US attack submarine docks at Subic

[USAHawk785]

Maybe, We also force you india to buy more weapon from other countries, Sometimes, I think that whether the defence companies should send bonus to china?

We are suprised by that why they don't send carrier there, If that, be cool, they will bark loud, I also want to know how degree of tolerance of China government.

No, You are always there, Yes, you are daddy of many countries, Please give PHILIPPINE some mordern warship, As a ally of Philippine, you just send 60-years old ship to them, what do you think them as?

Yes, we also will send more law enforcement vessel there as response to this, even them depatch CARRIER, they daren't to do anything to china ship!

Yes, we know, there are more than 60 china submarine around the area, and I require you send more weapon to Philippine, Don't just send the antique to them, and you'd better advice them that they should call them coast guard vessel, not NAVY!

Don't you know how much BIG DADDY USA loves the Philippines? Or perhaps history has not taught you a lesson. We re-took the Philippines back from Japan after the Battle of Leyte Gulf. The some 300,000 Japanese defenders were wiped out. The United States suffered some 60,000 casualties (kia, injured, mia) to liberate the Philippines tho we could have easily bypassed them as per the Island Hopping Doctrine, yet we invaded anyway.

The Philippines remains a very sensitive and close strategic core interest for the United States. Our Mutual Defense Treaty signifies that.

No foreign power will touch the Philippines; anyone who attacks the Philippines will answer to BIG DADDY USA.

The US Navy -- Fact File: Attack Submarines - SSN

and 8 commisioned Virginia class + 3 Seawolf.

Everything else according to sources is not yet built, commisioned etc....

9 was built, 8 are active, with 30 being planned.

You were still incorrect by saying that there were 60 active. You did not take into account the Ohio Class subs (18 of them) , the Seawolf Class (3) and the Virginia Class (8 active, 9 built, with 30 to be built overall).

That puts the current SUB FORCE of the US NAVY at around 92 , give or take 1. Not 60 as what you had originally stated.

 

[Zabaniyah]

See what I said boys

1. The US will maintain its interests in the South China Sea region, period. You don't like it? Take a hike.

2. The Philippines is a major non-NATO ally. That means if they are threatened, the US will intervene.

It's extremely unwise for any country to go head on against the USN. Not even PLAN can match against that kind of power.

 

[USAHawk785]

See what I said boys

1. The US will maintain its interests in the South China Sea region.

2. The Philippines is a major non-NATO ally. That means if they are threatened, the US will intervene.

It's extremely unwise for any country to go head on against the USN. Not even PLAN can match against that kind of power.

The combined might of the PLAN is not even equal to half the firepower of the US Navy's 7th Fleet.

 

[shuttler]

US submarines will surely ensure stability. So far, the main reason why the region of south china sea is peaceful is due to US Naval presence there. Otherwise, the region would be up in flames considering the degree of aggressiveness China is showing.

I think you need to look at the dictionary to find what does "aggressive" mean! Pinoys have been doing all the provocations in our territories.

 

[USAHawk785]

I think you need to look at the dictionary to find what does "aggressive" mean! Pinoys have been doing all the provocations in our territories.

Provocation by the Philippines? Hardly. What they were doing was interjecting illegal fishing by Chinese fishermen , who were, incidentally fishing illegal contraband of endangered fishes. The Scarborough shoal is well within the 200 mile EEZ as proscribed by UN's UNCLOS. The Philippines are not an aggressive power, what they were doing was territorial defense and enforcing international law regarding illegal fishing as well as their own respective national law.

The United States recognizes the Philippines position and will stand by her, Always.

 

[ChinaToday]

Funny so many cluless people in this thread , the usa philipines treaty doesnt include the scs, what philipinos really want is $$$$$$ to help its economy

 

[USAHawk785]

Funny so many cluless people in this thread , the usa philipines treaty doesnt include the scs, what philipinos really want is $$$$$$ to help its economy

The Mutual Defense Treaty between the United States and the Philippines states the following:

(ARTICLE IV of the US-PH MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY)
Each Party recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific Area on either of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes. Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall be immediately reported to the Security Council of the United Nations. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

(ARTICLE V of the US-PH MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY)
For the purpose of Article IV, an armed attack on either of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack on the metropolitan territory of either of the Parties, or on the island territories under its jurisdiction in the Pacific or on its armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific.


