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US asks India to close Consulates in Afghanistan

I never have understood what exactly India wants in Afghanistan. IMO it is a bloody waste of Indian money there,might as well use it in India.
India can reach CARs through other means and ways too.

So the only aim India in mind about its infulence policy in Afghanistan is simply to reduce Pakistan's strategic importance and weaken Pakistan.

I wonder when neo-liberals come with wishful thinking trying to force a flawed notion down the throats of Pakistanis that India is not a threat to Pakistan.


I say India is the biggest threat to Pakistan and it will remain so as long as it has not succeeded in breaking Pakistan.
 
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AFAIK India was requested to contribute personnel to coalition forces in Afghanistan but India refused and agreed to contribute in development, India has deployed around 380 commandos from the Indo-Tibetan Border Police to protect members of India's Border Roads Organization from attacks by the Taliban. The BRO is working on the 218-km Zaranj-Delaram highway, a strategic road that will connect Kandahar to Iran border. India does have few consulates in Afghanistan
This is what Pakistan does not like as in its backyard.

This is not contributing to development but rather India is working for its own interests in Afghanistan Not for Afghans.

No one likes an enemy in its backyard.
 
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This is not contributing to development but rather India is working for its own interests in Afghanistan Not for Afghans.

No one likes an enemy in its backyard.

According to Indian officials, there are currently about four thousand Indian workers and security personnel working on different relief and reconstruction projects in Afghanistan. Since 2006, following increased incidents of kidnappings and attacks, India has sent the country's mountain-trained paramilitary force tasked with guarding its border with China, to guard its workers; there are about five hundred police deployed in Afghanistan currently. India is involved in a wide array of development projects in Afghanistan; it is building several key roads, including the Zaranj-Delaram highway in southwest Afghanistan near the Iranian border; it helped Kabul build its new parliament building; it trained Afghan police officers, diplomats and civil servants; and it has provided support in the areas of health, education, transportation, power, and telecommunications.

excerpts from

India-Afghanistan Relations - washingtonpost.com

Please read the full article.
 
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Editorial: Indian red rag in Afghanistan

The top US and NATO commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, in his latest situation report to President Barack Obama, has suggested the scaling back of India’s “influence” in Afghanistan. In his opinion this Indian factor is “jeopardising US efforts to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda extremists”.

In the chapter about “external influences”, he also talks about Pakistan and Iran, the former providing safe havens to Al Qaeda while its ISI “is aiding the Taliban”; the latter is blamed for using its Al Quds force to “train and arm elements of the Taliban”. The report also reveals that “the US has been asking India to scale back its operations in Afghanistan, urging it to shut down some of its ‘consulates’ located in the areas where India has no major economic interests”.

General McChrystal thinks that the growing Indian political and economic influence in Afghanistan “is likely to exacerbate regional tensions”. This is clearly a reference to Pakistan whose Afghan policy is greatly influenced by the growing Indian presence in Afghanistan. The burden of his message to President Obama, in addition to the increase in troops he has demanded, is that India must downsize if Pakistan’s cooperation is to continue in Afghanistan.

One must be clear in one’s mind that in many ways the mess in Afghanistan is actually a spillover of the Indo-Pak conflict in the region of South Asia. Pakistan’s policy of “strategic depth”, which climaxed with the hijack of an Indian airliner to Kandahar in 1999, was in reaction to the unresolved dispute over Kashmir which created the “threat of India” that Pakistan felt “from the east”. Even today, as Pakistan struggles against the Taliban, 80 percent of its army is stationed on the Indian border.

Afghanistan has traditionally used India as “a potential counterweight in its relationship with Pakistan”. After Pakistan backed the Pashtun Taliban in the mid-1990s, New Delhi provided assistance to the Northern Alliance led by Ahmad Shah Masoud comprising Tajik and other non-Pashtun ethnic groups. The current Karzai government is soft on the assistance it is getting from India while using the Indian presence in Afghanistan as a countervailing factor against Pakistan.

Since 2001, India has committed $1.2 billion for Afghanistan’s reconstruction, becoming the largest regional donor to the country. It is helped in this penetration by its good relations with the states of Central Asia; and Iran with whom it collaborates on projects inside Afghanistan considered hostile to its interests by Pakistan. Consequently an isolated Pakistan thinks that India’s establishment of an air base in Farkhor, Tajikistan, is part of an Indian strategy of encirclement.

Since Tajikistan is run by an Uzbek elite, the growing Indian presence in the regional neighbourhood is also seen as being backed by Russia. Farkhor is the first Indian military airbase overseas, and “is convenient for transportation of men and material to and from Afghanistan”. Pakistan can hardly respond adequately to this challenge except that it can resume the cross-border proxy war it had given up and make India pay a price for its checkmating move in Afghanistan.

Therefore, it looks that instead of normalising their relations, India and Pakistan may escalate their conflict. The Afghanistan imbroglio will not be sorted out if this conflict heats up. Islamabad knows that despite its support to the non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan, India can hardly fight a war and win where the US and NATO think they are losing. Perversely, some in Pakistan might strategise their next moves based on the thinking that India will get its comeuppance in Afghanistan once the US and NATO leave Afghanistan.

