'URI attack', Whose responsibility/Accountability ?

[Abba_Dabba_Jabba]

One question from side, once again.

Keep it clean guys, I know from last 4-5 days lot of useless trolling going on here.

Whose responsibility or rather the question should have been who should be accountable for the Uri attack ?

Every time we start blaming Pakistan for such attacks, I know Pakistan allows anti-India elements inside their territory for their so called "Good Terrorism". But was the army ill equipped or did somebody tied their hands ? Since the attacks there are only 2 parties are blamed for the attack, at least on Twitter & news media :

1. Pakistan whole country.
2. Indian Govt for tying the hands of Army.

But according to me the real responsibility of the attack should have been of the top Army personnel who are assigned the job of deciding the plans of defending the army camps or the LOC.

I respect the level of professionalism shown by the Armed forces and their non-interference in countries internal/political affairs is commendable, unlike our neighbours we can proudly say that "Our State has an Army" rather than "Our Army has a State".

But still, do you all think that the Army just got away very easily in between all this chaos created by the Media & the Government ?

My Ans : I think there should be a mechanism created within the Army or may be by the SC regarding the accountability of Armed forces.

@waz , @WAJsal Sirji try to keep it clean, and your suggestions are welcome too.

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[Levina]

1. Pakistan whole country.

Blanket statements made by twitteratis.

according to me the real responsibility of the attack should have been of the top Army personnel who are assigned the job of deciding the plans of defending the army camps or the LOC.

If not anything this attack exposed the way our army treats its soldiers, at the bottom of the ladder I meant.

But still, do you all think that the Army just got away very easily in between all this chaos created by the Media & the Government ?

Yes.

2. Indian Govt for tying the hands of Army.

Well... that's not true.



Just being honest here. I'm done cribbing about Pakistan (elsewhere).
India must take responsibility for itself.
Be assured I will be voiceferous about the elements within Pakistan which want to see my country splintered.
But India must realise putting your house in order also means fixing responsibility for slipping up.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The pattern has become too repetitive nowadays.

1) Attack happens in India

2) India immediately screams that Pakistan is responsible (followed by senior government officials threatening "surgical strikes" or even "nuclear war")

(Pause for a few days...)

3) India says they are "looking for evidence"

I mean, shouldn't they find evidence first?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

 

[MilSpec]

some simple arithmetic will solve your problem.

 

[Levina]

The pattern has become too repetitive nowadays.

1) Attack happens in India

2) India immediately screams that Pakistan is responsible (followed by senior government officials threatening "surgical strikes" or even "nuclear war")

(Pause for a few days...)

3) India says they are "looking for evidence"

I mean, shouldn't they find evidence first?

69 years!
We have an experience of 69 years.

Anyways, you've deviated from the topic.
This is about Indian army.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Truth is common Indians have been brainwashed to believe in whatever their army/media/politicians want them to believe in as there is no other source of knowledge or there is no other way for avergae indian to verify the statements coming from army or ministers .. so if army say that these four terrorist/freedom fighters/militants etc were Pakistani then how you are going to verfy it that whther they were kashmiri freedom fighters,non state actors or someone sent by ISI? You can easily fabricate stuffs and can stage things for national interests

 

[Hellfire]

Truth is common Indians have been brainwashed to believe in whatever their army/media/politicians want them to believe in as there is no other source of knowledge or there is no other way for avergae indian to verify the statements coming from army or ministers .. so if army say that these four terrorist/freedom fighters/militants etc were Pakistani then how you are going to verfy it that whther they were kashmiri freedom fighters,non state actors or someone sent by ISI? You can easily fabricate stuffs and can stage things for national interests

Not uncommon Indians like us. So can your insinuations and accusations. You are trolling here as you are wrong and trying to deliberately post off topic.

@Abba_Dabba_Jabba

Whose responsibility or rather the question should have been who should be accountable for the Uri attack ?

No one. Let me explain why I said that. The political failure to address the Kashmir issue, the continued civil disturbance in the valley extending to over 2 months wherein the civil administration sat on it's rear in order to appease everyone, from a separatist to a keyboard warrior like those here, created the correct conditions for any adversary nation to take advantage of.

The rest, as they say, is history. If a militant is prepared to die, there is very little you can do to kill him/her.

Every time we start blaming Pakistan for such attacks, I know Pakistan allows anti-India elements inside their territory for their so called "Good Terrorism".

That is like saying that you failed an exam because the neighbour wrote his/her exam well. I have explained above, an adversary will be a fool not take advantage of your weakness. Don't expect the adversary to not exploit it. It is a norm and everyone does it.

But was the army ill equipped or did somebody tied their hands ?

You know there is a particular group of people who are called Indians. They are dishonest to themselves and to whatever duty they get. This is the result of that.

The threat assessment was informed about. The guard detail is briefed. I read at what @Levina wrote of showing how army is treated at lower rung. I do not agree on that. Irrespective of what one can say, a soldier in Kashmir is aware of possible dangers, and if the militants were able to penetrate into the camp, it means that the guards on duty slept/were listening to music on their mobile phones (it happens). Guard check occurs through out the night. But 4-5 am is the time period when the biological cycle is at it's lowest ebb, and that is the time when attacks happen and that is the time you will invariably find attacks have succeeded.

