US direly needed to preserve West Pakistan: Kissinger

[StormShadow]

Oh whats that below all your post the only martyr is FC 20? Dont you mean Mig21 also known as flying coffin I can see FC could be for flying coffin

He meant the "member fc-20" is the only martyr here.

 

[lem34]

He meant the "member fc-20" is the only martyr here.

But Flying Coffin sounds appropriate

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Well how did they manage with west Pakistan? They are more or less saying that they made great noises not to allow W Pakistan to fall. the converse is that they were not as bothered about E Pakistan

Check the posts by DBC, if i recall it was the American 7th fleet that escorted Pakistani prisoners of war back the West Pakistan.

The American 7th fleet was nuclear threat to India.

Oh whats that below all your post the only martyr is FC 20? Dont you mean Mig21 also known as flying coffin I can see FC could be for flying coffin

FC 20 was a member here in the forum , who died in a terror attack in your country. The forum seems to have removed the visitor messages on his profile which was once there (you can contact the webmaster to confirm ). I just put it in my signature to remind me in every post, no matter how cheaply the opponent speak about imaginary massacres, nuclear strike, children deaths etc, i shouldn't retaliate cheaply with respect to Human life, the member FC - 20 reminds me in reality people die and its horrible and sad thing.

 

[Kinetic]

What he is really saying is that we zionists want to use India as a launchpad against China , so forget that "i called your PM a B and that i called you indians as a Bastardous race" !

Is it natural or purposefully you understand the opposite thing? It says how US protected you through out the history. Now you talk about India? India and China are old enemies, we do not need US to make the enmity.

 

[lem34]

FC 20 was a member here in the forum , who died in a terror attack in your country. The forum seems to have removed the visitor messages on his profile which was once there (you can contact the webmaster to confirm ). I just put it in my signature to remind me in every post, no matter how cheaply the opponent speak about imaginary massacres, nuclear strike, children deaths etc, i shouldn't retaliate cheaply with respect to Human life, the member FC - 20 reminds me in reality people die and its horrible and sad thing.

Please accept my apology. I sometimes try to make a light hearted comment I did not realise the significance

 

[lem34]

Check the posts by DBC, if i recall it was the American 7th fleet that escorted Pakistani prisoners of war back the West Pakistan.

The American 7th fleet was nuclear threat to India.



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This article seeks to contribute a shift in the foreign policy of the U.S towards Pakistan due
to détente between America and the former Soviet Union during 1960s. It departs from the
exceptionalist perspectives which views that Pak-US relations were consistent with a
common goal to defeat communism. It explores the repercussions of the détente, Pak-India
wars of 1965 and 71 and the growing importance of India during Kennedy era. The article
argues that for balancing the US intimacy with India, Pakistan turned to China and thus the
misunderstandings multiplied. The essay also investigates the value of CENTO and
SEATO- the politics of alliances, which did not play any cementing factor to keep the allies
united. All such developments corresponded to the dismemberment of Pakistan in 1971.
The purpose of this essay is to give an analytical view of Pak- US relations between 1965
and 1971 Indo-Pak wars. To make it simpler, the essay is divided into three parts. First part
is related to Pakistan is alignment with US in quest of security. Second part gives a review
of how and why relations between two countries deteriorated during 1960s. Third and the
final part is about US role during 1971 crisis and drifting of allies.

http://pu.edu.pk/images/journal/csas/PDF/Shaheed Soherwordi 2.pdf

 

[Kinetic]

FC 20 was a member here in the forum , who died in a terror attack in your country. The forum seems to have removed the visitor messages on his profile which was once there (you can contact the webmaster to confirm ). I just put it in my signature to remind me in every post, no matter how cheaply the opponent speak about imaginary massacres, nuclear strike, children deaths etc, i shouldn't retaliate cheaply with respect to Human life, the member FC - 20 reminds me in reality people die and its horrible and sad thing.

Didn't know that. RIP. Really feeling bad.

 

[lem34]

Didn't know that. RIP. Really feeling bad.

me 2..... don't know what to say for once

 

[deckingraj]

Well how did they manage with west Pakistan? They are more or less saying that they made great noises not to allow W Pakistan to fall. the converse is that they were not as bothered about E Pakistan

You cannot be more wrong on this...In other words diplomacy is very tricky subject and you need to look at it with open mind...there is no black and white in diplomacy...period!!

