US comes to Israel’s aid and blocks China-led Security Council initiative to issue statement on Gaza violence

[Hack-Hook]

wonder how come the thread derailed to discussing Iran policy , while not a single Iranian posted here and not a single time the name of Iran was mentioned in the article.
Its what I call obsession

 

[Mohsin A]

I've stated time and time again that those supporting Ukraine in the war against Russia are supporters of the Zionist movement whether you realise it or not, and so by extension you support the Israeli oppression and brutalisation of the Palestinians.
The War between Russia & Ukraine is closely linked to the Israhell, Palestine conflict with the middle ground being Syria. Thus why Russia must win in Ukraine to bring down this Zionist world order shamelessly serving the illegitimate state of Israel.
I'm pretty sure the Brown Sahib NATO boot polishers will be triggered by this post, but it is the reality of the situation.
It's just unfortunate, that innocent civilians on both sides of the conflict get caught up in the middle of these strategic conflicts.

 

[mulj]

China is pragmatic state and they calculated that is better to have good relations with 2 billion muslims and growing then with declining west states, it is long term safe bet from their perspective.

 

[Neby Rakachun]

Then the U.S. wonder's why, like an autistic child, the Islamic World is cheering on Russia and others.
But, eventually, you reap what you sow.

Morals are absolute, just because you don't view the US as moral does not mean supporting Russia is moral, Russia killed 4 times more people in one year than Israel did in 75 years

Invaded without reason or diplomacy just like the Arabs did to Israel

Yeah, exactly then Americans ask why do Muslim countries see China, Russia, Japan, and Brazil so favourably.

Japan? Japan is anti Russia and China lol

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

Was it hardly surprising? USA protects Israel for Geo-strategic reasons. You think they care about Zionists?

I used to think so too but think about it. US, and by extension western, imperialistic support to Israel is the single biggest reason of global terrorism, bar none.

So, what Geo-strategic purposes does supporting Israel serve?

Although, a cynic would argue (rightly so, imo) that terrorism has been a net-positive for the US, a la "war on terror". They lost 3k citizens and direct and indirectly killed millions, weakened and controlled almost of the middle easterns countries and then some. The colonial europeans had "god on their side", and "heathens to civilize". Those wouldn't have worked in the modern world so the some change in rhetoric was needed.

@PakFactor

 

[ThunderCat]

It isn't a concern. It shouldn't be a concern. It is entirely an independent matter of Iran.
True. Iran has close relations with India. Often at the expense of Pakistan. No doubt about it.

Nevertheless, we should view the nuclear issue separately from other issues. Instead of bracketing Iran as a foe Pakistan needs to approach Iran and try to stabilise relations. At least learn from the Saudis and GCC Arab nations. Are we greater foes with Iran than Arab nations? Yet the Arab nations understand that mending ties is the way forward. I just don't understand our logic. We always have a flawed way of thinking when it comes to mending ties with certain neighbors. It won't do much good for Pakistan as history has already proven.

Yes we should mend ties but on conditions. It cannot be one-sided. Secondly nuclear weapons are very threatening and could trigger a regional arms race. Even Erdogan stated.

Plus Iran is a signatory to non-polifieration. Their influence in Pakistan is negative and their close ties to India are threatening.

Israel will never use nuclear weapons. They know it'll trigger WW3. They live in volatile region. They want to disengage from conflict as much as possible, knowing how costly it is.

Japan? Japan is anti Russia and China lol

And anti-Korea.
Although it's government is improving relations with South Korea, the Japanese as a collective people don't have a positive view of South Korea.

 

[Mohsin A]

Listen Carefully.

 

[ThunderCat]

In general, the problems of Pakistan and Afghanistan need to be solved together.

It'll only be worsened by overpopulation which fuels more poverty.