So, if the sentries on duty have survived, I think they should be tried under relevant sections of the army act and shot. I have no two opinions about it. It is easy to blame the Brigade Commander, the officers, but if at the lowest rung today you have no fear of the costs that will be exacted of you for failure to perform your duty, you will find it.

Read the recent Supreme Court judgement that a Commanding Officer can not conduct Summary Court Martial. In short, a Commanding officer can not do anything. If a soldier today refuses a legal military command, the officer could Court Martial him and send him home. But with this judgement, the officer has to start the process, which will take a couple of years, then it will go into appeal, all the while the soldier sits in a peace station, gets the pay and after that if found guilty, can appeal in Armed Forces Tribunal and again waste everyones time, cost to exchequer and occupy one vacancy in army without doing a day's work at all.

I hope you can guess what is happening and why things are not only difficult but becoming more unmanageable.

Since the attacks there are only 2 parties are blamed for the attack, at least on Twitter & news media :

1. Pakistan whole country.
2. Indian Govt for tying the hands of Army.

Point 1 explained. Point 2 incorrect

But according to me the real responsibility of the attack should have been of the top Army personnel who are assigned the job of deciding the plans of defending the army camps or the LOC.

That is why we are scared of arm chair people like you who have no idea of things. As a Commanding officer of 800 men, is it possible for commanding officer to stand over everyone's head to see what is happening?

I respect the level of professionalism shown by the Armed forces and their non-interference in countries internal/political affairs is commendable, unlike our neighbours we can proudly say that "Our State has an Army" rather than "Our Army has a State".

But still, do you all think that the Army just got away very easily in between all this chaos created by the Media & the Government ?

There are internal mechanism in Army to deal with it's own affairs, don't comment on them if you have no clue. Your suggestion is actually not required.

Hope things have been made amply clear to you.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Not uncommon Indians like us. So can your insinuations and accusations. You are trolling here as you are wrong and trying to deliberately post off topic.

He conveniently left out two key words, both sides.

If it's any solace, militaries across the world are having their hands tied behind their backs and sent off to war.

 

[Hellfire]

He conveniently left out two key words, both sides.

If it's any solace, militaries across the world are having their hands tied behind their backs and sent off to war.

Yes, that is true.

As for hands being tied, I totally agree with you and find it acceptable as that is the correct nature of a military force and it's applicability .... must remain subservient to the political directives.

 

[scorpionx]

Read the recent Supreme Court judgement that a Commanding Officer can not conduct Summary Court Martial. In short, a Commanding officer can not do anything. If a soldier today refuses a legal military command, the officer could Court Martial him and send him home. But with this judgement, the officer has to start the process, which will take a couple of years, then it will go into appeal, all the while the soldier sits in a peace station, gets the pay and after that if found guilty, can appeal in Armed Forces Tribunal and again waste everyones time, cost to exchequer and occupy one vacancy in army without doing a day's work at all.

That is disappointing. Next what? Trade unions in the army?

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

As for hands being tied, I totally agree with you and find it acceptable as that is the correct nature of a military force and it's applicability .... must remain subservient to the political directives.

You sure about that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-now-present-a-real-threat-to-british-troops/

 

[Hellfire]

You sure about that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-now-present-a-real-threat-to-british-troops/

Never unsure. We have the same problem .. that is why you will find even the Indian 'HR activists' posting the 700000 figure for troops in valley, depending on which day we are talking of ....

I factored everything in my statement as above.


The Political class needs to act ... if they don't, they loose the army. Simple as that.

 

[jericho]

Keep it clean guys, I know from last 4-5 days lot of useless trolling going on Indian media

Fixed, and there are no 2 ways about it. Pak have absolutely nothing to gain from this. Reasons why it could be Indian hand behind this:

1) Divert attention from Kashmir at the time of UN

2) If this was an attack from Pak elements, and India was 100 % sure of it, they would have taken action considering the war mongering media and politician you have, plus the public support. With that kind of environment, the only reason a country (6 or 7 times larger) would have decided not to take action is, either they have no guts, or they are not honest.

 

[nair]

Every time we start blaming Pakistan for such attacks, I know Pakistan allows anti-India elements inside their territory for their so called "Good Terrorism". But was the army ill equipped or did somebody tied their hands ? Since the attacks there are only 2 parties are blamed for the attack, at least on Twitter & news media :

Ultra nationalism........We have not asked the right questions to ourselves....

1) How did they manage to cross over (this we may have an answer)
2) Even if they manage to cross how did they travel all the way to uri undetected????
3) There said to be credible intel provided on a possible attack, In spite of that how did they manage to attack?
4) The way things look there is some kind of inside help, Why are we not looking at it...
5) Counter intel guys couldnt pick the insider helps..... Why??

Whom to be blamed??? We ourselves.......