US delivered 64 military vehicles for the Pakistan army

[TaimiKhan]

So which vehicles were sent?

MRAPs. Buddy read the discussion above. Its very clear.

 

[muhammadali233]

So which vehicles were sent?

Pakistan army doesn't likes to disclose what it bought and inducted,so these are all just guesses.There are 3 vehicles america manufactures m113/mraps/ifvs.IFV's are not available,we manufacture better version of m113 so MRAP is the best guess as we already operate them and what we need the most.

 

[ZAC1]

160 already now 66 new ones : 222 good numbers

 

[Beny Karachun]

Pakistan army doesn't likes to disclose what it bought and inducted,so these are all just guesses.There are 3 vehicles america manufactures m113/mraps/ifvs.IFV's are not available,we manufacture better version of m113 so MRAP is the best guess as we already operate them and what we need the most.

1. Which IFV?
2. What better version do you manufacture?

 

[Moon]

1. Which IFV?
2. What better version do you manufacture?

Al-Hamza IFV....

 

[Pandora]

1. Which IFV?
2. What better version do you manufacture?

Armoured personnel carriers (APC)[edit]

• Talha - APC based on M113 chassis with 5 road wheels, accommodates 11 fully equipped troops. 250 delivered to the Pakistan Army by 2006.[5]
• Saad - APC based on the Talha design. Modified with extended hull and 6 road wheels, 14.5 mm machine gun, improved armour protection and a more powerful engine supplied by Germany's MTU. Accommodates 13 fully equipped troops.
• Sakb - Armoured command vehicle based on Talha APC.[6]
• Al-Hamza - Infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) based on the Saad APC, fitted with 25 mm automatic cannon, an export product not in service with the Pakistan Army.[7]
• Armoured guided missile carriers:
  • Maaz - Based on the Talha APC, armed with the Baktar-Shikan anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) launcher and operated by a crew of 4. There is capacity for 8 extra rounds and the missile firing unit on the roof is retracted into the cabin for reloading.[8]
  • Mouz - Based on the Talha APC, armed with either the RBS 70 or Anza I/II air-defence missile systems. The missile firing unit on the roof is retracted into the cabin for reloading.[9]
• Auxiliary armoured vehicles
• Al-Hadeed - Armoured recovery vehicle (ARV) based on Saad APC.[10]
  • Al-Qaswa - Armoured logistics vehicle (ALV) based on the Talha APC.[11

 

[Beny Karachun]

Armoured personnel carriers (APC)[edit]

• Talha - APC based on M113 chassis with 5 road wheels, accommodates 11 fully equipped troops. 250 delivered to the Pakistan Army by 2006.[5]
• Saad - APC based on the Talha design. Modified with extended hull and 6 road wheels, 14.5 mm machine gun, improved armour protection and a more powerful engine supplied by Germany's MTU. Accommodates 13 fully equipped troops.
• Sakb - Armoured command vehicle based on Talha APC.[6]
• Al-Hamza - Infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) based on the Saad APC, fitted with 25 mm automatic cannon, an export product not in service with the Pakistan Army.[7]
• Armoured guided missile carriers:
  • Maaz - Based on the Talha APC, armed with the Baktar-Shikan anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) launcher and operated by a crew of 4. There is capacity for 8 extra rounds and the missile firing unit on the roof is retracted into the cabin for reloading.[8]
  • Mouz - Based on the Talha APC, armed with either the RBS 70 or Anza I/II air-defence missile systems. The missile firing unit on the roof is retracted into the cabin for reloading.[9]
• Auxiliary armoured vehicles
• Al-Hadeed - Armoured recovery vehicle (ARV) based on Saad APC.[10]
  • Al-Qaswa - Armoured logistics vehicle (ALV) based on the Talha APC.[11

Everything is based on the M113 APC, and we Israelis learned to hate it, We had 7 dead by an RPG that was fired to it, and this APC could actually be penetrated by 50cals.
We had many M113 versions, too.
the M163 Machbet, based on the M113, it have M61 Vulcan and stingers, and an automated fire control

