such agreements whereby India is providing more grounds for US influence in this region against the oldest rival Russia and China as well as newly Pakistan.
India does have support MOA with Russia as well if yiu didn't know already. India is never going against Russia if that is what you are trying to fuel the suspicions. Which country in earth will share their Nuke submarine if their faith can put in dock by some attention seeker country. Not worth it. This agreement is not for war. It is for increasing the footprint of our defense forces all around our near neighborhood. We have southeast Asia, Australia, China, CAR, middle East and Africa in our neighborhood where we wish to assist in any untoward incidents kr support in HADR ops.

As long as huge money is flowing to Russia
It's far more than money which your capitalism will never understand. India is home of mixed country where capitalism can co-exist with socialism and communism and that is exactly our strength.
 
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Nothing complicated, just a new cold war developing, some new players some old ones and smaller players getting into respective camps, move along.
 
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Dude the likes of your countrymen are saying the US/Pakistan relationship is over and we can take care of the Pakistan situation forever. Silly things are said by all.

I am not responsible or aware of what someone said somewhere, I am reacting to what's being said on this thread.

India does have support MOA with Russia as well if yiu didn't know already. India is never going against Russia if that is what you are trying to fuel the suspicions. Which country in earth will share their Nuke submarine if their faith can put in dock by some attention seeker country. Not worth it. This agreement is not for war. It is for increasing the footprint of our defense forces all around our near neighborhood. We have southeast Asia, Australia, China, CAR, middle East and Africa in our neighborhood where we wish to assist in any untoward incidents kr support in HADR ops.


It's far more than money which your capitalism will never understand. India is home of mixed country where capitalism can co-exist with socialism and communism and that is exactly our strength.

Pakistani imagination running wild wrt Russia. They aren't aware what Indo -Russian friendship is.
 
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It is quite interesting that Pakistan is now throwing off the shackles of US hegemony, while India is now surrendering and allowing US troops to operate out of their soil?

Is it just that India must do the exact opposite of what Pakistan does, or what? :cheesy: Quite a hefty price to pay, the greatest price even.

However Pakistan, China and Russia should seriously act on this development and foster closer ties in the field of defence.

India already tried to attack us in 1962 during our worst ever famine, with American support.

India pleaded for US help against China in 1962 - Times of India

America doesn't care about their pawns though. For example China forcibly seized territory from the Philippines in 2012, and America chose to abandon their "mutual defense treaty" with the Philippines rather than laying down even $0.01 of sanctions on China.

India lost a much larger chunk of territory, Aksai Chin. So did the Ukraine, though it was Russia in that case.
 
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It is quite interesting that Pakistan is now throwing off the shackles of US hegemony, while India is now surrendering and allowing US troops to operate out of their soil?

Is it just that India must do the exact opposite of what Pakistan does, or what? :cheesy: Quite a hefty price to pay, the greatest price even.



India already tried to attack us in 1962 during our worst ever famine, with American support.

India pleaded for US help against China in 1962 - Times of India

America doesn't care about their pawns though. For example China forcibly seized territory from the Philippines in 2012, and America chose to abandon their "mutual defense treaty" with the Philippines rather than laying down even $0.01 of sanctions on China.

India lost a much larger chunk of territory, Aksai Chin. So did the Ukraine, though it was Russia in that case.

Pakistan has found out the hard way what it means to be under the influence of the US. Now the US openly blames Pakistan for terrorism in this region while turning a blind eye to the indian terrorism in Pakistan. How can the Pakistani authority justify its alliance with such a treacherous ally to the people? There's no way and that's why Pakistan has reluctantly turned away from the US. It doesn't mean that there are no sleeping cells of the CIA in Pakistan, there are plenty of them and they have a lot to lose if the US goes down. They will do everything in their power to spoil the Sino-Pak relation.
 
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India is never going against Russia if that is what you are trying to fuel the suspicions.

That is not us fueling the situation, Modi Sarkar while signing the PACT knows it well, a plain denial wouldn't serve the purpose that you are trying to imply here. Giving/gave access to US doesn't bother Russia, NO but it is and you have to wait for that response, the response that may have many shapes and it isn't necessary that to be harsh statement or military threat though someone can say NO with a smile and for that you can see Pak-US relations and the end of it. You are not reading and understanding the lines here but you are just portraying the Russia of those lovely days between India and them but now it is about new relations and interests of Geo-Politics and in such business, no one is friend forever that too without any benefits for self but when it comes to be more trusted, do not forget China for Russia. As I said, the separation is not necessarily to be happened after passing bitter words and based upon threatening behaviour. Nobody can fuel the situation nor it is needed as India itself has done the job.


