US Drone Strikes Might be War Crimes - UN

[Sashan]

hmmm.................interesting
But I hope you guys do realise that Pakistan will be left alone to fend off the terrorists, if they were to complain in any supernational organization
Not to mention possible trade embargoes and sanctions........

It is a very dangerous road that Pakistan is treading right now............

On the highlighted portion - Pakistan will not have trade embargoes and sanctions as Pakistan will be seeking a legal remedy here. If Pakistan wins the contest, it can use it as a leverage in the diplomacy.

 

[VCheng]

On the highlighted portion - Pakistan will not have trade embargoes and sanctions as Pakistan will be seeking a legal remedy here. If Pakistan wins the contest, it can use it as a leverage in the diplomacy.

Pakistan has a chance of doing that ONLY if it starts to contest the drone strikes. It has to start the contest formally. Mere words of "protest" will go nowhere, as we have already seen multiple times.

 

[ashok321]

Nicaragua filed a complaint after a law passed by its parliament, and ended up withdrawing it:

After the VETO in the SC, nicaragua moved the General assembly, which supported Nicaragua, but nothing could be done finally against VETO wielding USA...nothing they could have done...hence they withdrew.

But the matter did not die there...US congress passed a r esolution to allocate 100 million for fighting Nicargua b aiding the rebels....

Pakistan has a chance of doing that ONLY if it starts to contest the drone strikes. It has to start the contest formally. Mere words of "protest" will go nowhere, as we have already seen multiple times.

pakistan will be a big looser why?

It would be declared a terrorist nation. Period.

 

[VCheng]

After the VETO in the SC, nicaragua moved the General assembly, which supported Nicaragua, but nothing could be done finally against VETO wielding USA...nothing they could have done...hence they withdrew.

But the matter did not die there...US congress passed a r esolution to allocate 100 million for fighting Nicargua b aiding the rebels....

Of course every action has a reaction, which, in geopolitics, can take many forms.

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pakistan will be a big looser why?

It would be declared a terrorist nation. Period.

I would not prejudge any outcomes just yet.

 

[ashok321]

I would not prejudge any outcomes just yet


Every action has reaction in Geopolitics! That can take many forms....

And those are your own words that can not be discarded as a trash

 

[manofwar]

On the highlighted portion - Pakistan will not have trade embargoes and sanctions as Pakistan will be seeking a legal remedy here. If Pakistan wins the contest, it can use it as a leverage in the diplomacy.

Americans can't enforce a multi nation embargo, like they did with Iran but they can cutoff all American trade which itself will be very dangerous for an economy like Pakistan's.............

 

[Sashan]

Americans can't enforce a multi nation embargo, like they did with Iran but they can cutoff all American trade which itself will be very dangerous for an economy like Pakistan's.............

That may be a possibility but again Pakistan can go to WTO contestiing U.S trade policies.

I would not prejudge any outcomes just yet.

Amen to that.

 

[VCheng]

That may be a possibility but again Pakistan can go to WTO contestiing U.S trade policies.
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The WTO will be no solution, because Pakistan has been requesting preferential access to European nd US markets for its textiles, since its products cannot compete with other producers around the world. If USA adheres to WTO rules strictly, Pakistani textiles will be slowly crowded out of the markets.

 

[ashok321]

During WOT times in 2001 Pakistan signed ALL seven conditions on dotted line, even state department was surprised. And they remain classfied. What Pakistan has given away, we dont know.

Pakistan can not do anything against the USA, or else, pakistan stands to be punished big time by super power.

It is wise for Pakistan to remain quite or reconcile with the US.

After the OBL's LONG presence in Pakistan, Pakistan has lost its International credeblity.
And more....USA is sitting on wealth of information that was confiscated/siezed from OBL's residence, which might prove Pakistani complicity, and it is hard evidence which would nail Pakistan in ICJ or any other court.
pakistan knows it, hence it is silent.

 

[manofwar]

That may be a possibility but again Pakistan can go to WTO contestiing U.S trade policies

Anyways, even if Pakistan manages to convince WTO, when has international law stopped America from doing something??
The Nicuaraga case was not such a big deal for the American Foreign Policy, but Pakistan is.......................
Mushy made a deal with the Devil, I'd say.......................

 

[fd24]

pakistan will be a big looser why?

It would be declared a terrorist nation. Period.

If Pakistan contests drone strikes which the world is beginning to realize and suggest as an illegal instrument to be using - you suggest we will be losers and be declared a fail state? I think your premature wet dreams and fantasies have taken over your wildest imagination.
It is imperative that Pakistan starts to break its ties with the USA if they wish to use illegal means in our nation and murder innocent people. In the same breath strengthen our links with countries in our region to counter the backlash one will inevitably have when the spoilt brat (USA) doesnt get its way. Amicably would certainly be my choice....

 

[regular]

In other words, as far as Heyns knows, drone strikes do NOT constitute war crimes.

killing a person without giving him chance to prove innocence is itself a crime . Its the worst crime against humanity......

 

[VCheng]

killing a person without giving him chance to prove innocence is itself a crime . Its the worst crime against humanity......

So what about killing patently innocents in the first place, like what the terrorists did on 9/11, and are doing in Pakistan, with over 30,000 lives lost?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I don think US have respected any international laws, particularly when the same international laws may affect their sphere of influence or challenge their hegemony !
When the Drone strikes are yet to be assigned to the type of warfare, the UN may assume it to be "crime" for violating an international borders !!
The term "war crime" may have been given cos of deaths of children's and women's during the most earliest drone strikes !!
But now though the drone strikes have become accurate enough to kill only the required target
We must wait for the outcome, but there will be no outcome, if pakistan fails to lodge a complaint(which i doubt they will)!!

 

[fd24]

So what about killing patently innocents in the first place, like what the terrorists did on 9/11, and are doing in Pakistan, with over 30,000 lives lost?

We all agree what happened on 9/11 was deplorable. VC - You are still not prepared to get over the simple fact drone attacks, in their haste, are not guaranteed to JUST strike out the terrorists and innocent people have been lost. 2 wrongs dont make a right and the world is indeed beginning to condemn these illegal acts. You are muddying the waters by going off at a tangent.