'US didn't see any reason for India to have 5,500-km range missiles'

[SrNair]

Pakistan should invite Indian soldiers to cross the border to get some food. Indian soldiers are human beings as well and someone need to treat them as humans.

Hey Nanking Man .How about Japanese food ?

Just less than a century ago India was invaded entirely by Europeans, colonized and looted...while Chinese never ever came on shores of India with hostile intent..yet India plants for defense against China and nothing against Europeans..haha! 56 inch chest thumping!

Who told you that?
Agni 5 can already covers certain part of Europe

In reality you will face sanctions from U.N if you test more than 5000km. Sanctions will drag you right 15 years behind & disconnect from world.

I dont think so .AFAIK they already said Agni 5 has 5500km range and also revealed their intention for 6000 Km Agni 6.

So far noone sanctioned us. And even western strategists knows that 6000 is just a cover up .It would have near 10000km range .
In addition all of it will have K series SLBM

 

[kṣamā]

Do you even know the purpose of those fins? Have you ever done some research on them.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...35.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFXxTsC2mPt5KqqID3cXAVksR7UNQ

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/q0261.shtml

I would suggest going through these two links to update your knowledge about missile fins so that you don't get ridiculed when you mention this again.

You can keep on ranting about modern day stuff and giving me example of ICBM's that would have totally different profile and employment but until you read the purpose of those fins, you are never going to understand; so it's useless to argue with you on this.

Ok sunshine, tell me what are they used for? Control surface? Stability? Aerodynamic lift? or Antenas?

Also you are quoting reasons for having fins on short range missiles as a justification for having fins on a ballistic missile.

There is a reason why the world over everyone has diched fins from their missiles. Everyone has moved on to thrust vectoring engines with gimbled exhaust vanes. Few may have vectored thrust by injecting liquid fuel insides of the engine motor. Even SRBs have their nozels mounted with hydraulic actuators which can move the nozzel in a 2D plane. Jet wanes do provide some degree of thrust vectoring but they do not provide same degree of control over the vessel.
Thrust vectoring is ot only more advance than fins they are much more reliable. Fins work only when they have supersonic air over them. But during take off or in outter space they are of no use whereas thrust vectoring nozzels can save the day.

 

[RealNapster]

who gave permission to US and European countries to act as global police,we will do what ever that is in our national interest

i am neither US nor Europe. do whatever you want. don't complain me.

MTCR clearly states Pak does not have the critical missile tech to do have any such successes.

Said it. ?

Now feeling relaxed ?

OK. move on.

 

[ShoutB]

This is 2017
this report is 1990

things have changed a lot since then. India already has 6000km range missile. And no one would utter except for Pakistan & China

 

[jaydee]

Ok come on you guys need to teach us how you guys deduce that "MIRV CAPABLE" in ISPR press release means "We are world leader in MIRV tech, India's BMD neutralized" but a Nuclear capable missile without sound guidance doesn't mean Failure.

Knock knock.
Wake up it is 2017.
You seem Stuck in 90's.
The missiles are multiple guided now.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Or even the people that defend our own country lolView attachment 373226

Is it just a small snack between real meals or what? The reason I am asking is that the food quantity looks so less considering the huge physique of the soldiers!

 

[DesiWarrior]

U.N. is a powerless tea coffee club.

And you guys are bending over backwards to get a permanent seat in the security council of this same UN; please have some coherent stance on at least something.

MTCR clearly states Pak does not have the critical missile tech to do have any such successes.

First of all, how MTCR knows about the classified R&D and capabilities of a country that doesn't just chest thumping like India. Secondly, show me where MTCR states that Pak doesn't have critical missile technology? Another retard country men of yours used the same arguments couple of weeks ago and I asked him to show me where what he was claiming included in the MTCR document he was referring to and as usual the if and but but no proof.

What do u mean by multiple guided??

Any way what sort guidance system is used on your missile?? Where is the rocket motor developed in Pakistan ??


You can make fool of urself as long as you can but not others

Now another one, who were you before getting banned.