 

[aziqbal]

Morals are absolute, just because you don't view the US as moral does not mean supporting Russia is moral, Russia killed 4 times more people in one year than Israel did in 75 years

Invaded without reason or diplomacy just like the Arabs did to Israel


Japan? Japan is anti Russia and China lol

but you support Ukraine because Russia took their land

and yet you steal Palestinian land

so that makes you a hypocrite NO?

and can you tell me why after 75 years of occupation why Zionists cant walk down the street without being stabbed?

clearly you lost this war like all the wars you lost in past history

 

[Neby Rakachun]

but you support Ukraine because Russia took their land

and yet you steal Palestinian land

so that makes you a hypocrite NO?

and can you tell me why after 75 years of occupation why Zionists cant walk down the street without being stabbed?

clearly you lost this war like all the wars you lost in past history

It's Israeli land, not Palestinian, monkey

You attack us and lose, cry harder

Israel will never use nuclear weapons. They know it'll trigger WW3. They live in volatile region. They want to disengage from conflict as much as possible, knowing how costly it is.

Israel will use nukes if it means preventing Iran from having nukes

 

[gambit]

Then the U.S. wonder's why, like an autistic child, the Islamic World is cheering on Russia and others.

So...Sending positive energy their way...

 

[Muhammed45]

But Iran's nuclear program is a cause of concern to Arab countries and Turkey. As well as Pakistani military.

An alliance with Israel cannot be ruled out amongst these countries.

It seems Iran has left a big pain in your mind.

I would be more than glad to hear your reason for it. If you start talking about Indian spies then i have to tell you that it is the dumbest excuse you could find. So please talk about something else.

We will get along with Arabs sooner or later the disputes will be resolved. The biggest problem with Arabs, is that they have counted on USA to weaken Iran. If they distance themselves from Americans, then we can sit around a table to find a solution.

And you instead of offering yourself to Zionists (For all i know, those racist occupiers don't give a hoot about you and your country), try to live with your neighbor.

It isn't a concern. It shouldn't be a concern. It is entirely an independent matter of Iran.



True. Iran has close relations with India. Often at the expense of Pakistan. No doubt about it.

Nevertheless, we should view the nuclear issue separately from other issues. Instead of bracketing Iran as a foe Pakistan needs to approach Iran and try to stabilise relations. At least learn from the Saudis and GCC Arab nations. Are we greater foes with Iran than Arab nations? Yet the Arab nations understand that mending ties is the way forward. I just don't understand our logic. We always have a flawed way of thinking when it comes to mending ties with certain neighbors. It won't do much good for Pakistan as history has already proven.

Dear @Dalit , Iran has done everything possible to develop cordial relationship with Pakistan but every time we were shown by the exit door. Remember the pipeline.

You tell me, how can we count on Pakistan while not only knowing the fact that Pakistani establishment at least majority of them prefer west over relationship with Iran but also we are proven by this very fact from time to time?

The people trying to make it religious are pursuing an agenda which is worse than betrayal. Most of regional problems are a result of foreign interventions led by western colonialists. For example, the best way to remove Syrian threat to Israel was using that religious potential of Syrians.

 

[ThunderCat]

It seems Iran has left a big pain in your mind.

I would be more than glad to hear your reason for it. If you start talking about Indian spies then i have to tell you that it is the dumbest excuse you could find. So please talk about something else.

We will get along with Arabs sooner or later the disputes will be resolved. The biggest problem with Arabs, is that they have counted on USA to weaken Iran. If they distance themselves from Americans, then we can sit around a table to find a solution.

I have nothing against Iranian people for the most part. It's this tyrannical regime and regional trouble maker that I am against.

Likewise for Saudis. I am against their tyrannical monarchy and would never want them to have nuclear weapons.

I've even emphasized that I do not want any bombing of Iran. Such a thing could de-stabalize the region and even the world.

The right thing to do would be to arm Iranian freedom fighters and supply them intelligence to overthrow this tyrannical regime and shut the nuke program.

Iran needs democracy, secularism and a healthy economy. So does Pakistan. But since USA is not taking the Ayatollah nuclear program seriously, the Israelis are the last best hope.

I'm not necessarily pro-Israeli, but I am not anti-Israeli either. I am more neutral towards them.

 

[LeGenD]

US comes to Israel’s aid and blocks China-led Security Council initiative to issue statement on Gaza violence​

Biden administration again comes to Israel’s aid at UN after lobbying from Jerusalem, which expressed fear that missive would draw equivalency between Israel and Islamic Jihad​

By JACOB MAGID 11 May 2023, 11:52 pm

The United States blocked an effort led by China for the United Nations Security Council to issue a joint statement expressing alarm over the ongoing Gaza escalation, a senior Israeli official told The Times of Israel on Thursday.

