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FATA is a part of Pakistan only on paper. It has been independent practically. So the military's attitude is not surprising.
US Drone strikes in Pakistan are illegal under international law.
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FATA is a part of Pakistan only on paper. It has been independent practically. So the military's attitude is not surprising.
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Trust me and I say it with no malice.. The stark difference in the reaction that came out of the deaths of 26 army men in Salala vs the reaction to deaths of 20 odd civilians in KP/FATA etc is so unfortunate. It doesnt even make it to the top headlines.
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We should use small Nukes on Pak Afghan mountain area. No Taliban = Peace Life.
Taliban are real threat for civilians.
Pakistan wanted wall on border area to stop the movement of Taliban but i don't know why USA always rejected this..
Enough is enough know. We already lost 3500+ military deaths.. Why not Use Nuke on them, Otherwise they will continue to generate thier generations and will become more Threat towards Pakistan..
I also don't know the policy of USA, They are desperately enhancing their role for talks with Taliban.
Also India is badly enhancing their foot in Afghanistan to enhance Taliban strikes in Pakistan
Taliban are real threat for civilians.
Pakistan wanted wall on border area to stop the movement of Taliban but i don't know why USA always rejected this..
Enough is enough know. We already lost 3500+ military deaths.. Why not Use Nuke on them, Otherwise they will continue to generate thier generations and will become more Threat towards Pakistan..
I also don't know the policy of USA, They are desperately enhancing their role for talks with Taliban.
Also India is badly enhancing their foot in Afghanistan to enhance Taliban strikes in Pakistan
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On the contrary, I want strategic thermonuclear weapons to be used against Afghanistan. Start from Qandhar and move north till this entire hell hole is completely sterlized.
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Funnily enough there are a lot of people in this world who think of Pakistan the same way.. Now I know you folks wont like it much, but then you should not wish something on others that you dont want others to wish on you..
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We have kids on this forum who do not know what they speak of, who do not know what pain and suffering is, who do not know how a person feels when he/she cannot do anything to protect his/her family. My country is a very sad country today, we are all indifferent to drone attacks, incursions, humiliations, violations of our borders and rights.
What these kids do not realize is the fact that this fire will burn down our houses too, it's only a matter of time. When will we say enough is enough, what is the threshold that will ultimately unite us against aggression. If there is 1 thing that I can guaratee, it is the fact that either all of us would have died with dignity defending our country or all of us would be living with dignity had I been the army chief! Today, all we have is shame.....lies and shame at every level.
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MIRAMSHAH: Missiles fired by US drones rained on suspected militant targets in North Waziristan on Thursday, killing at least 21 people.
According to sources, six people were killed and two others injured when two missiles slammed into a compound in the village of Spilga near Miramshah. The identities of the persons who died could not be ascertained.
Hours later, another drone attacked a moving vehicle on the Zekerkhel-Khaisur road in Mirali tehsil.
Official sources said 15 members of a militant group were killed. Their bodies were charred.
Local people rushed to the place and carried out rescue work.
Unmanned planes kept flying over the area throughout the day.
AFP adds: A security official said Uzbek militants had been killed in the attack on the vehicle.
Those who died in the first attack belonged to Badar Mansoor and the Haqqani network, loyal to the Afghan Taliban, another official said. Last Thursday, officials said Mansoor, described as the “de facto leader of Al Qaeda in Pakistan” had been killed in a drone strike in North Waziristan.
The New America Foundation think-tank in Washington says drone strikes in Pakistan have killed between 1,715 and 2,680 people over the past eight years.
According to an AFP tally, 45 US missile strikes were reported in the tribal belt in 2009, 101 in 2010 and 64 last year.
President Barack Obama last month confirmed for the first time that US drones attacked Taliban and Al Qaeda militants on Pakistani soil.
US drones kill 21 | Newspaper | DAWN.COM
According to sources, six people were killed and two others injured when two missiles slammed into a compound in the village of Spilga near Miramshah. The identities of the persons who died could not be ascertained.
Hours later, another drone attacked a moving vehicle on the Zekerkhel-Khaisur road in Mirali tehsil.