• Bardehlas (Hebrew for cheetah) - Israeli designation of the M113 APC. The name is rarely used as the M113 is usually referred to as Nagmash (APC).
• • Zelda - Upgraded Bardehlas (M113) with Toga armor suite - perforated steel plates mounted on an external frame around the front and sides of the vehicle. There is also a special command version with additional radio equipment and an auxiliary power unit. The command version is usually referred to as Nagmash pikud (command APC).
  • • Classical or Zelda 2 - M113 equipped with reactive armor and armored shields around roof hatches. It was introduced in the mid-1990s and saw action in the Southern Lebanon security zone. The added weight of the armor led to limited mobility and reliability problems and the vehicle was eventually removed from service.
    • • Nagman - M113 equipped with Toga armor suite, a hexagonal superstructure around the commander's hatch and armored shields on the sides of the rear roof hatch.
      • • Kasman (Kesem ha-Mangina – The Charm of Music) - An urban warfare / counter insurgency version developed during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. Equipped with Toga armor suite and a large armored superstructure around the roof hatches.
      • Kasman Magen or Kasman Meshupar - Upgraded Kasman with a modified superstructure and external fuel tanks.
      • • Giraf - M113 with a TOW launcher.
        • • Hovet, also spelled Chovet - Israeli designation for the M163 VADS.
          • • Hatap, also spelled Chatap - A field repair vehicle for carrying spare parts and equipment specific to the vehicles it is tasked to support.
            • • Mugaf - Israeli designation of the M577 command post carrier.
              • • Alfa - Israeli designation of the M548 cargo carrier.
                • • Shilem - Unarmored vehicle equipped with EL-M-2310 radar for artillery forces.
                • M113 AMEV - Armored Medical Evacuation Vehicle. A specifically modified and equipped M113 for use as an armored ambulance.
                • • M113 HVMS - A prototype armed with a HVMS 60 mm gun in a turret.
                  • • M113 L-VAS - A prototype equipped with Light Vehicle Armour System (L-VAS).
                    • Urban Fighter - IMI developed modification, with upgraded "Iron Wall" armor, capable of repelling IED and EFP attacks
                      
                      • Keshet - 120 mm mortar carrier.
                    
                    
                  
                  
                
                
              
              
            
            

Armoured personnel carriers (APC)[edit]

• Talha - APC based on M113 chassis with 5 road wheels, accommodates 11 fully equipped troops. 250 delivered to the Pakistan Army by 2006.[5]
• Saad - APC based on the Talha design. Modified with extended hull and 6 road wheels, 14.5 mm machine gun, improved armour protection and a more powerful engine supplied by Germany's MTU. Accommodates 13 fully equipped troops.
• Sakb - Armoured command vehicle based on Talha APC.[6]
• Al-Hamza - Infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) based on the Saad APC, fitted with 25 mm automatic cannon, an export product not in service with the Pakistan Army.[7]
• Armoured guided missile carriers:
  • Maaz - Based on the Talha APC, armed with the Baktar-Shikan anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) launcher and operated by a crew of 4. There is capacity for 8 extra rounds and the missile firing unit on the roof is retracted into the cabin for reloading.[8]
  • Mouz - Based on the Talha APC, armed with either the RBS 70 or Anza I/II air-defence missile systems. The missile firing unit on the roof is retracted into the cabin for reloading.[9]
• Auxiliary armoured vehicles
• Al-Hadeed - Armoured recovery vehicle (ARV) based on Saad APC.[10]
  • Al-Qaswa - Armoured logistics vehicle (ALV) based on the Talha APC.[11

I have no idea why my comment went out so ugly.
But we are going to replace all of them with the Eitan next generation APC/IFV and many more missions.

 

[Pandora]

Everything is based on the M113 APC, and we Israelis learned to hate it, We had 7 dead by an RPG that was fired to it, and this APC could actually be penetrated by 50cals.
We had many M113 versions, too.
the M163 Machbet, based on the M113, it have M61 Vulcan and stingers, and an automated fire control

• Bardehlas (Hebrew for cheetah) - Israeli designation of the M113 APC. The name is rarely used as the M113 is usually referred to as Nagmash (APC).
• • Zelda - Upgraded Bardehlas (M113) with Toga armor suite - perforated steel plates mounted on an external frame around the front and sides of the vehicle. There is also a special command version with additional radio equipment and an auxiliary power unit. The command version is usually referred to as Nagmash pikud (command APC).
  • • Classical or Zelda 2 - M113 equipped with reactive armor and armored shields around roof hatches. It was introduced in the mid-1990s and saw action in the Southern Lebanon security zone. The added weight of the armor led to limited mobility and reliability problems and the vehicle was eventually removed from service.
    • • Nagman - M113 equipped with Toga armor suite, a hexagonal superstructure around the commander's hatch and armored shields on the sides of the rear roof hatch.
      • • Kasman (Kesem ha-Mangina – The Charm of Music) - An urban warfare / counter insurgency version developed during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. Equipped with Toga armor suite and a large armored superstructure around the roof hatches.
      • Kasman Magen or Kasman Meshupar - Upgraded Kasman with a modified superstructure and external fuel tanks.
      • • Giraf - M113 with a TOW launcher.
        • • Hovet, also spelled Chovet - Israeli designation for the M163 VADS.
          • • Hatap, also spelled Chatap - A field repair vehicle for carrying spare parts and equipment specific to the vehicles it is tasked to support.
            • • Mugaf - Israeli designation of the M577 command post carrier.
              • • Alfa - Israeli designation of the M548 cargo carrier.
                • • Shilem - Unarmored vehicle equipped with EL-M-2310 radar for artillery forces.
                • M113 AMEV - Armored Medical Evacuation Vehicle. A specifically modified and equipped M113 for use as an armored ambulance.
                • • M113 HVMS - A prototype armed with a HVMS 60 mm gun in a turret.
                  • • M113 L-VAS - A prototype equipped with Light Vehicle Armour System (L-VAS).
                    • Urban Fighter - IMI developed modification, with upgraded "Iron Wall" armor, capable of repelling IED and EFP attacks
                      • Keshet - 120 mm mortar carrier.