This agreement is not for war.

as you say but, very next to it, you lost to hold it further and...

It is for increasing the footprint of our defense forces all around our near neighborhood.

for what, gardening and planting trees for greener region and mineral water. As soon as you mentioned "Agreement is not for war" you forgot to continue the same approach by very next words you wrote and drawn the true picture that what really this Pact is meant for.
 
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For Sino-Pak Friends, brothers, Please, read what this sane indian is saying about this pact.

India and US become logistical allies
By M.K. Bhadrakumar on August 29, 2016

This week marks a historic milestone in independent India’s diplomatic history. The Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) was signed in Washington on August 29.



The LEMOA provides for the armed forces of the two countries to use the other globally for supplies, spare parts, services and refueling. Effectively, the US armed forces could operate out of Indian bases on a simple basis.

India has never allowed foreign powers to operate out of its military bases. It rejected ‘bloc’ mentality and treasured ‘strategic autonomy’.

Notionally, LEMOA allows India also to operate out of American bases ‘globally’, but in reality, though, projection of power in such proportions lies in the womb of time, if at all, for the Indian Navy, which can barely cope with the country’s 7,500-kilometer coastline.

It is useful for US to gain access to the tremendous Indian bases without having to build facilities virtually up from the ground. The ‘pivot’ to Asia and the plans to deploy 60% of its surface ships in the Asia-Pacific, arguably, makes LEMOA a useful platform.

However, US may not really need to operate out of Indian bases. For projection of power into Pakistan, Central Asia, Xinjiang or Iran, American bases in Afghanistan serve the purpose. Besides, US military bases are littered all over Persian Gulf, which are home, collectively, to hundreds of fighter and other aircraft, dozens of naval ships, including aircraft carriers, and tens of thousands of military personnel.

The US keeps a base in Djibouti, too. Then, there is the secretive base at Diego Garcia, which enables the US to keep a close watch on the major trade and energy SLOCs from and to China, and is used to keep watch over South Asia. In the Asia-Pacific also, there are dozens of US military bases – Singapore, Philippines, Australia, South Korea and Japan.

So, what is the raison d’etre of LEMOA? Why is it that Washington pulled all stops to get the Narendra Modi government India to the signing ceremony? First and foremost, LEMOA is a ‘foundational agreement’.

It means US is putting one toe inside the Indian tent. Once inside the tent, life can always be made more comfortable. This is one thing.

Second, LEMOA is a key way-station on agreements still to come – Communications and Information Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Intelligence (BECA).

Simply put, US and India are navigating their journey through the LEMOA to the ultimate destination – CISMOA and BECA.

Once they reach the destination, India can either buy or use cutting-edge American military technology for its air force and navy – and the US can sell such technology to India.

Indeed, India is one of the world’s biggest buyers of advanced weaponry – perhaps, the biggest – and the US is the world’s number one vendor of weapons. It is a match made in heavens.

There are several other deals and policies backing up the LEMOA – US legislating on India being a Major Defense Partner, US helping India to get on board the Missile Technology Control Regime, etc. – all of which ultimately facilitates the trade in top US military technology.

India gets top-of-the-line military technology, while US contractors get a much better launching pad to secure highly lucrative multi-billion dollar contracts in India.Lockheed Martin Corp.’s offer to shift all of its F-16 manufacturing to India is a case in point.

Lockheed will be killing three birds with a single shot. One, its offer of co-production becomes a key selling point in the company’s current lobbying to win an India order that may exceed 100 fighter jets; two, it suits Lockheed to vacate F-16 production (with the advent of stealth F-35 warplane); and, three, co-production is a game changer for US-India defense ties.

However, the bottom line concerns the geopolitics of LEMOA. This needs some explaining. Ever since the Bill Clinton Administration shed in the mid-nineties the Cold-War era prejudices vis-à-vis India, Washington has been nudging New Delhi to jettison its non-aligned policies and harmonize with US’ global strategies.

Through the past quarter century, the US assembled a local Indian brigade of foot soldiers to incessantly keep fighting to create an opinion favoring the US-India strategic alliance. India’s so-called think tankers and media persons who take American tutelage played a big part.

On the other hand, the Left has greatly shrunk as a political force in India and more recently, the systematic vilification campaign has been let loose on former Indian prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru and everything he stood for in India’s foreign policy – especially, his doctrine of non-alignment.

