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US approves sale of 22 Guardian drones to India

Useless drones China make far more better drones at cheaper effective price

The chinese drones need a huge rubber band to be launched and a strong gust of wind to land it.

22 surveillance drones for 2 billion USD?

Good deal!:tup: India should have bought 220 for 20 billion USD. :D:D

The US is ripping off India for nothing. :enjoy:

Do the chinese have a drone which can fly for 27 hours and climb 50,000 feet?
 
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Insted of developing their own Government of India is buying Costly drones from America.

And thay mock Arabs...
Arabs spend 25% of their budget on arms purchase, much more than what they spend on education and healthcare.
 
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Indeed a game changer from geopolitical perspective along with stature it grants to India being a Major Defence Partner. This doesn't ring any alarm immediately to northern neighbor but in long term it is certainly to be seen as American tact to counter China.
By the way weapon experts here on PDF can shed more light on what implications it is supposed to make militarily in the region.

Not a weapon expert but these are for BAMS use to augment P8is. Navy was always interested in them. The interesting thing that the fuselage is fitted with the same seavalue multi mode radar that are used in P8i. These also have IFF and EO/IR device that is also used in predator b with both LOS and beyond LOS datalinks. This is very effective as the manned MPAs but extremely cost effective. The endurance is like 42 hrs and that is huge.

I was more interested in Triton but this more than enough for the time being.
 
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100 milion apeace lol

for unarmed drones why?

ask for x 47 b

As of now, it might be life cycle support for all drones and some possible high end modifications. Not sure but that's what it seems as India always customised its requirements.
 
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As of now, it might be life cycle support for all drones and some possible high end modifications. Not sure but that's what it seems as India always customised its requirements.

We are not a NATO nation. Means either we need to sign the agreements which USA say [like BECA etc ] or pay the US Armed forces to buy services from US military satellite.

Yes you read it correct. The American weapons generally are not compatible with our communication and guidance systems.

Like for SATCOM , we will likely buy services from US Military Satellites , as GSAT 7 of Navy is not compatible.

And this 2 billion USD also includes this.
 
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We are not a NATO nation. Means either we need to sign the agreements which USA say [like BECA etc ] or pay the US Armed forces to buy services from US military satellite.

Yes you read it correct. The American weapons generally are not compatible with our communication and guidance systems.

Like for SATCOM , we will likely buy services from US Military Satellites , as GSAT 7 of Navy is not compatible.

And this 2 billion USD also includes this.

The BECA, CISMOA should actually bring the cost down IMO. But retrofitting those with Indian datalink system might have some additional cost but not completely balance it out. While that is an argument, I was suggesting some higher value item in the disguise of Guardian else similar system from Israel come cheaper. Heck the Chinese sold the wing loong $1 million a pop.

There is something here that is not meeting the eye.
 
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India is being fleeced by the US or whoever sells India some classy maal.

Mother India always bleeds on such acts, nothing new.
Russian A/C was promised for free, then came the Russian waltz with a 2.3 billion bill attached.
All the Russian spare parts are damn expensive yet the supply is alway erratic.

But there is no end to this misery, this is regular business for India who is always forking out dollars.
Just because 68% arms purchase must be met from overseas.

India is not ready, nor it will be in 50 years, just because it always would be outpaced with newer foreign technology cause India does not spend a dime on R&D.

India's R&D is meager .85%!
What a shame.
 
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Can be arm?

Yes.

Increased Reaper Arsenal Will Enable the Reaper to Destroy a Wider Range of Targets
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SCOUT WARRIOR
Tuesday at 11:07 PM

New weapons for the Reaper could increase range and number of attacks per mission.

By releasing a GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munition from a MQ-9 Reaper in a live weapons exercise, the Air Force made history and vastly widened the attack envelope, target set and mission scope for its workhorse drone.

The GPS-guided GBU-38 precision bomb, dropped at Nellis Air Force Base Nevada, brings new offensive strike ability to the Reaper drone - a 66-foot medium altitude aircraft often used for both ISR and precision strikes on enemy targets.

The Reaper will now fire the AGM-114 Hellfire missile, a 500-pound laser-guided weapon called the GBU-12 Paveway II, and GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munitions or JDAMs - free-fall bombs engineered with a GPS and Inertial Navigation Systems guidance kit, Air Force acquisition officials told Scout Warrior. JDAM technology allows the weapons to drop in adverse weather conditions and pinpoint targets with “smart” accuracy.

"For the past 10 years, skilled MQ-9 aircraft aircrew have been employing AGM-114 Hellfire missiles and GBU-12 laser-guided bombs, but the JDAM brings new global positioning system capabilities," a statement from the Air Force News Service said.

"The GBU-38, just like the Hellfire and GBU-12, is a very accurate weapon and the fact that it’s GPS-guided gives us another versatile way to guide the weapon, specifically, through inclement weather onto targets,” Capt. Scott, a 26th WPS weapons instructor pilot, said in an Air Force statement.

