Henry Kissinger meets China’s defence minister in surprise visit to Beijing

[MH.Yang]

The danger is not the two principals getting into a war, but one principal and one more proxies.

Xi needs an off ramp and some time to fix the economy. A couple years at least. Both sides know they are building up their militaries, so this is just a pause or detente.

From our Chinese perspective, the American has played all his cards and we have not been hurt too much. So why are we in a hurry to reconcile with the US?
It's the bullets that aren't fired that are the deterrent.

The U.S. govt says their inflation is down to 3%, ask the U.S. members of the PDF if they themselves believe that figure.
And our economic growth has returned to 6.3 percent in the second quarter, and it's returning at a rate that's visible to the naked eye after the outbreak embargo was lifted. The gods of time are on our side.
In the first half of this year, the U.S. govt revenue is lower by 10%, and the interest paid on the national debt in the first half of the year has exceeded 652 billion U.S. dollars, which is close to the U.S. military expenditures.
Our only response to the USA is that we will utilize the scale of our industry to expand nuclear weapons at a rate that will shock the USA until it outnumbers the USA nuclear arsenal.

 

[Communism]

You think USA is ruled by emotions of neocons and populists.

I think USA is ruled by cold reasoning of smart people, likely bankers.

I have personal knowledge that the "U.S. Bankers" were not in favor of the type of sanctions on Russia that were imposed.


The demise of the dollar is now set in stone, with only Time as the variable.

 

[ARMalik]

The real Power holders of the West, the Jewish mafia, have sent Kissinger to China. I hope these idiots in China know that if they even give any concession to this 100 year old bastrd, it is ALL OVER FOR CHINA !

 

[OIO]

For China, it is best the United States gradually declines and there is no war between China and the United States.

 

[FuturePAF]

From our Chinese perspective, the American has played all his cards and we have not been hurt too much. So why are we in a hurry to reconcile with the US?
It's the bullets that aren't fired that are the deterrent.

The U.S. govt says their inflation is down to 3%, ask the U.S. members of the PDF if they themselves believe that figure.
And our economic growth has returned to 6.3 percent in the second quarter, and it's returning at a rate that's visible to the naked eye after the outbreak embargo was lifted. The gods of time are on our side.
In the first half of this year, the U.S. govt revenue is lower by 10%, and the interest paid on the national debt in the first half of the year has exceeded 652 billion U.S. dollars, which is close to the U.S. military expenditures.
Our only response to the USA is that we will utilize the scale of our industry to expand nuclear weapons at a rate that will shock the USA until it outnumbers the USA nuclear arsenal.

Considering how entrenched both sides are, nothing is going to happened that either side will acknowledge, hence why Kissinger went, but do you think publicly this meeting is about Russia?

 

[OIO]

Considering how entrenched both sides are, nothing is going to happened that either side will acknowledge, hence why Kissinger went, but do you think publicly this meeting is about Russia?

Should have covered all issues.

The highest goal is to get China to surrender.

The minimum goal is for the US to make no concessions but ask China to restore military communications. In this way, the U.S. military can continue to provoke but control the risk.

 

[MH.Yang]

Considering how entrenched both sides are, nothing is going to happened that either side will acknowledge, hence why Kissinger went, but do you think publicly this meeting is about Russia?

The Russian issue is not worth Kissinger's personal visit to China.

Kissinger's influence in China is a valuable political asset that the U.S. government possesses, and it is not worth expending on Russia.

Kissinger came for the dollar system.

 

[aziqbal]

Man this guy was like retirement age when Nixon visited

Imagine the secrets he knows

 

[FuturePAF]

The Russian issue is not worth Kissinger's personal visit to China.

Kissinger's influence in China is a valuable political asset that the U.S. government possesses, and it is not worth expending on Russia.

Kissinger came for the dollar system.

Interesting hypothesis and sounds plausible

Should have covered all issues.

The highest goal is to get China to surrender.

The minimum goal is for the US to make no concessions but ask China to restore military communications. In this way, the U.S. military can continue to provoke but control the risk.

They can’t expect China to surrender and it’s unlikely Kissinger would have asked for something like that. Some kind of detente is what Kissinger is know for advocating.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Kissinger the wild boar must have said if you choose to ignore russia and allow usa nato complete their job of balkanization of eastern europe. Then china will be rewarded with contracts from west to rebuild eastern europe plus some land, that russia has taken from china in the past. So what do you say Premier xi?, oh by the way thanks for duck rooast i surely enjoyed it. What kissinger doesnt know is the chinese have prepared the rooast from rats, captured just outside the embassey and fed kissinger.

 

[OIO]

They can’t expect China to surrender and it’s unlikely Kissinger would have asked for something like that. Some kind of detente is what Kissinger is know for advocating.

You can't understand Americans with normal human thinking.

Americans are very surprised why the Chinese have not surrendered, and Americans are very surprised why the Chinese are unwilling to sacrifice themselves to maintain the hegemony of the United States.

Americans are used to their hegemony.

 

[fitpOsitive]

This guy is an angel of death. You accept his terms, you die. You don't accept his conditions, you die.

But let's see how these Chinese elite respond to it. Usually he comes with big big offer, but as you accept his offer, the last line you say : shit, what have I done. The best way to handle him is to give him a counter offer.. don't, I repeat, don't accept his offer, whatsoever.

 

[FuturePAF]

You can't understand Americans with normal human thinking.

Americans are very surprised why the Chinese have not surrendered, and Americans are very surprised why the Chinese are unwilling to sacrifice themselves to maintain the hegemony of the United States.

Americans are used to their hegemony.

I think I’m an American with normal thinking. What you probably mean are Cold War hawk mindset, and while I know a couple of those kinds of people, they are just preparing if China makes a mistake, the way the Soviets did to themselves.

They key is not to give up on diversification via the BRI. It’s both global economic and political buffer space for China. BRI can also help with the demographic problem, vis a vi putting Chinese factories and part of the value added chain in nations that are built up to be friendly.

 

[OIO]

I think I’m an American with normal thinking. What you probably mean are Cold War hawk mindset, and while I know a couple of those kinds of people, they are just preparing if China makes a mistake, the way the Soviets did to themselves.

They key is not to give up on diversification via the BRI. It’s both global economic and political buffer space for China. BRI can also help with the demographic problem, vis a vi putting Chinese factories and part of the value added chain in nations that are built up to be friendly.

The thinking of the winner of the Cold War, or the thinking of the only superpower.

 

[FuturePAF]

The thinking of the winner of the Cold War, or the thinking of the only superpower.

The US policy making community is now firmly out of seeing itself as the only superpower. It’s an aspiration to achieve once again for many of them, but they know the next generation or two is firmly going to be about competition. Why two generations; demographics.