'URI attack', Whose responsibility/Accountability ?

[Arsalan]

Ultra nationalism........We have not asked the right questions to ourselves....

1) How did they manage to cross over (this we may have an answer)
2) Even if they manage to cross how did they travel all the way to uri undetected????
3) There said to be credible intel provided on a possible attack, In spite of that how did they manage to attack?
4) The way things look there is some kind of inside help, Why are we not looking at it...
5) Counter intel guys couldnt pick the insider helps..... Why??

Whom to be blamed??? We ourselves.......

and did they actually crossed over! This is a very important question that majority of people do not ask themselves. WE have all seen how irresponsible the media reporting can be, even how boastful and bigots the political leaders are!! Are we being fooled by them again? Are the allegations only because they are MUCH MUCH easier than addressing the real problem and resolving that?

You cannot make such a HUGE assumption and try to come to an unbiased and close to reality conclusions. It is like starting off on the wrong foot.

 

[nair]

and did they actually crossed over! This is a very important question that majority of people do not ask themselves.

As of now there is no evidence to believe that they have come from some where in kashmir (or any other part of country) and inside the county there is no such facility to provide training to such morons..... Yes there are areas, but these guys are trained well.... and we have a history of events.....

WE have all seen how irresponsible the media reporting can be, even how boastful and bigots the political leaders are!!

Well I agree on media.... and i do not know if you noticed, most of the sane indians here hate the way our media works....(RW guys also hate the media but for other reasons)... Political leaders..... Well they are the same ever where... India/Pak/US

You cannot make such a HUGE assumption and try to come to an unbiased and close to reality conclusions. It is like starting off on the wrong foot.

Was there any action from forces??? No right...

 

[fenku]

Today's morning news....there whole nation seems to jobless...

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

As of now there is no evidence to believe that they have come from some where in kashmir (or any other part of country) and inside the county there is no such facility to provide training to such morons.....

Is there any evidence that they came from Pakistan?

Especially now that all the "news" of "Pakistani markings on the guns" turned out to be false?

 

[Arsalan]

As of now there is no evidence to believe that they have come from some where in Kashmir (or any other part of country) and inside the county there is no such facility to provide training to such morons..... Yes there are areas, but these guys are trained well.... and we have a history of events.....

The problem is there is no evidence otherwise either!
Dont you think it will be a too important finding that cannot be ignored and that we cannot and should not be taking a single step forward without making certain about this one point. Think and this and then see how many steps we have taken and how far things have come or at least appear to have come in the last week! This is a very simple point. These matters should be handled with care and responsibility and saying that there is no evidence that they came from within Kashmir or India so it means they came from Pakistan even though there is no evidence of that either. This is what causes so much warmongering and hat speech and that is when things get out of control.

Well I agree on media.... and i do not know if you noticed, most of the sane Indians here hate the way our media works....(RW guys also hate the media but for other reasons)... Political leaders..... Well they are the same ever where... India/Pak/US

Yup, i have noticed that and that is why i mentioned this to you as i feel you can understand and agree with this.

 

[nair]

The problem is there is no evidence otherwise either!

As of now "None" in public domain......

Dont you think it will be a too important finding that cannot be ignored and that we cannot and should not be taking a single step forward without making certain about this one point

If you go by History, even when there was hard evidence India has not taken a single step forward..... You can be rest assured that there wont be any step towards any direction until and unless there is "convincing evidence" with us.....

Think and this and then see how many steps we have taken and how far things have come or at least appear to have come in the last week!

This is how India pak relation always been.... One step forward... two step behind....... This is not the first time, and not going to be last......

These matters should be handled with care and responsibility and saying that there is no evidence that they came from within Kashmir or India so it means they came from Pakistan even though there is no evidence of that either. This is what causes so much warmongering and hat speech and that is when things get out of control.

We are discussing things based on what is available in public domain...

Is there any evidence that they came from Pakistan?

Especially now that all the "news" of "Pakistani markings on the guns" turned out to be false?

