'US-Bangla military diplomacy up'

[scholseys]

US is the war forward for Bangladesh because the Chinese will not interfere in our policies. Having a strong US presence in Bangladesh is the best way for BD to move forward. It will certainly bring in more western investors. Keep the chinese and indians in check. I don't get why the posters here worship China here? we have a huge trade deficit with them. We buy their crap weapons and they will continue to sell us their crap as long as we have money. An american presence in Bangladesh will create the best economic atmosphere and will keep the chinese and indian dalali at bay. Go America!

 

[Hammer-fist]

Whilst I do not totally endorse everything that aazidane says and especially not the displayal of the American flag given the American regime's bloody and violent history in illegal invasions, terrorism, war crimes, I can say that the US should be allowed to engage in mutually beneficial relations with Bangladesh and not be distanced. The US is of some use and we can benefit from it.

However the international community in general is deeply disturbed by the very violent and extremely aggressive nature of the American regime and the American regime must realize that it cannot misbehave in Bangladesh or cause trouble or ultimately there will be severe consequences.

Somalis
Vietnamese
North Koreans
Cubans
Iranians
Chinese
Russians (e.g. the Russian crushing of Georgia whilst the American regime stood by impotent)
Afghans

have all defeated, humiliated and frustrated the maglomaniac Americans at different times.

Even the pathetic Indians may one day get their act together and ultimately stop the American-backed Christian missionary groups that are Christianizing the whole of the north east and encouraging secessionism and anti-Indian terrorism and thus thwart American destabilization of south Asia.

We Bangladeshis are peaceful people and merely want peaceful relations with our neighbours such as India who though bad and engaged in the destabiization of south Asian and sponsoring terrorism is no way as bad as the global thugs, brutal, violent, savage and mass murdering killers that are the Americans.

If there was ever a war between America and India I would definitely support fellow non-white and Asian power India against the brutal and bloodthirsty Americans who have carried out the most appalling atrocities known to man for decades including the de facto nuking of Iraq (depleted uranium everywhere).

America must be told to f*** off from Asia in the long term as the Latin American states have told America to f*** off from Latin America.

 

[kalu_miah]

Whilst I do not totally endorse everything that aazidane says and especially not the displayal of the American flag given the American regime's bloody and violent history in illegal invasions, terrorism, war crimes, I can say that the US should be allowed to engage in mutually beneficial relations with Bangladesh and not be distanced. The US is of some use and we can benefit from it.

However the international community in general is deeply disturbed by the very violent and extremely aggressive nature of the American regime and the American regime must realize that it cannot misbehave in Bangladesh or cause trouble or ultimately there will be severe consequences.

Somalis
Vietnamese
North Koreans
Cubans
Iranians
Chinese
Russians (e.g. the Russian crushing of Georgia whilst the American regime stood by impotent)
Afghans

have all defeated, humiliated and frustrated the maglomaniac Americans at different times.

Even the pathetic Indians may one day get their act together and ultimately stop the American-backed Christian missionary groups that are Christianizing the whole of the north east and encouraging secessionism and anti-Indian terrorism and thus thwart American destabilization of south Asia.

We Bangladeshis are peaceful people and merely want peaceful relations with our neighbours such as India who though bad and engaged in the destabiization of south Asian and sponsoring terrorism is no way as bad as the global thugs, brutal, violent, savage and mass murdering killers that are the Americans.

If there was ever a war between America and India I would definitely support fellow non-white and Asian power India against the brutal and bloodthirsty Americans who have carried out the most appalling atrocities known to man for decades including the de facto nuking of Iraq (depleted uranium everywhere).

America must be told to f*** off from Asia in the long term as the Latin American states have told America to f*** off from Latin America.

Good post. And the way to send them packing as soon as possible is to integrate the region with their help, so an offshore balancer is no longer needed as the region can stand on its own and face any threat from big neighbors.

But it will take at least 2-3 decades before the region will be ready to ask them to leave.