Official sources said 15 members of a militant group were killed. Their bodies were charred.
Local people rushed to the place and carried out rescue work.
Unmanned planes kept flying over the area throughout the day.
AFP adds: A security official said Uzbek militants had been killed in the attack on the vehicle.
Those who died in the first attack belonged to Badar Mansoor and the Haqqani network, loyal to the Afghan Taliban, another official said. Last Thursday, officials said Mansoor, described as the “de facto leader of Al Qaeda in Pakistan” had been killed in a drone strike in North Waziristan.
The New America Foundation think-tank in Washington says drone strikes in Pakistan have killed between 1,715 and 2,680 people over the past eight years.
According to an AFP tally, 45 US missile strikes were reported in the tribal belt in 2009, 101 in 2010 and 64 last year.
President Barack Obama last month confirmed for the first time that US drones attacked Taliban and Al Qaeda militants on Pakistani soil.
US drones kill 21 | Newspaper | DAWN.COM
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AP IMPACT: Study suggests drones kill far fewer civilians than many Pakistanis believe
By Associated Press, Published: February 24 | Updated: Sunday, February 26, 9:58 AM
ISLAMABAD — American drone strikes inside Pakistan are killing far fewer civilians than many in the country are led to believe, according to a rare on-the-ground investigation by The Associated Press of 10 of the deadliest attacks in the past 18 months.
The widespread perception in Pakistan that civilians, not militants, are the principal victims — a view that is fostered by leading right-wing politicians, clerics and the fighters themselves — fuels pervasive anti-American sentiment and, some argue, has swelled the ranks of al-Qaida and the Taliban.
But an AP reporter who spoke to about 80 villagers at the sites of the 10 attacks in North Waziristan, the main sanctuary for militants in Pakistan’s northwest tribal region along the Afghan border, was told that a significant majority of the dead were combatants.
Indeed, the AP was told by the villagers that of at least 194 people killed in the attacks, about 70 percent — at least 138 — were militants. The remaining 56 were either civilians or tribal police, and 38 of them were killed in a single attack on March 17, 2011.
Excluding that strike, which inflicted one of the worst civilian death tolls since the drone program started in Pakistan, nearly 90 percent of the people killed were militants, villagers said.
But the civilian deaths in the covert CIA-run program raise legal and ethical concerns, especially given Washington’s reluctance to speak openly about the strikes or compensate the families of innocent victims.
U.S. officials who were shown the AP’s findings rejected the accounts of any civilian casualties but declined to be quoted by name or make their own information public.
The U.S. has carried out at least 280 attacks since 2004 in Pakistan’s tribal region. The area is dangerous and off-limits to most reporters, and death tolls from the strikes usually rely on reports from Pakistani intelligence agents speaking on condition of anonymity.
The numbers gathered by the AP turned out to be very close to those given by Pakistani intelligence on the day of each strike, the main difference being that the officials often did not distinguish between militants and civilians.
Drone attacks began during the Bush administration. President Barack Obama has ramped them up significantly since he took office but slowed them down in recent months because of increased tension between the U.S. and Pakistan caused by American airstrikes that accidentally killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November.
Pakistan responded by kicking the U.S. out of a base used to service American drones, but the move is not expected to affect the program significantly.
The AP study paints a much different picture from that advanced by important Pakistani opinion-shapers.
By Associated Press, Published: February 24 | Updated: Sunday, February 26, 9:58 AM
ISLAMABAD — American drone strikes inside Pakistan are killing far fewer civilians than many in the country are led to believe, according to a rare on-the-ground investigation by The Associated Press of 10 of the deadliest attacks in the past 18 months.
The widespread perception in Pakistan that civilians, not militants, are the principal victims — a view that is fostered by leading right-wing politicians, clerics and the fighters themselves — fuels pervasive anti-American sentiment and, some argue, has swelled the ranks of al-Qaida and the Taliban.
But an AP reporter who spoke to about 80 villagers at the sites of the 10 attacks in North Waziristan, the main sanctuary for militants in Pakistan’s northwest tribal region along the Afghan border, was told that a significant majority of the dead were combatants.