I have no idea why my comment went out so ugly.
But we are going to replace all of them with the Eitan next generation APC/IFV and many more missions.

M113 is a vintage design Pakistan is already producing dragoons to replace the older M113 versions as well. Dragoon has limited MARP capability as well. Also MARPS are being inducted to be used in counter terrorism Ops.

 

[Beny Karachun]

M113 is a vintage design Pakistan is already producing dragoons to replace the older M113 versions as well. Dragoon has limited MARP capability as well. Also MARPS are being inducted to be used in counter terrorism Ops.

Dragoons are from 1982, and their armor is only steel not composite. *MRAP not MARP
Our Eitans will have 360 degree see-trough-armor system called Iron Vision, 30mm cannon and probably 2 Spike LR missiles, 2 or even 3 different APS's working independently and light weight materials. the APC/IFV version will be 8 wheeled, the tank version will be tracked.
Tank version has unknown cannon, but both are designed to be easily (And cheaply) manufactured, half the price of the German Boxer, Swiss Piranha 5, and Finnish AMV Patria.
Both will have the same hull.

 

[Pandora]

Dragoons are from 1982, and their armor is only steel not composite. *MRAP not MARP
Our Eitans will have 360 degree see-trough-armor system called Iron Vision, 30mm cannon and probably 2 Spike LR missiles, 2 or even 3 different APS's working independently and light weight materials. the APC/IFV version will be 8 wheeled, the tank version will be tracked.
Tank version has unknown cannon, but both are designed to be easily (And cheaply) manufactured, half the price of the German Boxer, Swiss Piranha 5, and Finnish AMV Patria.
Both will have the same hull.

Pakistani Variant is the latest one with improved armour. It also has extra underbelly protection to survive IED and mines.

Well to be honest no one can compare Israeili electronics as they are at top of the line specially APS system. I guess an Israeili IFV with APS system will be a tough nut to crack.

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

you mean these beasts, i guess then the number makes sense.

American they put these in trials in Afghanistan when they found these machines are failed in modern wars they sold them to all Muslim Countries. its good they sold also to Pakistan at least we will do operation in HIT to make new and better versions.

 

[HAIDER]

It seems Gen Raheel convince Mccain for MaxPro for urgent delivery. Mccain visit to FATA restive zone was very convincing. Did reality check with his own eyes.

Heavily armed Isreali 163

 

[New World]

ur Eitans will have 360 degree see-trough-armor system called Iron Vision, 30mm cannon and probably 2 Spike LR missiles, 2 or even 3 different APS's working independently and light weight materials. the APC/IFV version will be 8 wheeled, the tank version will be tracked.
Tank version has unknown cannon, but both are designed to be easily (And cheaply) manufactured, half the price of the German Boxer, Swiss Piranha 5, and Finnish AMV Patria.
Both will have the same hull.

can you give us that?? we need them..

 

[Beny Karachun]

Pakistani Variant is the latest one with improved armour. It also has extra underbelly protection to survive IED and mines.

Well to be honest no one can compare Israeili electronics as they are at top of the line specially APS system. I guess an Israeili IFV with APS system will be a tough nut to crack.

Believe me, the Merkava had a lot of armor under its belly, but facing against 200kg or more IEDs... you got no chance

can you give us that?? we need them..

Don't ask me, I have nothing to do with selling weapons.
And I am pretty sure the answer is no, Pakistan is a hostile country to Israel.
And anyways it will anger India.

 

[mingle]

So which vehicles were sent?

I think these r Maxpro s there is surplus stock at kuwait more likely ship from there along surplus stock in Astan .i dont think these r M113 we got tons them from italy surplus stock .Demand is For Max pro not chain APCs in tirbel areas .