US asks India to close Consulates in Afghanistan

[DavyJones]

well some Pakistani posters seem to consider Afghanistan as their colony or something. Really shocking ! Indian consulates have been opened with the consent of the elected Afghan government. Why is Pakistan so interested in closing them down ?

 

[Bhaarat]

indian troops
US only want servants and big labor who can build Afghanistan's roads , toilets and Gatars
However india built terrorist training camps which are usually called indian consulate .
There are already troops like Pak-Troops , the NATO and US forces in this case what need of military like (INDIAN TROOPS)

To reduce the bodybags of US, NATO in return greater role for India. India refused because we are not interested in having to be cannon fodder to protect US/NATO.

BTW, India's toilets, Gatars, roads, and other infrastructure have gained India a lot of respect in Afghanistan.

 

[Bhaarat]

well some Pakistani posters seem to consider Afghanistan as their colony or something. Really shocking ! Indian consulates have been opened with the consent of the elected Afghan government. Why is Pakistan so interested in closing them down ?

Yep, this is the reason why there is deep resentment in Afghanis towards Pakistanis.

 

[Moorkh]

^^^ pakistanis believe that those consulates result in trouble for pakistan.

they might be right or wrong. but it does give them a reason to voice their opinions.

the afgan govt is still very weak and everyone is doing pretty much what he pleases, so their permission in opening the consulates is not really a factor. the factor in question is the blessing of USA.

india has that blessing , end of story.

also when i went through the article i got the feeling that the presence of the consulates is creating problems for the WoT in the following way:

the consulates are pathways for indian aid to reach afgans.

this aid increases goodwill for india in afgan hearts

this goodwill makes afgans more pro-india

pakistan fears getting surrounded by india on the east a pro-india afganistan in north west and pro india iran in south west.

pakistan realises that the WoT it is supporting is getting is getting it surrounded

pakistan threatens to pull out if indian support keeps increasing

US sees this as a big hindrance in conducting the WoT in afganistan

of course india MIGHT be supporting the baluch rebels, but it was doing so even during the taliban rule in afganistan.

india is surely not supporting the TTP as it is not stupid enough to shoot itself in the foot.

so while those consulates do hurt pakistani interests its not through terrorism

 

[Gazzi]

Nice!

Sorry to burst your bubble buddy, but if you think Pakistan can simply hit the reset button when and if the US leaves then you are in a) denial and b) in for a surprise.

There's an interesting thread on the subject, and from what I understand, if the US hopes to succeed in Afghanistan it will have to commit itself to a long term strategy.

When they turn up the heat in Afghanistan in the coming year, expect things to heat up in Pakistan as well. Pakistan cannot sit on the fence forever, the US will eventually prod Pakistan onto its side. Forget reverting back to pre-9/11, Pakistan is stuck between a long COIN op. or revolution.

Also expect the ANA to grow in strength (not to mention the coalition), Pakistan won't find it so easy to muscle its way around Afghanistan anymore, those days are history.

Pakistan will be a net loser if the US wins, because it would exert close to no influence on Afghanistan, but it will lose a lot more if the US loses, what makes you think they can control those groups again? Even still, Pakistan made a bad choice siding with them earlier, you really think they'll make the same mistake again?

Pakistan is in no position to pressure/provoke India especially since this time around India won't quit so easily.

My friend above seems to think the US will remain in Afghanistan forever. Obama is practically looking for ways to get ot of Afghanistan. No doubt, sooner or later they will have to go. what then...........Pakistan will undoubtedly support someone more friendly towards itself. Indian involvement, as before with the Northern Alliance then, will be left in some what tatters, but will pakistan really forget the Indian involvement here.

I am just awaiting the new Kashmir freedom struggle again, something tells me it will me much more fierce then the first. patience is virtue, that is all Pakistan is doing, buying its time.

pakistan knows, the US, if they had plans of "invading" Pakistan, then they would have quickly evaporated. Pakistan itself is struggling to maintain any such law and order in FATA and alike places let alone an outside military with a very hostile people. It is easier said then done and the US now has come to know that.

 

[DavyJones]

Gazzi - there is going to be no Kashmiri freedom struggle ! People there are tired of war and conflict.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

indian troops in Afghanistan? u must be kidding me. They wont be driving around in bombproof humvees, so they'll just be sitting ducks for snipers and ieds

i doubt india would or can send troops to Afghanistan --everyones trying to figure out an exit strategy at the moment

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

well some Pakistani posters seem to consider Afghanistan as their colony or something. Really shocking ! Indian consulates have been opened with the consent of the elected Afghan government. Why is Pakistan so interested in closing them down ?

because we know that consullate activities are not what is going on under the roof.

even americans are starting to understand this.....and if Pakistan is irritated, then we wont feel the need to cooperate. And then it'll just be more problems in Afghanistan.

It has nothing to do with colonies. We dont want you meddling or snooping arout in areas where u shouldnt be

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Yep, this is the reason why there is deep resentment in Afghanis towards Pakistanis.

you may be talking about non-Pakhtun tajik migrants. They are free to express their emotions.

But it is true that a land-locked Afghanistan relies HEAVILY on Pakistani highways network and ports for their economy, soo....

 

[Bhaarat]

indian troops in Afghanistan? u must be kidding me. They wont be driving around in bombproof humvees, so they'll just be sitting ducks for snipers and ieds

IA is one of the best COIN forces in the world. India has been facing insurgency from a long time and has mastered the art of quelling it without largescale collateral damage(I am sure Pakistanis disagree with collateral damage point) to the extent that the local populace starts supporting IA. This has been IA's speciality in insurgency fighting.

i doubt india would or can send troops to Afghanistan --everyones trying to figure out an exit strategy at the moment

India has refused because

-there is resentment against US/NATO in afghanistan and if we go with them, then that resentment could be directed towards us aswell.
-we dont want our soldiers to die for US' mission.
-US refused to give India an independent command in Afghanistan.
-the status quo is working pretty well for us.

India can send its troops. It may do so if attacks on its consulates increase in future. But I can assure you that, India wont be blowing trumpets to advertise IA's presence in Afghanistan, it would be done through backdoor.
Now that there is a supply line for India through Chahabar and delaram, it is not as difficult nor is it dependent on Pakistan.


Exit strategy is being evolved, true. But its not for immediate future, say, next 5yrs.

 

[Bhaarat]

you may be talking about non-Pakhtun tajik migrants. They are free to express their emotions.

But it is true that a land-locked Afghanistan relies HEAVILY on Pakistani highways network and ports for their economy, soo....

I am talking about Pakhtun, I dont know the exact feelings of Tajiks. Infact, I suspect they may be more warm towards Pakistan than Pakhtuns.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

au contraire

 

[Bhaarat]

au contraire

which subject are you reffering to?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

your last post...

 

[Bhaarat]

your last post...

So, Tajiks hate you more? Why?