China sought to lobby support for the communique, which would have condemned both the rocket fire from Gaza directed at Israeli civilians and the Israeli airstrikes across the coastal enclave that began Tuesday morning, as the IDF launched Operation Shield and Arrow against the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror group, the senior official said.

China aimed for the joint statement — a symbolic step that holds less weight than a binding resolution but that still requires unanimous support of all 15 members — to be issued upon conclusion of an emergency meeting that it called on Wednesday to discuss the latest round of violence between Israelis and Palestinians.

While Beijing won the support of Russia along with France and the United Arab Emirates, which had also requested Wednesday’s closed-door meeting, the US informed members that it would not back the measure, effectively burying it.

Israel had lobbied the US and other Security Council members to block the move, fearing that the joint statement would draw an equivalency between Israel and PIJ, the senior official explained.

Israel’s Ambassador to the UN Gilad Erdan told Army Radio on Thursday, “We succeeded in blocking condemnation of Israel with the help of the US, with whom we worked in conjunction.”

“The US, together with the UK, conveyed [to us] that they would not allow a statement,” he added.

The Biden administration has consistently come to Israel’s defense at the Security Council, blocking the panel from issuing statements or passing resolutions on Israeli-Palestinian flareups in over half a dozen instances, including several times during the May 2021 Gaza war. Washington has argued that the UN is not the proper body to adjudicate the conflict.

One apparent exception to that stance came in February when the US helped the Security Council adopt a joint statement blasting the Israeli government for a decision to legalize nine West Bank outposts and advance plans for nearly 10,000 new settlement homes. Still, this move came after the US blocked the top UN panel from passing a binding resolution against Israel.

As in previous rounds of violence between Israel and terror groups in Gaza, the Biden administration has worked quietly to restore calm.

During the 11-day war in May 2021, initial statements from the Biden administration focused solely on expressing backing for Israel’s right to self-defense, giving Jerusalem cover to continue striking targets in Gaza. It took several days before US statements began including more overt calls for de-escalation and a ceasefire.

This time though, such rhetoric was employed after just one day of fighting.

In the White House readout from US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan’s call with his Israeli counterpart Tzachi Hanegbi, the former “reaffirmed the administration’s ironclad support for Israel’s security, as well as its right to defend its people from indiscriminate rocket attacks.

“Sullivan also noted continued regional efforts to broker a ceasefire, and emphasized the need to deescalate tensions and prevent further loss of life,” the statement said.

US Ambassador to Israel Tom Nides echoed the sentiment on Thursday, tweeting that he was “concerned about the continuing rocket launches today. We stand by Israel’s right to defend itself. Working towards a quick de-escalation.”

Wednesday was the fourth time the Security Council convened an emergency session to discuss the escalations in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict since the establishment of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s hardline government on December 29. During that period, the UN panel has also held four of its mandated monthly meetings on the conflict, which both Jerusalem and Washington have argued demonstrates the council’s disproportionate focus on Israel.

In light of the decision by the US to block a joint statement, Security Council members at the Wednesday meeting sufficed with receiving a briefing on the developments in Gaza from the UN’s Mideast envoy Tor Wennesland before ambassadors had the opportunity to present the positions of their respective capitals on the violence. Envoys were unanimous in their calls for the parties to de-escalate, while most were particularly critical of the civilian casualties caused by the Israeli airstrikes on PIJ operatives, a UN diplomat for a country at the meeting told The Times of Israel.

Also on Wednesday, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres issued a statement expressing his “deep concern” over the Gaza developments.

“The Secretary-General condemns the civilian loss of life, including that of children and women, which he views as unacceptable and must stop immediately,” said a statement on Guterres’s behalf. “Israel must abide by its obligations under international humanitarian law, including the proportional use of force and taking all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects in the conduct of military operations.

“The Secretary-General also condemns the indiscriminate launching of rockets from Gaza into Israel, which violates international humanitarian law and puts at risk both Palestinian and Israeli civilians,” the statement added, calling on both parties to “exercise maximum restraint and to work to stop hostilities immediately.”