 

[Hammer-fist]

While we must be careful of the thugs in New Delhi (notice I refer to a few thugs and terrorists in New Delhi such as Sanjeev Tripathi and Sonia Gandhi, and do not mention India as a nation, as a society whom we fundamentally have no hatred towards, we just hate Indian politicians just as we hate Bangladeshi politicians) we must not become obsessed with India and consequently become myopic and oblivious to the wider picture.

Western divide and rule v pan-Asian unity

Western powers conquered and subjugated non-white peoples by employing various ploys and tricks and one of these is the notorious "divide and rule" tactic. Remember the western powers would dearly love to see non-white states such as China and India in conflict and thus weakening each other and consequently perpetuating western global hegemony. However China and India have wisely not fallen for this trick and are trading with each other, something like $60 billion now (maybe I'm wrong but the fundamental point is the same) and heading towards a target of $100 billion. In fact in addition to BRIC there is also "Chindia" a term denoting the two largest economic markets on earth (we happen to be snap bang in between the two).

India and China trading is a win-win as both get stronger and is also good news for Bangladesh because besides RAW terrorism (hopefully one day members of Indian civil society can succeed in ending RAW aggression against India) a stronger India and a stronger China means a stronger Asia which is good news for Bangladesh as we are part of Asia and will benefit by the increased spending power of the economic markets we are next to.

Muslim world will support India v America

Some may disagree but if America were to try and attack India or even invade it the Muslim world and Bangladeshi popular opinion would side with India, here is why.

- India is home to the largest Muslim population in the world, there are more Muslims in India than even Indonesia. The Deobandi ulama for instance the most powerful school of thought in India would never accept American aggression against India and the Madani family of Uttar Pradesh have a lot of influence amongst Bangladeshi Deobandis who would probably then support the Indian Muslims and India in general against an aggressor.

Madani even gave Pakistani "Muslim" leader Musharraf a hard time when he visited India, this a Pakistani Muslim let alone white American Judaeo-Christians.

- Aside from the Deobandis Indian Muslims in general are Indians and nobody wants to be invaded by outsiders.

- China too would support India against US aggression and US maglomania and US encroachment in to Asia.

- Russia would support India

- Africans would morally support a fellow non-white state, at least their populations and societies would.

- Latin Americans would support India.

So though the maglomaniac and power-hungry Americans hope to thrive on the huge anti-Indian feeling in Bangladesh, they should realize that it has its limits and that fundamentally wise Bangladeshis want a peaceful, friendly and economically prosperous India whom we can trade with just as China does, something which the US may seek to sabotage. The US is already in the North-east of India causing mischief by backing Christian missionary groups who support anti-Indian rebels and terrorists.

The western powers also want to keep Asian/non-white states by using the religion card "Muslim v Hindu" and this is not a trick we should fall for. Our problems with India are nothing to do with religion (we have no problems with Hindu Nepal for instance) but to do with RAW terrorism and the thugs in New Delhi, however Sonia Gandhi is living on borrowed time and though I can't go in to detail, don't be surprised if "something" happens to her later this year.

We Asian states should trade with each other and attempt to solve our problems internally and keep America out of the region as fundamentally they have no business in our area, or alternatively we have just as much right to send Indian/Bangladeshi/Chinese frigates to the Florida coast or the California coast.

America will keep on attempting to perpetuate white western hegemony by using divide and rule tactics which include the "Hindu v Muslim" card.

We should instead aim to make our continent or at least South and east Asia as peaceful and prosperous as post-WW2 Europe.

India did well when it told America to f*** off when the American regime tried to bully India in to not trading with Iran.

There are grave concerns in the international community that the American regime may carry out an:

- Illegal

- Unprovoked

war against as UN member state, Iran which has not fired a single bullet against other countries in any direct war. This would destabilize the entire world so the international community it seems wants to keep American maglomania and thuggery and violence in check and in the long run to end so we live in a more stable world.

