US describes India as a responsible N-state

[Abhishek_]

Khan A. Sufyan is a Lahore-based defence analyst.

Khan A. Sufyan - Eurasia Review

Its interesting how in their open profiles, these guys avoid the use of the word Pakistan and obscure it with the use of South Asia

mega fail

 

[Android]

Finally Pakistan and China could not digest Agni V sucessful test....after 2 day their smelly fart is coming out in PDF

I am loving this....

but i am hating this its getting quite stinky

 

[notsuperstitious]

Its doesn't take the US to state the obvious. Not just the US but various other Asian and European states (Korea, Japan, Kazhakstan, France, UK, Russia etc) have lined up to sign nuclear cooperation deals with India, this is because we are a responsible state.

When father of our bomb ''single handedly'' (wink wink) sells nuclear know how to parriah countries around the world, and then in the mean time an adventourus commando has taken over my country, and then when the father of the bomb is exposed the commando calls him a hero and pardons him and says case closed, and then it turns out that other seniormost nuclear scientist is giving religious lectures on how proliferation is good and will actually help bring the judgement day and researches on how the country's energy problems can be resolved by harnessing energy from djins and when our senior nuclear scientists are caught hobnobbing with al qaida, then yes, we will cease to be a responsible nuclear state and become a failed one.

I think thats a fair definition, thanks for providing that pakistanis, it was nice debating with you on the issue.

I must add, none of the butthurt idiots are telling us why india is not a responsible nuclear state instead making inane comments that suit their upbringing, but not a discussion.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

they did the same with you in 70s and 80s and you benefitted a lot from that now its our turn to have a piece of cake

Really? what did we benefit from them against India?

And now tell me what is your piece of cake...more likely you will get a piece of burden to carry

 

[Android]

Really? what did we benefit from them against India?
And now tell me what is your piece of cake...more likely you will get a piece of burden to carry

i meant against ussr
by piece of cake i meant nuclear deal, their bounty on hafiz saeed, they even offered us to participate on jsf program and several others

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Finally Pakistan and China could not digest Agni V sucessful test....after 2 day their smelly fart is coming out in PDF

I am loving this....

...let see who will have last laugh...your Agni V is just over-rated: patched with foreign components, consider youself a honor if the press button guy of this missile is not Russian...LMAO

 

[lem34]

Khan A. Sufyan is a Lahore-based defence analyst.

Khan A. Sufyan - Eurasia Review

Its interesting how in their open profiles, these guys avoid the use of the word Pakistan and obscure it with the use of South Asia

Why do you Indians lie by exclusion your former diplomat said the same thing. You are a proxy end of

 

[Sergi]

...let see who will have last laugh...your Agni V is just over-rated: patched with foreign components, consider youself a honor if the press button guy of this missile is not Russian...LMAO

Ok before getting in trolling business would you mind answering post #100 ?

 

[lem34]

Can't believe you actually posted something logical.



I'm a guy.



Completely agree with the entire article.

If you do then you wont be selective, If you are guy why are you so timid. More timid than Indians normally

Why you Indians ignoring this article by an Indian diplomat??

And now an article not just by an Indian but a former Indian Diplomat who knows a bit more than the internet Indian muppets here:

Dai Bingguo heading for Islamabad


Francis Fukuyama wrote a sequel to his celebrated book The End of History and the Last Man (1992) no sooner than he realised that he was hopelessly wrong in his prediction that the global triumph of political and economic liberalism was at hand. He wrote: “What we may be witnessing is not just the end of the Cold War, or the crossing of a particular period of postwar history, but the end of history as such… That is, the end point of mankind’s ideological evolution and the universalization of Western democracy as the final form of human government.” But in no time he realised his rush to judgment and he retracted with another book.

However, unlike the celebrated American neocon thinker, Indian foreign policy thinkers who were heavily influenced by his 1992 thesis are yet to retract. The Indian discourses through the 1990s drew heavily from Fukuyama to throw overboard the scope for reinventing or reinterpreting ‘non-alignment’ in the post-Cold War setting and came to a rapid judgment that Russia belonged to the dustbin of history. Our discourses never really got updated despite Fukumaya’s own retraction.

Indeed, western commentators also fuelled the consequent sense of insecurity in Delhi through the 1990s by endorsing that India would never have a ‘Russia option’ again and Boris Yeltsin’s Russia itself was inexorably becoming an ‘ally’ of the west — and, therefore, what alternative is there for India but to take to the New American Century project? Remember the drama of the Bill Clinton administration arm-twisting Yeltsin not to give to India the cryogentic engines?

In sum, India got entrapped in a ‘unipolar predicament’. The best elucidation of this self-invited predicament has been the masterly work titled Crossing the Rubicon by Raja Mohan, which was of course widely acclaimed in the US. While releasing the book at a function in Delhi, the then National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra even admitted that India’s main foreign policy challenge was somehow to engage the US’s “attention”.

Russia, of course, went on to prove our pundits completely wrong. Russia remerged as a global player and the evidence of it is today spread (and is poised to expand) all across global theatres — Libya, Syria, Iran, Central Asia, Afghanistan, etc.
Why I am underscoring all this is that I am strongly reminded of that sad chapter in the recent history of India’s foreign policy when I see the huge ‘psywar’ being let loose on Pakistan currently when that country too is at a crossroads with regard to its future policy directions in a highly volatile external enviornment.