On Thursday, the UN’s Human Rights Office issued its own statement expressing “alarm” over the Gaza fighting.

“We are concerned about whether the IDF took sufficient precautions to avoid, and in any event to minimize, loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects,” the statement said, also condemning “indiscriminate” Palestinian rocket fire at Israel.

Operation Shield and Arrow commenced with a series of near-simultaneous IDF airstrikes that eliminated three of PIJ’s most senior commanders in response to the terror group’s launching of over 100 rockets at Israel last week. Ten Palestinian civilians were killed in those initial Tuesday strikes, including four children.

Islamic Jihad has since fired over 800 projectiles at Israel, including one rocket that struck an apartment building in the central town of Rehovot on Thursday, killing one and injuring five others.

The IDF in response has struck 191 PIJ targets throughout the Strip, intentionally avoiding sites belonging to the Gaza-ruling Hamas, which it says has thus far avoided actively joining the fighting.

The Hamas-run health ministry in the Gaza Strip said Thursday night that the death toll from the latest round of fighting stood at 29, with roughly half believed to have been civilians. Israel says some civilians died as a result of Palestinian rocket misfires.

At least 93 were wounded in the three days of fighting, the ministry said. Although its figures did not differentiate between those injured or killed by Israeli airstrikes and those injured or killed by Islamic Jihad rocket misfires.

US blocks China-led Security Council initiative to issue statement on Gaza violence - The Times of Israel

Biden administration again comes to Israel's aid at UN after lobbying from Jerusalem, which expressed fear that missive would draw equivalency between Israel and Islamic Jihad

www.timesofisrael.com

Shameful no doubt.

But let's be honest. Misuse of VETO power is a common theme.

UN: Russia and China’s abusive use of veto “shameful”

Russia and China have again abused their veto power at the United Nations Security Council today, following a vote on a draft resolution that would have helped ensure accountability for the use and production of chemical weapons by all parties to the conflict in Syria, said Amnesty...

www.amnesty.org

Russia’s veto makes a mockery of the United Nations Security Council

Putin’s Ukraine War has fundamentally transformed the geopolitical landscape. This new reality must be reflected in the way the United Nations Security Council functions. If not now, when?

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Solution is in to abolish VETO power.

Will China call for abolishing VETO power in the United Nations (UN) ???

Then the U.S. wonder's why, like an autistic child, the Islamic World is cheering on Russia and others.
But, eventually, you reap what you sow.

As noted above, abuse of VETO power is a common theme. Any side that has power, will abuse this privilege to preserve its interests. This is second nature to humans.

The Pan-Islamic World has no shortage of hypocrites in its ranks either.

I don't see the point to cheering for Russia on the issue of Israel - Palestine conflict. What has Russia done to address this problem?

It isn't a concern. It shouldn't be a concern. It is entirely an independent matter of Iran.



True. Iran has close relations with India. Often at the expense of Pakistan. No doubt about it.

Nevertheless, we should view the nuclear issue separately from other issues. Instead of bracketing Iran as a foe Pakistan needs to approach Iran and try to stabilise relations. At least learn from the Saudis and GCC Arab nations. Are we greater foes with Iran than Arab nations? Yet the Arab nations understand that mending ties is the way forward. I just don't understand our logic. We always have a flawed way of thinking when it comes to mending ties with certain neighbors. It won't do much good for Pakistan as history has already proven.

Pakistan had excellent bilateral relations with Iran courtesy of the Iran-Pakistan Friendship Treaty signed in 1950. In fact, Iran under Shah of Iran was the only foreign country to support Pakistan during the Indo-Pak War in 1965.

Iran and Pakistan: Cooperation in An Area of Conflict on JSTOR

Shirin Tahir-Kheli, Iran and Pakistan: Cooperation in An Area of Conflict, Asian Survey, Vol. 17, No. 5 (May, 1977), pp. 474-490

www.jstor.org

But Iran developed bilateral relations with India after Indira Gandhi's visit to Iran in 1974.