Not in public domain yet... But there are 2 GPS devices of which 1 is been sent for retrieving data..... If the idea was to blame pakistan, why would NIA release such a statement.... Btw NIA is not a foreign agency...... There are guys who jumped the gun i agree......

In India you do not have training facilities to get a guy trained to the level which they have been.........

 

[Arsalan]

As of now "None" in public domain......

And that same public is the one i am saying is being "purposely" misguided!
So unless there is evidence it should have been kept quite and the gov and whatever sensible people they could find should have tried to hold back the horses. That was not the case and look what was made out of the situation with practically NOTHING in hand.

If you go by History, even when there was hard evidence India has not taken a single step forward..... You can be rest assured that there wont be any step towards any direction until and unless there is "convincing evidence" with us.....

All that evidence is again something we never were able to agree upon. The efforts to make sure that we can remain questionable and that is true for both sides as well.

This is how India pak relation always been.... One step forward... two step behind....... This is not the first time, and not going to be last......

But that is not right, right?

We are discussing things based on what is available in public domain...

we should be as it is the public we are talking about and how it was and is being mislead.

Not in public domain yet... But there are 2 GPS devices of which 1 is been sent for retrieving data..... If the idea was to blame Pakistan, why would NIA release such a statement.... Btw NIA is not a foreign agency...... There are guys who jumped the gun i agree......

That is the point, the jumped the gun!

It started with nothing in hand, then there were markings on weapons, then food packets and medicines were found, then they vanished and a GPS was found. That GPS too have been sent to US to retrieve the data and just look at the claims being made by even government officials and ex-service men!! For God's sake, at least wait for that data to come but look at all that have been said in the last few days. I have said this earlier as well, had the media just held back for a few hours before "uncovering" that "Pakistan's hand" behind all that happened, that would have at least looked much more authentic. However, they had to break the news! No matter what.

In India you do not have training facilities to get a guy trained to the level which they have been.........

Sir these are speculations, again, i will stress on the need to stop with the blame game and talk based on some facts and not assumptions. Indian paramilitary have good facilities right? What if i start saying that since there is no evidence that they were from Pakistan, and there is no in public domain, and that there is no such training facility in India but that of there military so it means it was a false flag and the attackers were trained by the IA.
This will sound ridiculous right? However it will be just as much insane as putting all the blame of the failed policies and its reactions on Pakistan.

I am a Pakistani and that means our thinking and approach to such things is not too different. I can tell you that it is MUCH easier for authorities to blame there screw ups on others rather than actually doing something to fix the real problem.

 

[nair]

All that evidence is again something we never were able to agree upon. The efforts to make sure that we can remain questionable and that is true for both sides as well

That is the problem.... Evidence... We all know what has happened when we have provided evidence, let us say in the case of 26/11 - What kind of actions were taken??? How many guys are prosecuted???? The guy put on jail managed to father a baby while in jail (seriously??)..... If you look at the pathankot attack, The first time Pak investigators were allowed inside india to investigate a terror attack, and there was a return visit by NIA was offered to investigate further.... What happened??? Current govt (also NS) put lot of efforts (risking their public perception ) towards peace, and one must agree NS also reciprocated...... But what is the out come - "Nothing"

But that is not right, right?

Now everyone knows that this not right... But when you have people who does not want peaceful relationship between the nations, this is what happens.....

we should be as it is the public we are talking about and how it was and is being mislead.

Again there are misconceptions... Who are the public?? The one we see in twitter, FB and other social media.... How many of us discuss this issue with our friends?? I have never.... we have other important issues to discuss - India is a country of 1.2 billion, and if i could make a wild guess 1.1 wont even bother about all these issues.....

Sir these are speculations, again, i will stress on the need to stop with the blame game and talk based on some facts and not assumptions. Indian paramilitary have good facilities right? What if i start saying that since there is no evidence that they were from Pakistan, and there is no in public domain, and that there is no such training facility in India but that of there military so it means it was a false flag and the attackers were trained by the IA.
This will sound ridiculous right? However it will be just as much insane as putting all the blame of the failed policies and its reactions on Pakistan.

I agree that the point i made cannot be considered as a proof, but then that is a truth......