In Pakistan’s case, the ‘psywar’ substitutes Russia with China. The US’s ‘Track II’ thesis is that China is hopelessly marooned in its own malaise so much so that it has no time, interest or resources to come to Pakistan’s aid, the two countries’ ‘all-weather friendship’ notwithstanding. Let me cull out two fine pieces of this ongoing ‘psywar’.

One is the lengthy article featured by America’s prestigious flag-carrier Foreign Affairs magazine in early December titled “China’s Pakistan conundrum”. Its argument is: ‘China will not simply bail out Pakistan with loans, investment, and aid, as those watching the deterioration of US-Pakistani relations seem to expect. China will pursue politics, security, and geopolitical advantage regardless of Islamabad’s preferences’. It puts forth the invidious argument that China’s real use for Pakistan is only to “box out New Delhi in Afghanistan and the broader region.”

Alongside the argument is the highly-tendentious vector that is beyond easy verification, namely, that US and China are increasingly ‘coordinating’ their policies toward Pakistan. Diplomacy is part dissimulation and we simply don’t know whether the US and China are even anywhere near beginning to ‘coordinate’ about ‘coordinating’ their regional policies in South Asia, especially with regard to Pakistan (and Afghanistan). The odds are that while the US and China may have some limited convergent interests, conceivably, their strategic interests are most certainly in sharp conflict.

A milder version of this frontal attack by US pundits on Pakistan’s existential dilemma appears in Michael Krepon’s article last week titled ‘Pakistan’s Patrons’, which, curiously, counsels Islamabad to follow India’s foreign-policy footsteps and make up with the US. Krepon literally suggests that the Pakistanis are living in a fool’s paradise.

The obvious thrust of this ‘psywar’ — strikingly similar to what India was subjected to in the 1990s — is that Pakistan has no option but to fall in line with the US regional strategies, as it has no real ‘China option’. The main difference between India and Pakistan is that the foreign policy elites in Islamabad — unlike their Indian counterparts — are not inclined to buy into the US argument with a willing suspension of disbelief. In a way, the Sino-Pakistan relationship is proving once again to be resilient. Pakistan is in no mood to get into a ‘unipolar predicament’, as the Indian elites willingly did in the 1990s.

Thus, the visit by the Chinese delegation led by State Councilor, Dai Bingguo to Islamabad at this point in time assumes much significance. Dai is one of the highest-ranking figures in the Chinese foreign-policy establishment and the fact he is leading a delegation that includes of senior Chinese military officials is very significant. Dai is scheduled to meet not only Pakistan’s political leadership at the highest level but also army chief Ashfaq Kayani and ISI head Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

Obviously, Beijing is making a big point through the timing of this visit as well, which, incidentally, is taking place at a time of great uncertainties in Pakistan’s internal affairs. When it comes to relations with China, it must be assumed that Pakistan’s civil and military leaderships are together.

Dai doesn’t really have a US counterpart as he is ranked above the FM. Arguably, it would be secretary of state Hillary Clinton. If so, to what extent Dai ‘coordinated’ his proposed visit with Clinton will be of particular interest. The future of the US’s ‘psywar’ on Pakistan is at stake.

The big question is whether this would be Dai’s last major trip to South Asia, as he is a key member of President Hu Jintao’s team and China is moving into a period of transition at the leadership level. Dai’s visit to Delhi for the Special Representatives meet was called off at the last minute.
Posted in Diplomacy, Politics.

Tagged with China-Pakistan, US-China, US-India, US-Pakistan, US-Russia.

By M K Bhadrakumar – December 23, 2011

Dai Bingguo heading for Islamabad - Indian Punchline

For those of you that can not understand geo political strategy it means India is a proxy unlike Pakistan. I expect a lot of you will have problems swallowing that but hey there you go that is as it is

 

[Sergi]

If you do then you wont be selective, If you are guy why are you so timid. More timid than Indians normally

Why you Indians ignoring this article by an Indian diplomat??

Ya army of timids make your one country two and held 90000 prisoners. Too much for brave people here

 

[Abhishek_]

Why do you Indians lie by exclusion your former diplomat said the same thing. You are a proxy end of

do you ever wonder why your sources always come from B grade websites?

 

[Hobo1]

Only country which can be confered this title is CHINA.
And for obvious reason and which being , it is China which is reasponible for creation of world's two most responible nuclear states, first happens to be Pakistan and other being North Korea.(actually a nuclear nation in the making )

 

[karan.1970]

Why do you Indians lie by exclusion your former diplomat said the same thing. You are a proxy end of

We lie much less than Pakistanis... Crtl - F "Proxy" in the said article.. 0 items found..

Capital Fail

 

[ramu]

For those of you that can not understand geo political strategy it means India is a proxy unlike Pakistan. I expect a lot of you will have problems swallowing that but hey there you go that is as it is

You have not understood the article yourself as your interpretation is clearly out of place. You use sentences selectively, including status in 90s to draw a conclusion that is not even remotely what the author is trying to suggest. The current reality is that India takes a stand if it is in its interest. Period.

Example :

1. Iran
2. Nuclear deal and policy for liability
3. Visa fee issue
4 ....

So just smell the coffee.

 

[karan.1970]

-------nvm-----