The stunning paradox is that even influential voices within the Hindu nationalist camp, who domestically espouse the ideology of Akhant Bharat (‘Fortress India’), appear to have succumbed to the charms of the lone superpower.

Suffice it to say, Narendra Modi government is all set to take the leap of faith. Despite the backdrop of New Cold War, India is shifting away from Russia, its Cold War ally, toward the new alliance with the US.

Unsurprisingly, the US is being pragmatic, pandering to the vanities and phobias of the present-day ruling elites – ‘catching-up’ with India as a military power, undoing the Partition of 1947 leading to the creation of Pakistan, etc.

To be sure, Uncle Sam is fixated on promoting highly lucrative arms exports to the Indian bazaar, which is reportedly worth $150 billion in a near term alone. But then, US cannot be unaware that India is also a bundle of contradictions: at one end, Modi government is eager to inherit the Lockheed’s phased-out production line for F-16, while at the other end, India can qualify as a failing state.

The ‘catching-up’ with China will in all probability turn out to be a pipe-dream. But the damage will be done during the reign of the starry-eyes Hindu nationalists. The specter of a US-Indian alliance is goading China and Pakistan to transform their ‘all-weather friendship’ into a regional alliance.

Clearly, if the new US-Indian proximity in the mid-nineties was principally about the economic transformation of India with American help, the locus has dramatically shifted.

The US is unable to help India with its development agenda. Anywhere around 600-700 million Indians live without a hope on earth. New Delhi is left with no alternative today but to try to undermine China’s $46 billion investment projects in Pakistan as the only way to prevent that country galloping away, shaming India’s economy.

The Modi government is determined to ‘normalize’ with China and/or Pakistan only from a position of strength. It estimates that the LEMOA opens the door to India’s emergence as a military superpower, riding on the wings of advanced American technology. But this delusionary thinking may only fuel regional tensions.

If there is anything Turkey epitomises today, it is the dangerous game US played by encouraging the ascendancy of political Islam in that country in the post-cold war era with a view to subsume the secular nationalism that ‘Kemalism’ represented. Once the genie of religious nationalism gets out of the bottle – Islamist or Hindu alike – all the Joe Bidens of the world still cannot get control of it again.

Ironically, Turkey not only has a 20-year old production plant near Ankara for F-16 jets, but it also set up two years ago an engine factory in Izmir to produce engine parts for US fighter jet F-35, the world’s most advanced aircraft.
 
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For Sino-Pak Friends, brothers, Please, read what this sane indian is saying about this pact.

India and US become logistical allies
By M.K. Bhadrakumar on August 29, 2016

This week marks a historic milestone in independent India’s diplomatic history. The Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) was signed in Washington on August 29.



The LEMOA provides for the armed forces of the two countries to use the other globally for supplies, spare parts, services and refueling. Effectively, the US armed forces could operate out of Indian bases on a simple basis.

India has never allowed foreign powers to operate out of its military bases. It rejected ‘bloc’ mentality and treasured ‘strategic autonomy’.

Notionally, LEMOA allows India also to operate out of American bases ‘globally’, but in reality, though, projection of power in such proportions lies in the womb of time, if at all, for the Indian Navy, which can barely cope with the country’s 7,500-kilometer coastline.

It is useful for US to gain access to the tremendous Indian bases without having to build facilities virtually up from the ground. The ‘pivot’ to Asia and the plans to deploy 60% of its surface ships in the Asia-Pacific, arguably, makes LEMOA a useful platform.

However, US may not really need to operate out of Indian bases. For projection of power into Pakistan, Central Asia, Xinjiang or Iran, American bases in Afghanistan serve the purpose. Besides, US military bases are littered all over Persian Gulf, which are home, collectively, to hundreds of fighter and other aircraft, dozens of naval ships, including aircraft carriers, and tens of thousands of military personnel.

The US keeps a base in Djibouti, too. Then, there is the secretive base at Diego Garcia, which enables the US to keep a close watch on the major trade and energy SLOCs from and to China, and is used to keep watch over South Asia. In the Asia-Pacific also, there are dozens of US military bases – Singapore, Philippines, Australia, South Korea and Japan.

So, what is the raison d’etre of LEMOA? Why is it that Washington pulled all stops to get the Narendra Modi government India to the signing ceremony? First and foremost, LEMOA is a ‘foundational agreement’.

It means US is putting one toe inside the Indian tent. Once inside the tent, life can always be made more comfortable. This is one thing.