Though Indians should understand that we fundamentally want to live in peace they should also understand that we may abandon our pacific ways if things do not change and we may

- Increase military spending by a dramatic amount.
- Seek to acquire/build long range missiles.
- Possibly even go for the nuclear bomb

All of this is if RAW and New Delhi do not end their terrorism against Bangladesh.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

While we must be careful of the thugs in New Delhi (notice I refer to a few thugs and terrorists in New Delhi such as Sanjeev Tripathi and Sonia Gandhi, and do not mention India as a nation, as a society whom we fundamentally have no hatred towards, we just hate Indian politicians just as we hate Bangladeshi politicians) we must not become obsessed with India and consequently become myopic and oblivious to the wider picture.

Western divide and rule v pan-Asian unity

Western powers conquered and subjugated non-white peoples by employing various ploys and tricks and one of these is the notorious "divide and rule" tactic. Remember the western powers would dearly love to see non-white states such as China and India in conflict and thus weakening each other and consequently perpetuating western global hegemony. However China and India have wisely not fallen for this trick and are trading with each other, something like $60 billion now (maybe I'm wrong but the fundamental point is the same) and heading towards a target of $100 billion. In fact in addition to BRIC there is also "Chindia" a term denoting the two largest economic markets on earth (we happen to be snap bang in between the two).

India and China trading is a win-win as both get stronger and is also good news for Bangladesh because besides RAW terrorism (hopefully one day members of Indian civil society can succeed in ending RAW aggression against India) a stronger India and a stronger China means a stronger Asia which is good news for Bangladesh as we are part of Asia and will benefit by the increased spending power of the economic markets we are next to.

Muslim world will support India v America

Some may disagree but if America were to try and attack India or even invade it the Muslim world and Bangladeshi popular opinion would side with India, here is why.

- India is home to the largest Muslim population in the world, there are more Muslims in India than even Indonesia. The Deobandi ulama for instance the most powerful school of thought in India would never accept American aggression against India and the Madani family of Uttar Pradesh have a lot of influence amongst Bangladeshi Deobandis who would probably then support the Indian Muslims and India in general against an aggressor.

Madani even gave Pakistani "Muslim" leader Musharraf a hard time when he visited India, this a Pakistani Muslim let alone white American Judaeo-Christians.

- Aside from the Deobandis Indian Muslims in general are Indians and nobody wants to be invaded by outsiders.

- China too would support India against US aggression and US maglomania and US encroachment in to Asia.

- Russia would support India

- Africans would morally support a fellow non-white state, at least their populations and societies would.

- Latin Americans would support India.

So though the maglomaniac and power-hungry Americans hope to thrive on the huge anti-Indian feeling in Bangladesh, they should realize that it has its limits and that fundamentally wise Bangladeshis want a peaceful, friendly and economically prosperous India whom we can trade with just as China does, something which the US may seek to sabotage. The US is already in the North-east of India causing mischief by backing Christian missionary groups who support anti-Indian rebels and terrorists.

The western powers also want to keep Asian/non-white states by using the religion card "Muslim v Hindu" and this is not a trick we should fall for. Our problems with India are nothing to do with religion (we have no problems with Hindu Nepal for instance) but to do with RAW terrorism and the thugs in New Delhi, however Sonia Gandhi is living on borrowed time and though I can't go in to detail, don't be surprised if "something" happens to her later this year.

We Asian states should trade with each other and attempt to solve our problems internally and keep America out of the region as fundamentally they have no business in our area, or alternatively we have just as much right to send Indian/Bangladeshi/Chinese frigates to the Florida coast or the California coast.

America will keep on attempting to perpetuate white western hegemony by using divide and rule tactics which include the "Hindu v Muslim" card.

We should instead aim to make our continent or at least South and east Asia as peaceful and prosperous as post-WW2 Europe.

India did well when it told America to f*** off when the American regime tried to bully India in to not trading with Iran.

There are grave concerns in the international community that the American regime may carry out an:

- Illegal

- Unprovoked

war against as UN member state, Iran which has not fired a single bullet against other countries in any direct war. This would destabilize the entire world so the international community it seems wants to keep American maglomania and thuggery and violence in check and in the long run to end so we live in a more stable world.