Once released from the aircraft, the JDAM autonomously navigates to the designated target coordinates.

Air Force data on JDAMs says target coordinates can be loaded into the aircraft before takeoff, manually altered by the aircrew before weapon release, or automatically entered through target designation with onboard aircraft sensors.

"In its most accurate mode, the JDAM system will provide a weapon circular error probable of 5 meters or less during free flight when GPS data is available. If GPS data is denied, the JDAM will achieve a 30-meter CEP or less for free flight times up to 100 seconds with a GPS quality handoff from the aircraft," an Air Force statement said.

JDAMs can be launched from very low to very high altitudes in a dive, toss or loft and in straight and level flight with an on-axis or off-axis delivery, service information adds.

Adding more fire-power to the Reaper is an effort which has been underway for at least several years, senior Air Force officials explained.

In an interview in 2015, the Air Force Military Deputy for Acquisition, Lt. Gen. Arnold Bunch, told Scout Warrior that the service had begun the process of adding new weapons to the Reaper, a process which will likely involve engineering a universal weapons interface.

“We are looking at what kind of weapons do we need to integrate in. We're looking at anything that is in our inventory, including the small diameter bomb. We're working to get universal armament interface with an open mission systems architecture,” Bunch said.

A universal interface would allow the Reaper to more quickly integrate new weapons technology as it emerges and efficiently swap or replace bombs on the drone without much difficulty, Bunch explained.

“If I can design to that interface, then it costs me less money and takes me less time to integrate a new weapon - I don’t want to go in and open up the software of the airplane. As long as I get the interface right, I can integrate that new weapon much sooner,” he added.

Drone attacks from further ranges could reduce risk to the platform and help strikes against Al Qaeda or ISIS targets to better achieve an element of surprise. At the same time, the GBU-38 is also designed for major-scale force-on-force warfare against a near-peer.

Furthermore, additional air-to-surface guided weapons could add mission possibilities to the current Hellfire and laser-guided bombs able to hit smaller and mobile targets, enabling the Reaper drone to have success with attacks against groups of ISIS or other enemy fighters that reduce the risk of hurting nearby civilians. Both ISIS and Al Qaeda are known for deliberately seeking to blend in with civilian populations to better protect themselves from U.S. drone strikes.

Other potential advantages to adding to the arsenal of weapons able to fire from the include an improved ability to strike smaller targets, mobile targets or terrorists, such as groups of enemy fighters on-the-move in pick-up trucks and enemies at further ranges.

Also, at some point in the future it may not be beyond the realm of possibility to arm the Reaper for air-to-air engagements as well.


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U.S. Air Force
Another new possibility for the Reaper drone could be the addition for the GBU-39B or Small Diameter Bomb, Bunch said.

The Small Diameter Bomb uses a smart weapons carrier able to include four 250-pound bombs with a range of 40 nautical miles. The bomb’s small size reduces collateral damage and would allow the Reaper to achieve more kills or attack strikes per mission, Air Force officials said.

The Small Diameter Bomb, which can strike single or multiple targets, uses GPS precision. It is currently fired from the F-15E, F-16, F-117, B-1, B-2, F-22 and F-35, Air Force officials stated.

The Air Force currently operates 104 Reaper drones and has recently begun configuring the platform with additional fuel tanks to increase range. The Reaper Extended Range, or ER as it’s called, is intended to substantially increase and build upon the current 4,000-pound fuel capacity of the drone with a range of 1,150 miles.

The upgrades to Reaper, would add two 1,350-pound fuel tanks engineered to increase the drones endurance from 16 hours to more than 22 hours, service officials said

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1606496-air-force-fires-gbu-38-jdam-from-reaper-drone
 
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Increased Reaper Arsenal Will Enable the Reaper to Destroy a Wider Range of Targets

1ce18e0.jpg

SCOUT WARRIOR
Tuesday at 11:07 PM


New weapons for the Reaper could increase range and number of attacks per mission.

By releasing a GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munition from a MQ-9 Reaper in a live weapons exercise, the Air Force made history and vastly widened the attack envelope, target set and mission scope for its workhorse drone.

The GPS-guided GBU-38 precision bomb, dropped at Nellis Air Force Base Nevada, brings new offensive strike ability to the Reaper drone - a 66-foot medium altitude aircraft often used for both ISR and precision strikes on enemy targets.

The Reaper will now fire the AGM-114 Hellfire missile, a 500-pound laser-guided weapon called the GBU-12 Paveway II, and GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munitions or JDAMs - free-fall bombs engineered with a GPS and Inertial Navigation Systems guidance kit, Air Force acquisition officials told Scout Warrior. JDAM technology allows the weapons to drop in adverse weather conditions and pinpoint targets with “smart” accuracy.