In other words, if you attack any of the Philippine naval vessels there in the Scarborough Shoal right now, the Untied States will interpret this attack as an attack on a Untied States Naval Vessel, and is an act of War. Touch the Philippines, and you immediately get BIG DADDY USA involved.



Reference:
MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY BETWEEN RP & USA - CHAN ROBLES VIRTUAL LAW LIBRARY

 

[King Solomon]

I think you need to look at the dictionary to find what does "aggressive" mean! Pinoys have been doing all the provocations in our territories.

How on earth can China claim something like that?

 

[shuttler]

How on earth can China claim something like that?

You have to go back to our history for that. The red dotted line do not appear to be the same as the one we've drawn up

 

[Federer]

The Mutual Defense Treaty between the United States and the Philippines states the following:

(ARTICLE IV of the US-PH MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY)
Each Party recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific Area on either of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes. Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall be immediately reported to the Security Council of the United Nations. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

(ARTICLE V of the US-PH MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY)
For the purpose of Article IV, an armed attack on either of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack on the metropolitan territory of either of the Parties, or on the island territories under its jurisdiction in the Pacific or on its armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific.


In other words, if you attack any of the Philippine naval vessels there in the Scarborough Shoal right now, the Untied States will interpret this attack as an attack on a Untied States Naval Vessel, and is an act of War. Touch the Philippines, and you immediately get BIG DADDY USA involved.



Reference:
MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY BETWEEN RP & USA - CHAN ROBLES VIRTUAL LAW LIBRARY

That's Classy.

Metropolitan seems quite Rude!

You have to go back to our history for that. The red dotted line do not appear to be the same as the one we've drawn up

Show your Line Dotted Map.

 

[USAHawk785]

You have to go back to our history for that. The red dotted line do not appear to be the same as the one we've drawn up

Ha ha ha ! Are you referring to maps that also include parts of present-day Eastern Russia as part of your territory? Now, if you place that as your reasoning, then, you might, in the future, try claiming Eastern Russia because it was in your "historical maps".

And I'm sure the RUSSIAN BEAR won't have that at all.

Qing Empire Map of 1856:

Notice, how it claims a great sway of land that is currently part of the Russian Federation.
If you use your historical maps to claim the SCS region, then you are also claiming most of Eastern Russia and all of Mongolia.

I don't think the Kremlin will take too kindly to that.

 

[Zero_wing]

You have to go back to our history for that. The red dotted line do not appear to be the same as the one we've drawn up

History? really then Mongols should claim you then? we are in the 21st century the old empire is gone deal with it.

 

[timetravel]

History? really then Mongols should claim you then? we are in the 21st century the old empire is gone deal with it.

yes mongols should rule chinese again.. all chinese should support the historical claims of mongols and bow before them

 

[Audio]

9 was built, 8 are active, with 30 being planned.

You were still incorrect by saying that there were 60 active. You did not take into account the Ohio Class subs (18 of them) , the Seawolf Class (3) and the Virginia Class (8 active, 9 built, with 30 to be built overall).

That puts the current SUB FORCE of the US NAVY at around 92 , give or take 1. Not 60 as what you had originally stated.

erm...i linked you actual US Navy page with a list of all SSN's in service..total 54 in number, accounted for the Seawolf class as well.

Now there are Ohio class too but i doubt a SSBN would go in there and in any case i thought we were talking about attack subs.

As for your numbers...those are numbers with subs to be commissioned (not in active service yet) and subs built. You cannot patrol with inactive and non-built subs-today.

 

[Thor]

This just goes to show the provocation by the US. If China wanted to do so, they too could have decided to arm other countries like Iran, or even South American Nations to really pis5 the US off but they haven't.....yet the US has its own agenda of keeping its forces in and around the world as if it rules the globe.....

If the Chinese wanted to really harm the US, then today US troops would not be sleeping comfortably in bases across Afghanistan, their body parts would have been paraded as trophies on the walls of Afghan Warlords. This shows the Chinese do not wish to enter in any confrontation with the, yet the US wishes to muster around China.........

All this cry, moan and groan about terrorism and rogue nations..... The US is the only country to have EVER used nuclear weapons, KNOWINGLY killed INNOCENT UNARMED CIVILIANS, not once but TWICE.....

Killed thousands in direct Military attacks around the entire world and millions indirectly through sanctions, like "oil for food".....