Second, LEMOA is a key way-station on agreements still to come – Communications and Information Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Intelligence (BECA).

Simply put, US and India are navigating their journey through the LEMOA to the ultimate destination – CISMOA and BECA.

Once they reach the destination, India can either buy or use cutting-edge American military technology for its air force and navy – and the US can sell such technology to India.

Indeed, India is one of the world’s biggest buyers of advanced weaponry – perhaps, the biggest – and the US is the world’s number one vendor of weapons. It is a match made in heavens.

There are several other deals and policies backing up the LEMOA – US legislating on India being a Major Defense Partner, US helping India to get on board the Missile Technology Control Regime, etc. – all of which ultimately facilitates the trade in top US military technology.

India gets top-of-the-line military technology, while US contractors get a much better launching pad to secure highly lucrative multi-billion dollar contracts in India.Lockheed Martin Corp.’s offer to shift all of its F-16 manufacturing to India is a case in point.

Lockheed will be killing three birds with a single shot. One, its offer of co-production becomes a key selling point in the company’s current lobbying to win an India order that may exceed 100 fighter jets; two, it suits Lockheed to vacate F-16 production (with the advent of stealth F-35 warplane); and, three, co-production is a game changer for US-India defense ties.

However, the bottom line concerns the geopolitics of LEMOA. This needs some explaining. Ever since the Bill Clinton Administration shed in the mid-nineties the Cold-War era prejudices vis-à-vis India, Washington has been nudging New Delhi to jettison its non-aligned policies and harmonize with US’ global strategies.

Through the past quarter century, the US assembled a local Indian brigade of foot soldiers to incessantly keep fighting to create an opinion favoring the US-India strategic alliance. India’s so-called think tankers and media persons who take American tutelage played a big part.

On the other hand, the Left has greatly shrunk as a political force in India and more recently, the systematic vilification campaign has been let loose on former Indian prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru and everything he stood for in India’s foreign policy – especially, his doctrine of non-alignment.

The stunning paradox is that even influential voices within the Hindu nationalist camp, who domestically espouse the ideology of Akhant Bharat (‘Fortress India’), appear to have succumbed to the charms of the lone superpower.

Suffice it to say, Narendra Modi government is all set to take the leap of faith. Despite the backdrop of New Cold War, India is shifting away from Russia, its Cold War ally, toward the new alliance with the US.

Unsurprisingly, the US is being pragmatic, pandering to the vanities and phobias of the present-day ruling elites – ‘catching-up’ with India as a military power, undoing the Partition of 1947 leading to the creation of Pakistan, etc.

To be sure, Uncle Sam is fixated on promoting highly lucrative arms exports to the Indian bazaar, which is reportedly worth $150 billion in a near term alone. But then, US cannot be unaware that India is also a bundle of contradictions: at one end, Modi government is eager to inherit the Lockheed’s phased-out production line for F-16, while at the other end, India can qualify as a failing state.

The ‘catching-up’ with China will in all probability turn out to be a pipe-dream. But the damage will be done during the reign of the starry-eyes Hindu nationalists. The specter of a US-Indian alliance is goading China and Pakistan to transform their ‘all-weather friendship’ into a regional alliance.

Clearly, if the new US-Indian proximity in the mid-nineties was principally about the economic transformation of India with American help, the locus has dramatically shifted.

The US is unable to help India with its development agenda. Anywhere around 600-700 million Indians live without a hope on earth. New Delhi is left with no alternative today but to try to undermine China’s $46 billion investment projects in Pakistan as the only way to prevent that country galloping away, shaming India’s economy.

The Modi government is determined to ‘normalize’ with China and/or Pakistan only from a position of strength. It estimates that the LEMOA opens the door to India’s emergence as a military superpower, riding on the wings of advanced American technology. But this delusionary thinking may only fuel regional tensions.

If there is anything Turkey epitomises today, it is the dangerous game US played by encouraging the ascendancy of political Islam in that country in the post-cold war era with a view to subsume the secular nationalism that ‘Kemalism’ represented. Once the genie of religious nationalism gets out of the bottle – Islamist or Hindu alike – all the Joe Bidens of the world still cannot get control of it again.

Ironically, Turkey not only has a 20-year old production plant near Ankara for F-16 jets, but it also set up two years ago an engine factory in Izmir to produce engine parts for US fighter jet F-35, the world’s most advanced aircraft.