Indeed, the AP was told by the villagers that of at least 194 people killed in the attacks, about 70 percent — at least 138 — were militants. The remaining 56 were either civilians or tribal police, and 38 of them were killed in a single attack on March 17, 2011.
Excluding that strike, which inflicted one of the worst civilian death tolls since the drone program started in Pakistan, nearly 90 percent of the people killed were militants, villagers said.
But the civilian deaths in the covert CIA-run program raise legal and ethical concerns, especially given Washington’s reluctance to speak openly about the strikes or compensate the families of innocent victims.
U.S. officials who were shown the AP’s findings rejected the accounts of any civilian casualties but declined to be quoted by name or make their own information public.
The U.S. has carried out at least 280 attacks since 2004 in Pakistan’s tribal region. The area is dangerous and off-limits to most reporters, and death tolls from the strikes usually rely on reports from Pakistani intelligence agents speaking on condition of anonymity.
The numbers gathered by the AP turned out to be very close to those given by Pakistani intelligence on the day of each strike, the main difference being that the officials often did not distinguish between militants and civilians.
Drone attacks began during the Bush administration. President Barack Obama has ramped them up significantly since he took office but slowed them down in recent months because of increased tension between the U.S. and Pakistan caused by American airstrikes that accidentally killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November.
Pakistan responded by kicking the U.S. out of a base used to service American drones, but the move is not expected to affect the program significantly.
The AP study paints a much different picture from that advanced by important Pakistani opinion-shapers.
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US drone attacks kill 13 in South Waziristan
PESHAWAR: Missiles fired from US drone aircrafts killed at least 13 people on Friday in the South Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border, DawnNews reported.
The missiles targeted a vehicle and a house in the Mandao district of South Waziristan, a rugged militant stronghold where the Pakistani army has staged offensives in the past, the officials said, giving no further details. The officials did not give their names because they were not authorized to speak to journalists.
It took place hours after al Qaida confirmed that a strike last month in North Waziristan killed one of its commanders _ a success in a CIA-led campaign, but a major source of tension plaguing the relationship between Washington and Islamabad.
The strikes, which began in earnest in 2008, have killed scores of militants, including foreign al Qaida members involved in plotting attacks on the West. Their frequency increased in 2010, when they hit militants widely seen as being proxies of the Pakistani army, causing friction between the US and Pakistan.
Friday’s attack was the eight this year. In contrast, in 2010, there were more than 150 such strikes.
Faced with strong public anger over the drone attacks, Pakistani officials publicly condemn them as an unacceptable violation of sovereignty that boosts support for extremism. Privately, the program has long had some level of official sanction and even cooperation.
The confirmation of the death of militant commander Badr Mansoor is significant, because he was believed to be behind many of the suicide attacks that have killed scores of Pakistani civilians in recent years.
It could be used by supporters of the campaign in Washington and Islamabad as an example of how drone attacks benefit both countries.
The US-based SITE monitoring service said on Friday that the confirmation of Mansoor’s death came in a video statement by Ahmad Farooq, al Qaida’s head of media and preaching in Pakistan. The video was released on an Internet jihadist forum.
Local Taliban fighters previously said Mansoor was killed in the Feb. 9 strike, but there was no confirmation from the US or Pakistan. A militant video eulogizing the dead is considered the most reliable way of knowing when a top commander has been killed.
In the nine-minute video, which featured photos of Mansoor alive and dead, Farooq accused Pakistan of collaborating with the strikes.
”America is now more eagerly attacking the Pakistani government’s targets,” he said. ”The drone program is being run with the full consent, permission and cooperation of the Pakistani government.”
Source: US drone attacks kill 13 in South Waziristan | Provinces | DAWN.COM
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US drone attacks kill 13 in South Waziristan
PESHAWAR: Missiles fired from US drone aircrafts killed at least 13 people on Friday in the South Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border, DawnNews reported.