For Pakistan, India is a red rag in Afghanistan. But the solution of this complication lies not in starting up another proxy war but to move quickly to defuse the tension and normalise relations. Being close together, India and Pakistan can harm each other easily, but it would be wiser to recognise the vulnerabilities shared by both and come together synergetically to benefit from each other’s strength.

The Indo-Pak normalisation of relations is also important because getting India to “rationalise” its presence in Afghanistan is going to be difficult for President Obama. As long as there are tensions between the two countries, the problem in Afghanistan is going to become more compounded. Pakistan can live with Uzbekistan and Iran wielding more clout in Kabul, but not with India staring down the Durand Line which is not even properly demarcated.

The ball is in India’s court. It must stop putting pre-conditions on the resumption of a dialogue with Pakistan. Also, the dialogue should come to grips with conflict resolution not just on the Eastern border but also on the Western border of Pakistan. The proxy wars must end.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Does someone doubt India would refuse to leave if US requests it ? Then why would India harm US interest ?
 
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According to Indian officials, there are currently about four thousand Indian workers and security personnel working on different relief and reconstruction projects in Afghanistan. Since 2006, following increased incidents of kidnappings and attacks, India has sent the country's mountain-trained paramilitary force tasked with guarding its border with China, to guard its workers; there are about five hundred police deployed in Afghanistan currently. India is involved in a wide array of development projects in Afghanistan; it is building several key roads, including the Zaranj-Delaram highway in southwest Afghanistan near the Iranian border; it helped Kabul build its new parliament building; it trained Afghan police officers, diplomats and civil servants; and it has provided support in the areas of health, education, transportation, power, and telecommunications.

excerpts from

India-Afghanistan Relations - washingtonpost.com

Please read the full article.


they are protecting Indian workers not taking part in war.

Secondly the construction of key roads in Afghanistan is part of Indian interests.
 
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they are protecting Indian workers not taking part in war.

True.

Secondly the construction of key roads in Afghanistan is part of Indian interests.

India is not only constructing roads it is doing lots of development activities.

I wonder why neighbors are not helping or may be I am unaware of development activities done by them.
 
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Does someone doubt India would refuse to leave if US requests it ? Then why would India harm US interest ?

US is trying to cling to last straws (read banking on the misconception that India might of any use to US interests in Afghanistan which is indeed a flawed thinking and not a reality) US is not in a position to order India to get out of Afghanistan as it is still trying to bank on India.

US is loosing ground in Afghanistan, this can be judged from Karazi's rigging the elections while Americans failed to do anything.

This is amusing how despite US presence Karzai succeeded in surpassing them :).

US will continue to suffer unless it is ready to realise that there few stalkholders in the region and the real stalkholders are Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran NOT India or China.
 
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US is trying to cling to last straws (read banking on the misconception that India might of any use to US interests in Afghanistan which is indeed a flawed thinking and not a reality) US is not in a position to order India to get out of Afghanistan as it is still trying to bank on India.

US is loosing ground in Afghanistan, this can be judged from Karazi's rigging the elections while Americans failed to do anything.

This is amusing how despite US presence Karzai succeeded in surpassing them :).

US will continue to suffer unless it is ready to realise that there few stalkholders in the region and the real stalkholders are Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran NOT India or China.

I do not understand why only Pakistan has problem in Afghanistan ? Why not Iran, Turkmenisthan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan they are also neighbors and predominantly Muslim countries.
 
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I do not understand why only Pakistan has problem in Afghanistan ? Why not Iran, Turkmenisthan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan they are also neighbors and predominantly Muslim countries.

Because we have India on one side of our border thats why.

We dont have any problem if India leave us alone and do not poke its nose in an area which is not at all linked to her in anyway.

On the other hand Iran does have a problem as long as US is trying to exclude it from the trio and the Trio for peace is Afghanistan-Pakistan-Iran.
 
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Because we have India on one side of our border thats why.

We dont have any problem if India leave us alone and do not poke its nose in an area which is not at all linked to her in anyway.

On the other hand Iran does have a problem as long as US is trying to exclude it from the trio and the Trio for peace is Afghanistan-Pakistan-Iran.

Well America was using the same trio for the past 2 Decades and look the the mess Afghanistan has become....whats the plan..... continue to make a Mess of Afghanistan for couple of centuries?

Why should Afghanistan bear the brunt of Pakistan's insecurity?
 
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AFAIK India was requested to contribute personnel to coalition forces in Afghanistan but India refused and agreed to contribute in development, India has deployed around 380 commandos from the Indo-Tibetan Border Police to protect members of India's Border Roads Organization from attacks by the Taliban. The BRO is working on the 218-km Zaranj-Delaram highway, a strategic road that will connect Kandahar to Iran border. India does have few consulates in Afghanistan
This is what Pakistan does not like as in its backyard.

Wrong..US never requested India to send troops there.Not even when the Iraq theater was so bad that a majority of troops were stuck there instead of Afghanistan.
 
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Because we have India on one side of our border thats why.

We dont have any problem if India leave us alone and do not poke its nose in an area which is not at all linked to her in anyway.

On the other hand Iran does have a problem as long as US is trying to exclude it from the trio and the Trio for peace is Afghanistan-Pakistan-Iran.

But as per thread title Indian presence does not harm US.
 
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