He not Indian he commie first

Nevertheless who is he there no relevance of his personal opinion

Neither in public nor any civil society
 
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Notionally, LEMOA allows India also to operate out of American bases ‘globally’, but in reality, though, projection of power in such proportions lies in the womb of time, if at all, for the Indian Navy, which can barely cope with the country’s 7,500-kilometer coastline.

It is useful for US to gain access to the tremendous Indian bases without having to build facilities virtually up from the ground.

That is what I had been saying since the beginning when the idea was initially floated.

He not Indian he commie first

Nevertheless who is he there no relevance of his personal opinion

Neither in public nor any civil society

Whoever he may be but doesnt he sound logical when he presented facts as who is the actual beneficiary of this pact?
 
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Whoever he may be but doesnt he sound logical when he presented facts as who is the actual beneficiary of this fact?

He only showed his personal hatered and bias
What communists has for US

Non of his rants yes will stated as fact

It's seems his neither read or properly have actual knowledge of the statergic affairs


His article filled with his own opinion Rather's facts anyone can put out this from it

You Forming your own opinion this article because it will suite your arguments

But it's clear that all his writing is just opinion of a bias ideological thinking rather what we consider a actual Fact
 
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He only showed his personal hatered and bias
What communists has for US

Non of his rants yes will stated as fact

It's seems his neither read or properly have actual knowledge of the statergic affairs


His article filled with his own opinion Rather's facts anyone can put out this from it

You Forming your own opinion this article because it will suite your arguments

But it's clear that all his writing is just opinion of a bias ideological thinking rather what we consider a actual Fact

Plz bear me out with an eye of neutral lens. US had been one of the top arms supplier and hi tech stuff to Pakistan and our association with Uncle Sam had been for almost 65 plus years so who else will know Uncle Sam more than us? Plz look around and U wud find that wherever Uncle Sam has stepped in, It had played havoc with that country. May it be Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc and look around that where-ever it has got bases are now in trouble. May it be Philipines, South Korea, ME etc etc. Why do U think it helped India get MTCR, extra ordinary Nuclear exemptions, Support for NSG etc etc? Was it just a good will gesture? No my friend but the fact is that they are going to use India as their pawn for the fights it can not or does not want to fight on own. Its just matter of time when U wud find that hostilities of India with its neighbors esp Pakistan and China would be at all time high. To summarize it, Uncle Sam is using India for its own interests and will abandon it there and then when its interests are met or if at some stage India decides to move back.
 
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Plz bear me out with an eye of neutral lens. US had been one of the top arms supplier and hi tech stuff to Pakistan and our association with Uncle Sam had been for almost 65 plus years so who else will know Uncle Sam more than us? Plz look around and U wud find that wherever Uncle Sam has stepped in, It had played havoc with that country. May it be Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc and look around that where-ever it has got bases are now in trouble. May it be Philipines, South Korea, ME etc etc. Why do U think it helped India get MTCR, extra ordinary Nuclear exemptions, Support for NSG etc etc? Was it just a good will gesture? No my friend but the fact is that they are going to use India as their pawn for the fights it can not or does not want to fight on own. Its just matter of time when U wud find that hostilities of India with its neighbors esp Pakistan and China would be at all time high. To summarize it, Uncle Sam is using India for its own interests and will abandon it there and then when its interests are met or if at some stage India decides to move back.
India is not PaKistan That enough reason to You to understand.Pakistan is Dubious Country it Dictatorial regime It Records
And Its Policy Which related in its own Failure


Chinese are no Saint Either Ask this Asean countries including Vietnam and Taiwan

The US is unable to help India with its development agenda. Anywhere around 600-700 million Indians live without a hope on earth. New Delhi is left with no alternative today but to try to undermine China’s $46 billion investment projects in Pakistan as the only way to prevent that country galloping away, shaming India’s economy.
What Bull crap Don't Where he pulled this figure from behind from his rear

He should read this
http://in.one.un.org/page/latest-reports

http://qz.com/768804/the-modi-effect-us-fdi-into-india-has-jumped-500-in-the-last-two-years/

India Has it own Projects Yes projects Which Far bigger And Larger In Comparison to CPEC

For Example
DMICDC
http://www.dmicdc.com/

Chinese are themself not Certain on CPEC future

http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/balochistan-cm-zehri-absent-from-cpec-summit-in-islamabad-116083000309_1.html
http://www.dawn.com/news/1271483


Figure Chinese $46 billion $ Investment Into Pakistan is Far Still fetched Today's Reality is This 67 Billion $ as of 2016 Already Invested in india by Foreign Firms

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