The missiles targeted a vehicle and a house in the Mandao district of South Waziristan, a rugged militant stronghold where the Pakistani army has staged offensives in the past, the officials said, giving no further details. The officials did not give their names because they were not authorized to speak to journalists.
It took place hours after al Qaida confirmed that a strike last month in North Waziristan killed one of its commanders _ a success in a CIA-led campaign, but a major source of tension plaguing the relationship between Washington and Islamabad.
The strikes, which began in earnest in 2008, have killed scores of militants, including foreign al Qaida members involved in plotting attacks on the West. Their frequency increased in 2010, when they hit militants widely seen as being proxies of the Pakistani army, causing friction between the US and Pakistan.
Fridays attack was the eight this year. In contrast, in 2010, there were more than 150 such strikes.
Faced with strong public anger over the drone attacks, Pakistani officials publicly condemn them as an unacceptable violation of sovereignty that boosts support for extremism. Privately, the program has long had some level of official sanction and even cooperation.
The confirmation of the death of militant commander Badr Mansoor is significant, because he was believed to be behind many of the suicide attacks that have killed scores of Pakistani civilians in recent years.
It could be used by supporters of the campaign in Washington and Islamabad as an example of how drone attacks benefit both countries.
The US-based SITE monitoring service said on Friday that the confirmation of Mansoors death came in a video statement by Ahmad Farooq, al Qaidas head of media and preaching in Pakistan. The video was released on an Internet jihadist forum.
Local Taliban fighters previously said Mansoor was killed in the Feb. 9 strike, but there was no confirmation from the US or Pakistan. A militant video eulogizing the dead is considered the most reliable way of knowing when a top commander has been killed.
In the nine-minute video, which featured photos of Mansoor alive and dead, Farooq accused Pakistan of collaborating with the strikes.
America is now more eagerly attacking the Pakistani governments targets, he said. The drone program is being run with the full consent, permission and cooperation of the Pakistani government.
Source: US drone attacks kill 13 in South Waziristan | Provinces | DAWN.COM
PESHAWAR: Missiles fired from US drone aircrafts killed at least 13 people on Friday in the South Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border, DawnNews reported.
The missiles targeted a vehicle and a house in the Mandao district of South Waziristan, a rugged militant stronghold where the Pakistani army has staged offensives in the past, the officials said, giving no further details. The officials did not give their names because they were not authorized to speak to journalists.
It took place hours after al Qaida confirmed that a strike last month in North Waziristan killed one of its commanders _ a success in a CIA-led campaign, but a major source of tension plaguing the relationship between Washington and Islamabad.
The strikes, which began in earnest in 2008, have killed scores of militants, including foreign al Qaida members involved in plotting attacks on the West. Their frequency increased in 2010, when they hit militants widely seen as being proxies of the Pakistani army, causing friction between the US and Pakistan.
Friday’s attack was the eight this year. In contrast, in 2010, there were more than 150 such strikes.
Faced with strong public anger over the drone attacks, Pakistani officials publicly condemn them as an unacceptable violation of sovereignty that boosts support for extremism. Privately, the program has long had some level of official sanction and even cooperation.
The confirmation of the death of militant commander Badr Mansoor is significant, because he was believed to be behind many of the suicide attacks that have killed scores of Pakistani civilians in recent years.
It could be used by supporters of the campaign in Washington and Islamabad as an example of how drone attacks benefit both countries.
The US-based SITE monitoring service said on Friday that the confirmation of Mansoor’s death came in a video statement by Ahmad Farooq, al Qaida’s head of media and preaching in Pakistan. The video was released on an Internet jihadist forum.
Local Taliban fighters previously said Mansoor was killed in the Feb. 9 strike, but there was no confirmation from the US or Pakistan. A militant video eulogizing the dead is considered the most reliable way of knowing when a top commander has been killed.
In the nine-minute video, which featured photos of Mansoor alive and dead, Farooq accused Pakistan of collaborating with the strikes.
”America is now more eagerly attacking the Pakistani government’s targets,” he said. ”The drone program is being run with the full consent, permission and cooperation of the Pakistani government.”