"For the past 10 years, skilled MQ-9 aircraft aircrew have been employing AGM-114 Hellfire missiles and GBU-12 laser-guided bombs, but the JDAM brings new global positioning system capabilities," a statement from the Air Force News Service said.

"The GBU-38, just like the Hellfire and GBU-12, is a very accurate weapon and the fact that it’s GPS-guided gives us another versatile way to guide the weapon, specifically, through inclement weather onto targets,” Capt. Scott, a 26th WPS weapons instructor pilot, said in an Air Force statement.

Once released from the aircraft, the JDAM autonomously navigates to the designated target coordinates.

Air Force data on JDAMs says target coordinates can be loaded into the aircraft before takeoff, manually altered by the aircrew before weapon release, or automatically entered through target designation with onboard aircraft sensors.

"In its most accurate mode, the JDAM system will provide a weapon circular error probable of 5 meters or less during free flight when GPS data is available. If GPS data is denied, the JDAM will achieve a 30-meter CEP or less for free flight times up to 100 seconds with a GPS quality handoff from the aircraft," an Air Force statement said.

JDAMs can be launched from very low to very high altitudes in a dive, toss or loft and in straight and level flight with an on-axis or off-axis delivery, service information adds.

Adding more fire-power to the Reaper is an effort which has been underway for at least several years, senior Air Force officials explained.

In an interview in 2015, the Air Force Military Deputy for Acquisition, Lt. Gen. Arnold Bunch, told Scout Warrior that the service had begun the process of adding new weapons to the Reaper, a process which will likely involve engineering a universal weapons interface.

“We are looking at what kind of weapons do we need to integrate in. We're looking at anything that is in our inventory, including the small diameter bomb. We're working to get universal armament interface with an open mission systems architecture,” Bunch said.

A universal interface would allow the Reaper to more quickly integrate new weapons technology as it emerges and efficiently swap or replace bombs on the drone without much difficulty, Bunch explained.

“If I can design to that interface, then it costs me less money and takes me less time to integrate a new weapon - I don’t want to go in and open up the software of the airplane. As long as I get the interface right, I can integrate that new weapon much sooner,” he added.

Drone attacks from further ranges could reduce risk to the platform and help strikes against Al Qaeda or ISIS targets to better achieve an element of surprise. At the same time, the GBU-38 is also designed for major-scale force-on-force warfare against a near-peer.

Furthermore, additional air-to-surface guided weapons could add mission possibilities to the current Hellfire and laser-guided bombs able to hit smaller and mobile targets, enabling the Reaper drone to have success with attacks against groups of ISIS or other enemy fighters that reduce the risk of hurting nearby civilians. Both ISIS and Al Qaeda are known for deliberately seeking to blend in with civilian populations to better protect themselves from U.S. drone strikes.

Other potential advantages to adding to the arsenal of weapons able to fire from the include an improved ability to strike smaller targets, mobile targets or terrorists, such as groups of enemy fighters on-the-move in pick-up trucks and enemies at further ranges.

Also, at some point in the future it may not be beyond the realm of possibility to arm the Reaper for air-to-air engagements as well.


090127-F-7383P-001.JPG
U.S. Air Force
Another new possibility for the Reaper drone could be the addition for the GBU-39B or Small Diameter Bomb, Bunch said.

The Small Diameter Bomb uses a smart weapons carrier able to include four 250-pound bombs with a range of 40 nautical miles. The bomb’s small size reduces collateral damage and would allow the Reaper to achieve more kills or attack strikes per mission, Air Force officials said.

The Small Diameter Bomb, which can strike single or multiple targets, uses GPS precision. It is currently fired from the F-15E, F-16, F-117, B-1, B-2, F-22 and F-35, Air Force officials stated.

The Air Force currently operates 104 Reaper drones and has recently begun configuring the platform with additional fuel tanks to increase range. The Reaper Extended Range, or ER as it’s called, is intended to substantially increase and build upon the current 4,000-pound fuel capacity of the drone with a range of 1,150 miles.

The upgrades to Reaper, would add two 1,350-pound fuel tanks engineered to increase the drones endurance from 16 hours to more than 22 hours, service officials said

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1606496-air-force-fires-gbu-38-jdam-from-reaper-drone
 
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simple. a 100million item sold by even Chinese can actually be developed on just 200k money.
us is earning billions.
 
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simple. a 100million item sold by even Chinese can actually be developed on just 200k money.
us is earning billions.
Indians aren't stupid. They won't make the deal unless they value it as billion-dollar worth. Value is a subjective concept.
 
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Indians aren't stupid. They won't make the deal unless they value it as billion-dollar worth. Value is a subjective concept.
but the bitter truth is that both Indians an Pakistanis feel proud of buying expensive equipments by giving at least 10 fold profit to the exporter. some times up to 50 times profit is taken from us.
 
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