Though Indians should understand that we fundamentally want to live in peace they should also understand that we may abandon our pacific ways if things do not change and we may

- Increase military spending by a dramatic amount.
- Seek to acquire/build long range missiles.
- Possibly even go for the nuclear bomb

All of this is if RAW and New Delhi do not end their terrorism against Bangladesh.

If on the other hand America merely wanted to break India (by financing and arming its insurgents) without actually attacking it most Bangladeshis would support that ....... Even if China were to adopt this strategy most Bangladeshis would support the policy ....

 

[kalu_miah]

While we must be careful of the thugs in New Delhi (notice I refer to a few thugs and terrorists in New Delhi such as Sanjeev Tripathi and Sonia Gandhi, and do not mention India as a nation, as a society whom we fundamentally have no hatred towards, we just hate Indian politicians just as we hate Bangladeshi politicians) we must not become obsessed with India and consequently become myopic and oblivious to the wider picture.

Western divide and rule v pan-Asian unity

Western powers conquered and subjugated non-white peoples by employing various ploys and tricks and one of these is the notorious "divide and rule" tactic. Remember the western powers would dearly love to see non-white states such as China and India in conflict and thus weakening each other and consequently perpetuating western global hegemony. However China and India have wisely not fallen for this trick and are trading with each other, something like $60 billion now (maybe I'm wrong but the fundamental point is the same) and heading towards a target of $100 billion. In fact in addition to BRIC there is also "Chindia" a term denoting the two largest economic markets on earth (we happen to be snap bang in between the two).

India and China trading is a win-win as both get stronger and is also good news for Bangladesh because besides RAW terrorism (hopefully one day members of Indian civil society can succeed in ending RAW aggression against India) a stronger India and a stronger China means a stronger Asia which is good news for Bangladesh as we are part of Asia and will benefit by the increased spending power of the economic markets we are next to.

Muslim world will support India v America

Some may disagree but if America were to try and attack India or even invade it the Muslim world and Bangladeshi popular opinion would side with India, here is why.

- India is home to the largest Muslim population in the world, there are more Muslims in India than even Indonesia. The Deobandi ulama for instance the most powerful school of thought in India would never accept American aggression against India and the Madani family of Uttar Pradesh have a lot of influence amongst Bangladeshi Deobandis who would probably then support the Indian Muslims and India in general against an aggressor.

Madani even gave Pakistani "Muslim" leader Musharraf a hard time when he visited India, this a Pakistani Muslim let alone white American Judaeo-Christians.

- Aside from the Deobandis Indian Muslims in general are Indians and nobody wants to be invaded by outsiders.

- China too would support India against US aggression and US maglomania and US encroachment in to Asia.

- Russia would support India

- Africans would morally support a fellow non-white state, at least their populations and societies would.

- Latin Americans would support India.

So though the maglomaniac and power-hungry Americans hope to thrive on the huge anti-Indian feeling in Bangladesh, they should realize that it has its limits and that fundamentally wise Bangladeshis want a peaceful, friendly and economically prosperous India whom we can trade with just as China does, something which the US may seek to sabotage. The US is already in the North-east of India causing mischief by backing Christian missionary groups who support anti-Indian rebels and terrorists.

The western powers also want to keep Asian/non-white states by using the religion card "Muslim v Hindu" and this is not a trick we should fall for. Our problems with India are nothing to do with religion (we have no problems with Hindu Nepal for instance) but to do with RAW terrorism and the thugs in New Delhi, however Sonia Gandhi is living on borrowed time and though I can't go in to detail, don't be surprised if "something" happens to her later this year.

We Asian states should trade with each other and attempt to solve our problems internally and keep America out of the region as fundamentally they have no business in our area, or alternatively we have just as much right to send Indian/Bangladeshi/Chinese frigates to the Florida coast or the California coast.

America will keep on attempting to perpetuate white western hegemony by using divide and rule tactics which include the "Hindu v Muslim" card.