 

[DesiWarrior]

Cut the crap if can't answer its okk

We don't need to answer arm chair analysts of a country whose missiles mostly turn to other direction of intended target, what do you call that kind of guidance technology.

Now, if you are learned enough to actually read on the internet, go look what sort of technology Babur has for it's guidance and then go take a dip in a pond if you have one close by where you live.

 

[ShoutB]

We don't need to answer arm chair analysts of a country whose missiles mostly turn to other direction of intended target, what do you call that kind of guidance technology.

Now, if you are learned enough to actually read on the internet, go look what sort of technology Babur has for it's guidance and then go take a dip in a pond if you have one close by where you live.

The guidence is developed by chinese. Pakistan is still struggling to learn 1st generation transistor based guidence circuit because you do not have capability to produce fast enough supercomputation that is used in missile technology.

 

[DesiWarrior]

Sir I am not arm chair analyst I know the subject very well, I am an engineer I know what I am talking ( I am not expecting u to believe it any way )
As u have mentioned babur its claimed by Pakistan that it can fly in turrain hugging mode, sir its not as easy as u think, inertial guidance system alone don't work you need a second reference in the form of satellite guidance( that's why a circular probability error is kept on GPS signal) or 3 d up to date map to the target location , both of which u lack

What sort of engineer are you? I have no reason to doubt that you are an engineer but it doesn't mean all engineers know the intricacies of guidance systems as well as the aerodynamic characteristics of high speed flying objects.

By the way I am an engineer myself and when I say something, I do know what I am talking about.

Your countrymen used to mock our nuclear capabilities before our nuclear tests just like you guys who are expert at nothing but jack of all trades now say ridiculous things about our missiles capabilities.

Sir with due respect I dought ur countries capabilities

Now please look at this sentence and tell me should I doubt your credentials as an engineer or my country's ability to produce stuff that you see in tests routinely.

Sir we do experience some failure in our test, their is no shame in that

Failures do happen when you build stuff but when you think of yourself as super humans and out of this world and you try to mock others, then all your failures show the world where do you actually stand.

You guys keep talking about Pakistan's missiles as if we have imported them, painted them and named them and keep testing them just to fulfill our ego's without giving any thought about many organizations and thousands of people who are involved in these efforts who are simply brilliant and very talented people. Until you guys realize this, you'll keep getting shocked every time we come up with something new.

 

[bloo]

And you guys are bending over backwards to get a permanent seat in the security council of this same UN; please have some coherent stance on at least something.


First of all, how MTCR knows about the classified R&D and capabilities of a country that doesn't just chest thumping like India. Secondly, show me where MTCR states that Pak doesn't have critical missile technology? Another retard country men of yours used the same arguments couple of weeks ago and I asked him to show me where what he was claiming included in the MTCR document he was referring to and as usual the if and but but no proof.


Now another one, who were you before getting banned.

Not that shtick again.
http://mtcr.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_ENG.pdf

If pakistan really had these critical tech, you lot would have flaunted it already. Be it in defence expos or in a museum or whatever
Not a pistol is left unpraised in Pak.

Again, the fact is Pakistan has had near zero failures, if the most advanced countries can fail profusely what makes Pak so different?
It is just nigh-impossible for a country like Pakistan with a nascent manufacturing and R&D capacity to have no failures, and deep down even you pakistanis know of it, though you won't admit it, at the least not in front of Indians i.e.

i am neither US nor Europe. do whatever you want. don't complain me.




Said it. ?

Now feeling relaxed ?

OK. move on.

Oh what's that?
Haven't had your truth pill yet?

Look above.

 

[DesiWarrior]

Not that shtick again.
http://mtcr.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_ENG.pdf

If pakistan really had these critical tech, you lot would have flaunted it already. Be it in defence expos or in a museum or whatever
Not a pistol is left unpraised in Pak.