DETENTE PEED BY INDIA AND IRAN (Published 1974)

Indian Prime Min Indira Gandhi and Shah of Iran agree, after 5 days of talks aimed at detente, to establish shipping line with initial capacity of 500,000 tons (S)

www.nytimes.com

India, Badly Needing Aid, Hails Visiting Shah of Iran (Published 1974)

Gandhi illus with Shah of Iran and Empress Farah

www.nytimes.com

https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/oil-shock-and-surprise/article10055609.ece

Iran is focused on its interests and will value its trade flows. Understandable.

But your assumption that Pakistan regards Iran as a foe is WRONG.

But:

Al-Qaeda Network
Kulbhushan Sudhir Jadhav
Uzair Baloch
Balochistan Liberation Army
The Zainabiyoun Brigade
Illicit oil trade - more on this in here

These are confidence-building measures?

WE welcome good bilateral relationship with Iran but Iran must respect Pakistan's concerns and issues as well.

This is definitely a concern. Once upon a time many Western countries were also waging wars among themselves. All the same petty reasons. In the end the Western countries realised that working together for the greater good is the only way forward. Despite differences etc. Sounds very cliche, but it is the truth. Instead of fighting among themselves, today the Western bloc plays divide and conquer elsewhere.

The problem with developing nations and Islamic nations in particular is that they cannot get over their differences. We are still stuck in the dark medieval ages and unable to align our political/economic interests. Differences triumph over prosperity and cooperation. We allow outsiders to dictate our policies. The Saudis have finally shown courage by sitting down with Iran and resolving issues amicably. There is a long way to go, but a start has been made.

Pakistan will be left far behind. All regional countries are moving ahead. Resolving their differences and finding common ground. We are still quarreling and playing around. Pakistan will pay a big penalty for foolishness. The army wants to sit in Western lap and do their bidding. The political parties only care about their short-term interests. The people are left in the middle to scavenge. The outcome for Pakistan is disastrous.

It is the collective responsibility of the Islamic countries to come up with solutions for the betterment of the Pan-Islamic World in sensible ways. But the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is sleeping.

Houthi toppled Hadi government in Yemen in 2015 and Saudi wanted do restore Hadi government to power in Yemen. Saudi reached out to the United States (US) and Pakistan to help defeat Houthi in Yemen, but US and Pakistan refused to dispatch troops to this end. Americans had a conflicting view on this war and settled for providing arms, intel, and logistics support to Saudi-led forces in this matter. But Saudi-led forces have failed to defeat Houthi due to incompetence shown on the ground as well as Iranian support to Houthi. Saudi feel that both US and Pakistan have let them down in this matter.

China has become the largest customer of Saudi oil and Iranian oil. This dynamic has made it possible for China to bring both countries to the negotiation table. More on this in here and here. Well, this is much better than useless fighting in Yemen and otherwise.

Why Pakistan is left far behind?

Because Pakistan has no Foreign Policy direction. Pakistani were unable to build consensus on the issue of the War On Terror and were providing support to both NATO and Afghan Taliban - the outcome of this duality is that Pakistan is not in the good books of either party and terrorists continue to haunt Pakistan. When it comes to discussing other countries, you will see favorable views for China, Iran, and Russia in general, but not much thought is given to which country can offer what type of benefits to Pakistan in the long term. For example, Pakistani consistently fail to appreciate the fact that US is the largest consumer of Pakistani goods and American companies are a significant contributor to job opportunities in the country, and not much thought is given to how to expand on this bilateral relationship in Pakistan discourses. Offers of foreign investment from Americans is regarded with skepticism and suspicion without knowledge of situation on the ground - Chinese welcome mutually beneficial foreign investment from any country in contrast. Pakistan has a significant trade deficit with China and something must be done to offset this imbalance - this issue warrants expansion of bilateral relations with a number of countries and to develop industrial capability that can help increase EXPORTS of Pakistani goods and reduce reliance on IMPORTS from other countries to meet consumer needs. CPEC is welcome but it is assumed to be the magic pill that will solve everything for Pakistan - there is no dearth in praise for CPEC as noted in here and here but see this and this. It is important to shape CPEC in a way that many in Pakistan can benefit from its projects but look at this and this. Now you understand why Pakistan cannot put all of its eggs in one basket and call it a day? I have pointed out before that bloc politics does not suit Pakistan. The way forward is to develop bilateral relations with as many countries as possible and eventually shift to developing key technologies at home and reduce reliance on IMPORTS from other countries.