We should instead aim to make our continent or at least South and east Asia as peaceful and prosperous as post-WW2 Europe.

India did well when it told America to f*** off when the American regime tried to bully India in to not trading with Iran.

There are grave concerns in the international community that the American regime may carry out an:

- Illegal

- Unprovoked

war against as UN member state, Iran which has not fired a single bullet against other countries in any direct war. This would destabilize the entire world so the international community it seems wants to keep American maglomania and thuggery and violence in check and in the long run to end so we live in a more stable world.

Though Indians should understand that we fundamentally want to live in peace they should also understand that we may abandon our pacific ways if things do not change and we may

- Increase military spending by a dramatic amount.
- Seek to acquire/build long range missiles.
- Possibly even go for the nuclear bomb

All of this is if RAW and New Delhi do not end their terrorism against Bangladesh.

Good and sensible long term thoughts.

- Asian unity and Asian integration is absolutely important and should be priority one for Bangladesh and all Asian countries to achieve Asian supremacy and a Asia led stable world order
- that is why neighbors who are closer culturally and ethnically should be given preference over far away outsiders who have centuries long history of invasion, occupation and subjugation and taking over lands of many weak indigenous people

I completely agree with such thoughts. But India or China at this juncture of history are kind of oblivious to such noble and high thoughts. At this stage what they understand is raw power and if we or anyone else is relatively small, weak and cannot match the raw power of these states, they will attempt and will abuse and do what they can get away with. That is why in the realist school of International Relations, people talk about Balance of Power, whenever there is imbalance, there is bound to be instability and abuse. So we need to seek balance and if we cannot achieve it on our own due to lack of size or lack of historical continuity, we are left with no choice but to use faraway formerly abusive nations as offshore balancers, in the short and medium term and look for ways to increase size (regional unions) and historical continuity (track record of working together, regional integration such as ASEAN+), so we can achieve parity and balance.

 

[idune]

Kalu bahi good to see you are back. I have read your roadmap and understand your aspiration but many things of what you have stated are "should be", "make sense" and "we should be part of". Reading and understanding current global scenarios and where it is heading in next few decades (at least what is visible) I did not find many of your roadmap plans are in tracks and in consideration. For example ASEAN + lead by US, I have not come across any analysis and prediction on that direction from mainstream or alternative think tanks, analysts, strategists etc.
I for one sure like to see Bangladesh part of ASEAN and perhaps China. But US engagement always has dividing angle. Then again there is wish and there is reality and on top of that we do not have workable or feasible plan in sight to bridge between two. If you have come across any such analysis on your ASEAN+ or other roadmap plan would you please post those?

 

[Zabaniyah]

It is very unlikely if ASEAN would ever accept a South Asian nation if you ask me.

 

[scholseys]

It is very unlikely if ASEAN would ever accept a South Asian nation if you ask me.

We can be poor man's turkey in a poor man's nato but will be unable to get into a poor man's EU. Thing is a strong american presence will bring in Chinese, American, Japanese, EU and even our dadas. A strong american presence in the BoB will put stop dadas coming in our waters and killing. Dadas will think twice before putting killing men at the border.

 

[Luffy 500]

It is very unlikely if ASEAN would ever accept a South Asian nation if you ask me.

Why not. Geographically we are an extension of S.E ASIA IMO. Anyway our best possibility is to join a future chinese block or SCO as SAARC will never work.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Why not. Geographically we are an extension of S.E ASIA IMO. Anyway our best possibility is to join a future chinese block or SCO as SAARC will never work.

Sri Lanka tried quite some time back.
Singapore

But, this time it may be different.

Although, what makes me uncomfortable is Myanmar. It's strange that they accepted Myanmar, but not Sri Lanka even given that the former had...."issues" and it still does.

I'm cynical of those people. I grew up over there and I know their tricks.

And yes, SAARC is a bloody joke.

 

[Luffy 500]

Sri Lanka tried quite some time back.
Singapore

But, this time it may be different.