I am a Pakistani and that means our thinking and approach to such things is not too different. I can tell you that it is MUCH easier for authorities to blame there screw ups on others rather than actually doing something to fix the real problem.

I think you should go back and read my first post in this thread

 

[Arsalan]

That is the problem.... Evidence... We all know what has happened when we have provided evidence, let us say in the case of 26/11 - What kind of actions were taken??? How many guys are prosecuted???? The guy put on jail managed to father a baby while in jail (seriously??)..... If you look at the pathankot attack, The first time Pak investigators were allowed inside india to investigate a terror attack, and there was a return visit by NIA was offered to investigate further.... What happened??? Current govt (also NS) put lot of efforts (risking their public perception ) towards peace, and one must agree NS also reciprocated...... But what is the out come - "Nothing"

As i just said, the seriousness and the honesty in those "efforts" is something we still do not agree on. AND that it happens from both sides. It is a bitter pill to swallow but that is how it is.

Now everyone knows that this not right... But when you have people who does not want peaceful relationship between the nations, this is what happens.....

Still man, they are OUR people aren't they? may be it is us who are responsible for all this. Blame Pakistan for terrorism and point fingers at "people" who do not want peace should not excuse us for actually not walking the right way.

Again there are misconceptions... Who are the public?? The one we see in twitter, FB and other social media.... How many of us discuss this issue with our friends?? I have never.... we have other important issues to discuss - India is a country of 1.2 billion, and if i could make a wild guess 1.1 wont even bother about all these issues.....

I agree that the point i made cannot be considered as a proof, but then that is a truth......

So it comes a full circle and back to "irresponsible media"
Again, it puts even more emphasis on the fact that people should not be misguided by some idiots in government for cheap support of some media goons for ratings. And that it is people who should not let that happen!!

From what the stance now is, all we have seen the media and those online public do was nothing but bull 5hitting!

I think you should go back and read my first post in this thread

I loved that one. I start my post in this thread by a quote reply to that particular post janab.
Just saying that one question should be added to those all important questions as that is actually THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR and we cannot base that on assumptions and then hope to get to the right conclusion!

 

[Hellfire]

Is there any evidence that they came from Pakistan?

Especially now that all the "news" of "Pakistani markings on the guns" turned out to be false?

They are not false. The statement has not been retracted by the DGMO. Please be very clear on that.

However, the markings mean jack. That is not how GoI is now proceeding, there has been a mid-course correction. The NIA statement had been made deliberately over this.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Today's morning news....there whole nation seems to jobless...

Do they have his id card ?
How come we believe that he is a Pakistani or not an indian Muslim ?

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

That is the problem.... Evidence... We all know what has happened when we have provided evidence, let us say in the case of 26/11 - What kind of actions were taken??? How many guys are prosecuted???? The guy put on jail managed to father a baby while in jail (seriously??)..... If you look at the pathankot attack, The first time Pak investigators were allowed inside india to investigate a terror attack, and there was a return visit by NIA was offered to investigate further.... What happened??? Current govt (also NS) put lot of efforts (risking their public perception ) towards peace, and one must agree NS also reciprocated...... But what is the out come - "Nothing

What did you do about that yadav guy ? (Onduty officer)

 

[coffee_cup]

Be assured I will be voiceferous about the elements within Pakistan which want to see my country splintered.
But India must realise putting your house in order also means fixing responsibility for slipping up.

Have you EVER thought the same about those fanatic elements in your country who have been sponsoring cross-border terrorism in the region for more than half a century? And gloat so much about their support for Mukti Bahini, LTTE, BLA, TTP etc?

I agree, everyone should put own house in order. We Pakistanis feel the same here and despite knowing that more than 90% of terrorist attacks in Pakistan are Indian sponsored, we do not start jumping and accusing India outright after every attack within few minutes.

We feel it is our responsibility to protect our schools, hospitals, buses, funerals, churches, mosques from foreign sponsored terrorism.

 

[nair]

What did you do about that yadav guy ? (Onduty officer)

Where is he these days??? Yerwada Jail???

 

[zebra7]

And who is this Sanjeev Bhatt kindly post.