Again, the fact is Pakistan has had near zero failures, if the most advanced countries can fail profusely what makes Pak so different?
It is just nigh-impossible for a country like Pakistan with a nascent manufacturing and R&D capacity to have no failures, and deep down even you pakistanis know of it, though you won't admit it, at the least not in front of Indians i.e.



Oh what's that?
Haven't had your truth pill yet?

Look above.

You are not that retard but this is exactly the same document that he mentioned. First of all, this document was published in 2010 which in itself 7 years old and Pakistan's program has advanced a lot in these 7 years but still show me where this document says "Pakistan doesn't have the capability to develop missiles"? Do you guys even read before posting shit?

The guidence is developed by chinese. Pakistan is still struggling to learn 1st generation transistor based guidence circuit because you do not have capability to produce fast enough supercomputation that is used in missile technology.

Ignorant fools like you can't accept what Pakistan is capable of; keep living in your delusional world.

 

[bloo]

You are not that retard but this is exactly the same document that he mentioned. Now show me where this document says "Pakistan doesn't have the capability to develop missiles"? Do you guys even read before posting shit?


You are not that retard but this is exactly the same document that he mentioned. Now show me where this document says "Pakistan doesn't have the capability to "

Ignorant fools like you can't accept what Pakistan is capable of; keep living in your delusional world.

These are international forums where people of high repute convene and discuss important technical and geopolitical matters.
This is not the internet where people sling $hit and call each other names or say something so naive and simple as "Pakistan doesn't have the capability to develop missiles".

Look at each particular tech of a missile mentioned.
Just below, it shows which countries have the capability to produce it or no.
And Pak is mentioned very little in each of the subjects.

For example, engines.

 

[DesiWarrior]

These are international forums where people of high repute convene and discuss important technical and geopolitical matters.
This is not the internet where people sling $hit and call each other names or say something so naive and simple as "Pakistan doesn't have the capability to develop missiles".

Look at each particular tech of a missile mentioned.
Just below, it shows which countries have the capability to produce it or no.
And Pak is mentioned very little in each of the subjects.

For example, engines.

Keep harping on the same old shit if Pakistan is mentioned or not in a 7 year old document.

Did you notice Pakistan was mentioned under UCAV category where as India was not; feeling ashamed or not supa pawa.
Our missiles work, our technologies work and when they will be fired, you guys know where it would hit; this is the reason all so called experts of India are here on a Pakistani forum commenting on Pakistan's capabilities.

I am an ECE Engineer
And I work in a satellite development project am I am very well familiar with the avionics and guidance systems

I didn't mean to insult any body or country
To have the capability that Pakistan is claiming to have u need a lot of infrastructure
In the case of babur missile to make it fly to its target in turrain hugging mode u need to insert a lot of data into the data base of the on board guidance computer, and then u need error correction in flight

Data entered on to the on board computer includes prominent land marks which act as way points to the missile. To have it u need a detailed 3d map of the enemy terrain, to make this map u need terrain mapping satellite or a aircraft with aperture radar both of which Pakistan don't have and for error correction u need ur own satellite navigation system in place
That's why India developed irnss

India developed shit, stop this ranting here.
You mean to say that if a country doesn't have navigational satellites or doesn't have SAR capability, it can't acquire the data from other sources? What world are you living in? Do you even know the capabilities of our AWACS fleet?

You need to learn a lot before commenting here; you are just wasting a lot of bandwidth here.

 

[DesiWarrior]

From which other source ??

To gather that kind of intel u need a satellite with synthetic aperture radar to be exactly. Indian attained this capability back in 2012, no country will allow other nation to gather that sort of Intel on them, only way of doing it is from space using satellite such as risat

@DesiWarrior
Sir be cool I didn't mean to down play Pakistan's capability, ur a very capable nation
I am just putting forward some tech facts
If I am wrong u can establish it by facts

Now if India has SAR technology, you would start thinking there is no other way to map territory? As I said earlier, our AWACS has a lot of features that you guys just overlook either out of arrogance or ignorance. We also have couple of other aerial platforms with SAR plus we do have imagery and other important data required for sensitive technologies available from other sources that is not important to reveal here.