Akalmand ke liye ishara kafi hai

I used to think so too but think about it. US, and by extension western, imperialistic support to Israel is the single biggest reason of global terrorism, bar none.

So, what Geo-strategic purposes does supporting Israel serve?

Although, a cynic would argue (rightly so, imo) that terrorism has been a net-positive for the US, a la "war on terror". They lost 3k citizens and direct and indirectly killed millions, weakened and controlled almost of the middle easterns countries and then some. The colonial europeans had "god on their side", and "heathens to civilize". Those wouldn't have worked in the modern world so the some change in rhetoric was needed.

@PakFactor

Al-Qaeda Network's humanitarian services for reference. This organization is in fact the single biggest reason of global terrorism, bar none.

Same US was GOOD when it supported Iraq during the Iran - Iraq War.
Same US was GOOD when it defended Saudi Arabia and liberated Kuwait from Iraq in the 1991 Persian Gulf War.
Same US was GOOD when it supported Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Yugoslav Wars.

Saudi have used American Patriot systems to defend against attacks from Iran-backed Houthi. The latter would have reduced Saudi infrastructure to rubble in the Saudi - Yemen War otherwise.
UAE also uses American Patriot and THAAD systems to defend against attacks from Iran-backed Houthi.

My point is this: Criticism of any side should be FAIR and BALANCED.

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Israel - Palestine conflict stem from the British experiment to partition Transjordan in 1922.

The esteemed OIC (more like OH I SEE) should call the British to address the Israel - Palestine conflict.

In my opinion, One-State Solution makes sense.

Dear @Dalit , Iran has done everything possible to develop cordial relationship with Pakistan but every time we were shown by the exit door. Remember the pipeline.

You tell me, how can we count on Pakistan while not only knowing the fact that Pakistani establishment at least majority of them prefer west over relationship with Iran but also we are proven by this very fact from time to time?

The people trying to make it religious are pursuing an agenda which is worse than betrayal. Most of regional problems are a result of foreign interventions led by western colonialists. For example, the best way to remove Syrian threat to Israel was using that religious potential of Syrians.

See my response to OP above.

Problem:

Gas pipeline project 'impossible' under US sanctions, Pakistan tells Iran

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has informed Iran in writing that it cannot execute the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project as long as Tehran is under a United States sanctions regime, a top official at Pakistan’s state-owned Inter State Gas Systems said on Friday, driving a final nail in the coffin of a...

www.arabnews.pk

But:

Iran to Fine Pakistan $18bn Over Delayed Pipeline Project | Pipeline Technology Journal

Iran could hand Pakistan a whopping $18 billion penalty if Islamabad fails to complete a portion of the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project on its territory by February-March 2024.

www.pipeline-journal.net

NA body asks govt to remove obstacles to IP gas pipeline project

ISLAMABAD: A National Assembly panel was informed on Thursday that because of the International Monetary Fund’s...

www.brecorder.com

Follow your command or else...

Pakistan's economic vulnerabilities are different from that of Iran, but your country fails to understand this problem.

Pakistan has to seek waiver from the US to solve this problem:

Pakistan to seek relief from US on Iran gas sanctions

ISLAMABAD: Top government authorities have decided to initiate diplomatic endeavours to seek relief from Washington on sanctions imposed on Tehran so that Pakistan could initiate building a portion...

www.thenews.com.pk

I hope that Pakistan is able to secure this waiver to complete this project, but Pakistan needs to rethink about its future dealings with Iran.

WE cannot carry the burden of your seemingly endless conflict with the WEST in the long term. It is a huge bloc that cannot be ignored to the detriment of Pakistani markets.

 

[Muhammed45]

I have nothing against Iranian people for the most part. It's this tyrannical regime and regional trouble maker that I am against.

Likewise for Saudis. I am against their tyrannical monarchy and would never want them to have nuclear weapons.

I've even emphasized that I do not want any bombing of Iran. Such a thing could de-stabalize the region and even the world.

The right thing to do would be to arm Iranian freedom fighters and supply them intelligence to overthrow this tyrannical regime and shut the nuke program.