As said Russia and India had inked a pact just before 71...With millions of refugees pouring into India from east pakistan complemented with inaction of International community, India had a perfect case to attack and set the matters right...However what logic did they have to attack and capture West Pakistan??? On what face Russians would have been able to support our case?? So the instructions even from Ruskies were clear to us...Don't cross the line...In fact there are many accounts which confirms that Russians had told our people that they are no longer going to use their veto power should there be another UN resolution....

In short USA did try to help Pakistan however their help was offset by Russsia...They even tried to get China involved however to no avail...I mean why would China go for a war with Russia which yankees were avoiding at the first place...However everyone(including Russia) were on same page as far as West Pakistan was concerned.

 

[King Solomon]

To be honest, at that time Pakistan was very vulnerable. USSR supplied India with so much weapons and tech that if India wished it could take over West Pakistan with some effort. Or at least the Pakistan's part of Kashmir quite easily.

Ultimately, it was USSR who broke Pakistan in 1971, not really "India". India acted no more than a proxy for USSR.

Pakistan got its revenge later on through the Afghan war, which destroyed USSR's economy and left communism without solid foundation, as a result of which USSR balkanized in 1991.

 

[Baby Leone]

soo now indians will beleive to those who called them Bastards

just cz he is saying something which suits indians...haha


soo in the end indians bow down to US orders of not to attack west Pakistan?

 

[deckingraj]

To be honest, at that time Pakistan was very vulnerable. USSR supplied India with so much weapons and tech that if India wished it could take over West Pakistan with some effort. Or at least the Pakistan's part of Kashmir quite easily.

Ultimately, it was USSR who broke Pakistan in 1971, not really "India". India acted no more than a proxy for USSR.

Pakistan got its revenge later on through the Afghan war, which destroyed USSR's economy and left communism without solid foundation, as a result of which USSR balkanized in 1991.

Bold parts are nothing but loads of bull sh1t..i wanted to debunk the claims but your statements are so obnoxious that i chose not to...Keep living in your la-la-la land!!!

 

[Rig Vedic]

soo in the end indians bow down to US orders of not to attack west Pakistan?

To be frank what actually happened was that the US sent an urgent message to the Soviets that West Pakistan was a red line for the US. The Soviets then conveyed that message to India. So what saved West Pakistan was the Soviet influence on India plus the fact that India did not want to directly confront the US.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Please accept my apology. I sometimes try to make a light hearted comment I did not realise the significance

Don't have to apologize for anything, you didn't do nothing wrong

This article seeks to contribute a shift in the foreign policy of the U.S towards Pakistan due
to détente between America and the former Soviet Union during 1960s. It departs from the
exceptionalist perspectives which views that Pak-US relations were consistent with a
common goal to defeat communism. It explores the repercussions of the détente, Pak-India
wars of 1965 and 71 and the growing importance of India during Kennedy era. The article
argues that for balancing the US intimacy with India, Pakistan turned to China and thus the
misunderstandings multiplied. The essay also investigates the value of CENTO and
SEATO- the politics of alliances, which did not play any cementing factor to keep the allies
united. All such developments corresponded to the dismemberment of Pakistan in 1971.
The purpose of this essay is to give an analytical view of Pak- US relations between 1965
and 1971 Indo-Pak wars. To make it simpler, the essay is divided into three parts. First part
is related to Pakistan is alignment with US in quest of security. Second part gives a review
of how and why relations between two countries deteriorated during 1960s. Third and the
final part is about US role during 1971 crisis and drifting of allies.

http://pu.edu.pk/images/journal/csas/PDF/Shaheed Soherwordi 2.pdf

i"ll have to read through that.

 

[lem34]

To be frank what actually happened was that the US sent an urgent message to the Soviets that West Pakistan was a red line for the US. The Soviets then conveyed that message to India. So what saved West Pakistan was the Soviet influence on India plus the fact that India did not want to directly confront the US.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make. If they could make West Pakistan a red line they could have with East Pakistan as well