Source: US drone attacks kill 13 in South Waziristan | Provinces | DAWN.COM
---------- Post added at 09:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:37 AM ----------
US drone attacks kill 13 in South Waziristan
PESHAWAR: Missiles fired from US drone aircrafts killed at least 13 people on Friday in the South Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border, DawnNews reported.
The missiles targeted a vehicle and a house in the Mandao district of South Waziristan, a rugged militant stronghold where the Pakistani army has staged offensives in the past, the officials said, giving no further details. The officials did not give their names because they were not authorized to speak to journalists.
It took place hours after al Qaida confirmed that a strike last month in North Waziristan killed one of its commanders _ a success in a CIA-led campaign, but a major source of tension plaguing the relationship between Washington and Islamabad.
The strikes, which began in earnest in 2008, have killed scores of militants, including foreign al Qaida members involved in plotting attacks on the West. Their frequency increased in 2010, when they hit militants widely seen as being proxies of the Pakistani army, causing friction between the US and Pakistan.
Fridays attack was the eight this year. In contrast, in 2010, there were more than 150 such strikes.
Faced with strong public anger over the drone attacks, Pakistani officials publicly condemn them as an unacceptable violation of sovereignty that boosts support for extremism. Privately, the program has long had some level of official sanction and even cooperation.
The confirmation of the death of militant commander Badr Mansoor is significant, because he was believed to be behind many of the suicide attacks that have killed scores of Pakistani civilians in recent years.
It could be used by supporters of the campaign in Washington and Islamabad as an example of how drone attacks benefit both countries.
The US-based SITE monitoring service said on Friday that the confirmation of Mansoors death came in a video statement by Ahmad Farooq, al Qaidas head of media and preaching in Pakistan. The video was released on an Internet jihadist forum.
Local Taliban fighters previously said Mansoor was killed in the Feb. 9 strike, but there was no confirmation from the US or Pakistan. A militant video eulogizing the dead is considered the most reliable way of knowing when a top commander has been killed.
In the nine-minute video, which featured photos of Mansoor alive and dead, Farooq accused Pakistan of collaborating with the strikes.
America is now more eagerly attacking the Pakistani governments targets, he said. The drone program is being run with the full consent, permission and cooperation of the Pakistani government.
Source: US drone attacks kill 13 in South Waziristan | Provinces | DAWN.COM
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8 killed, 2 injured in South Waziristan drone strike
By Zulfiqar Ali
Published: March 13, 2012
Drone fired two missiles at a vehicle in an area between Birmal of South Waziristan and Shawal of North Waziristan. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
DERA ISMAIL KHAN: At least eight people were killed and two injured in a drone strike in South Waziristan on Tuesday.
A drone had fired two missiles at a vehicle in an area between Birmal tehsil of South Waziristan and Shawal of North Waziristan, an official of the political administration said.
The location has been identified as Uthghalai in South Waziristan.
There is no confirmation on the targets of the drone strike.
A drone strike on March 9 had killed at least 12 militants. A US drone had fired three missiles on a vehicle in the Shaktoi area of South Waziristan, which is a stronghold of militants belonging to Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan.
By Zulfiqar Ali
Published: March 13, 2012
Drone fired two missiles at a vehicle in an area between Birmal of South Waziristan and Shawal of North Waziristan. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
DERA ISMAIL KHAN: At least eight people were killed and two injured in a drone strike in South Waziristan on Tuesday.
A drone had fired two missiles at a vehicle in an area between Birmal tehsil of South Waziristan and Shawal of North Waziristan, an official of the political administration said.
The location has been identified as Uthghalai in South Waziristan.
There is no confirmation on the targets of the drone strike.
A drone strike on March 9 had killed at least 12 militants. A US drone had fired three missiles on a vehicle in the Shaktoi area of South Waziristan, which is a stronghold of militants belonging to Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan.
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Pakistan is like a open playground for US. They have made a mockery of pakistan's sovereignty.
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No Sir, Pakistan has made a mockery of Pakistan's sovereignty.
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gandhi cant be insulted....he himself was an insult....bisexual hag who loved killing sikhs.
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