Iran needs democracy, secularism and a healthy economy. So does Pakistan. But since USA is not taking the Ayatollah nuclear program seriously, the Israelis are the last best hope.

I'm not necessarily pro-Israeli, but I am not anti-Israeli either. I am more neutral towards them.

By what you suggest, i can see that you want KSA, Iran and Pakistan to be turned into an other Syria or Libya. Thanks, keep your advice for yourself. I may dislike Sauds but i will never support arming terrorists to topple them. They can have their own nuclear program, why not? It will benefit people of peninsula.

Al-Qaeda Network

@The Eagle once mentioned that there is no problem in this group. However, i disagree with him, Jihad must be issued by state not individuals. Al-Qaeda is a stubborn group that needs to be controlled. Iran or any other country could have negotiated them in order to control their activities in the region and beyond.

Kulbhushan Sudhir Jadhav

Kulbhushan Jadhav - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

When president of Iran was present in Pakistan, Pakistanis without considering diplomatic manners raised an issue that poor Rouhani had no idea about.

Balochistan Liberation Army

Baloch separatists have their main base in UAE. UAE has been supporting armed separatism in the area making problems for Iranian side. It really is an stupid assumption that Iran is supporting a potential threat to itself, unless Pakistanis are so gutless that prefer to escapegoat Iran and no mention of UAE.

Al-Qaeda Network's humanitarian services for reference. This organization is in fact the single biggest reason of global terrorism, bar none.

The biggest network of global terrorism is CIA and American intelligence forces. From color revolutions, coup attampts in different countries, sponsoring anti state elements are all American tactics to destabilize independent countries. They have changed the path of revolutionary forces through their global terror networks.

Illicit oil trade - more on this in here

I don't really know that you are misinformed or a political tool of Pakistani pro-US secular factions. You know better than others that these smugglers are using subsided oil and gasoline for trading with Pakistani smugglers. I hear almost on monthly basis that Baloch smugglers are getting shot for smuggling the subsided energy resources of Iranian citizens. It is a huge blow to Iranian economy. Ironically, some elements called claimed that Iran is shooting Baloch smugglers because they are Sunnis. What an ignorance to say that Iran benefits from smuggling subsided gasoline.

Don't worry, there are some measures being taken to make it zero, even if we had to shoot every smuggler on the borders.

Same US was GOOD when it supported Iraq during the Iran - Iraq War.

This is an interesting sentence. Care to elaborate why US was good in that case?

Same US was GOOD when it defended Saudi Arabia and liberated Kuwait from Iraq in the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

Saddam was a rabid dog that bite its feeding hands.

Same US was GOOD when it supported Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Yugoslav Wars.

They did not support Muslims, in fact, they enabled NATO expansion towards east at expense of Muslims' blood.

Saudi have used American Patriot systems to defend against attacks from Iran-backed Houthi. The latter would have reduced Saudi infrastructure to rubble in the Saudi - Yemen War otherwise.
UAE also uses American Patriot and THAAD systems to defend against attacks from Iran-backed Houthi.

My point is this: Criticism of any side should be FAIR and BALANCED.

Fact is, USA is the big problem in Iran-Arab relations. It is getting improved by removal of USA.

Follow your command or else...

Pakistan's economic vulnerabilities are different from that of Iran, but your country fails to understand this problem.

Pakistan has to seek waiver from the US to solve this problem:

Pakistan to seek relief from US on Iran gas sanctions

ISLAMABAD: Top government authorities have decided to initiate diplomatic endeavours to seek relief from Washington on sanctions imposed on Tehran so that Pakistan could initiate building a portion...

www.thenews.com.pk

I hope that Pakistan is able to secure this waiver to complete this project, but Pakistan needs to rethink about its future dealings with Iran.

WE cannot carry the burden of your seemingly endless conflict with the WEST in the long term. It is a huge bloc that cannot be ignored to the detriment of Pakistani markets.

I don't expect Pakistan anything independently from west. We have seen what we had to. The country is still getting suffocated under IMF pressure. It is a total fk up man! and i blame Pakistani establishment for throwing people of Pakistan into western financial trap which completely affects Pakistan's foreign policy. The first sacrifaction will be Pakistan's independence which is already gone.