Although, what makes me uncomfortable is Myanmar. It's strange that they accepted Myanmar, but not Sri Lanka even given that the former had...."issues" and it still does.

I'm cynical of those people. I grew up over there and I know their tricks.

And yes, SAARC is a bloody joke.

We technically don't need it though. With our geographical vulnerability we must find ways to industrilize like S.korea. Planned , centralized market economy is the way to go. I like the korean and japanese way of development since they also had similar geographical vulnerability like us.

Btw How many years were U in thailand if U don't mind me asking.

 

[Zabaniyah]

We technically don't need it though. With our geographical vulnerability we must find ways to industrilize like S.korea. Planned , centralized market economy is the way to go. I like the korean and japanese way of development since they also had similar geographical vulnerability like us.

Well, the Koreans and the Japanese have strong work ethics unlike Bangladeshis.

And the Japanese are highly disciplined. The kind of discipline that is unparalleled to any other culture. I've lived in Tokyo for two years myself as a kid.

I agree that their development methodology is really good. The best in fact. But first, we need strong work ethics and at least a certain level of discipline. It's a matter of culture really.

We simply do not have enough of that yet. We are a very young nation after all compared to Korea and Japan.

We have had a history turmoil for which no one at the top levels are willing to take responsibility for; such that the nation would progress in peace, stability and prosperity. Add that to an insanely high population density.

But Bangladesh has come a very long way since 71' even in face of such difficulties.

Perhaps all in time, Inshallah.

Btw How many years were U in thailand if U don't mind me asking.

Twelve years in total.

Did my high school over there too.

 

[kalu_miah]

If on the other hand America merely wanted to break India (by financing and arming its insurgents) without actually attacking it most Bangladeshis would support that ....... Even if China were to adopt this strategy most Bangladeshis would support the policy ....

I think both USA and China will refrain from destabilizing a large entity like India which can hold unforeseen consequences for surrounding countries and regions. The two weak spots, Kashmir and North East states may separate, only when there are better alternatives to join at their periphery/border, which is non-existent at the moment, and it will happen if "mainland" India is willing to let them go, which seem extremely unlikely, now or in the foreseeable future.

I think the future of the world is moving towards voluntary association and self-determination. Independence drives for Scotland, Catalan, Basque etc. shows that even centuries of coexistence does not ensure complete assimilation and loss of identity. I think identity is a valuable thing for the existence of any large group, people do not want to give it away or loose it voluntarily. Keeping such identity also helps with competitive edge and the ability to adapt, which is also related to Asabiyyah (khaldun) or group solidarity/unity/cohesion which is again similar to my hypothesis of Historical Continuity.

 

[eastwatch]

Sri Lanka tried quite some time back.
Singapore

But, this time it may be different.

Although, what makes me uncomfortable is Myanmar. It's strange that they accepted Myanmar, but not Sri Lanka even given that the former had...."issues" and it still does.

I'm cynical of those people. I grew up over there and I know their tricks.

And yes, SAARC is a bloody joke.

SAARC is certainly a joke. ASEAN is composed of South East Asian countries. SL belongs to South Asia and not SE Asia. So, its membership bid was rejected. Ethnically and culturally Burma is a part of SE Asia, but not Bangladesh. So, a question may arise, if BD is included why not India, too? Indian NE is pretty much similar to SE Asia ethnically and lies also at the east of BD. So, why not India?

If only geographical continuity is considered for an economic association then all the countries upto europe and Africa will become member states of ASEAN. So, putting emphasize on geographic continuity may not be helpful. Rather, we should find out some other commonality and affinity that can be used for ASEAN membership bid.

For example, our small geography can be a strong point, other ASEAN memeber countries will not fear us. This can more be enhanced if BD becomes an active trading partner of ASEAN countries as a part of an economic integration with that entity. There should also be many cultural exchanges.

By the way, Laos has already agreed to forward our membership aspiration. A racist Myanmar will be opposing our entry, no doubt. I believe, US endorsement will positively influence our membership bid in the ASEAN. We have to understand that ASEAN was not created without US patronage.