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Upset by U.S. Security, Pakistanis Return as Heroes

Security comes first, no one should feel insulted if they undergo scan


Sir Indianrabbit.


The first factor is that they are MPs. Not some random local Pakistani boarding a plane. Imagine what would happen if let say someone like Obama was ask to do full scanning in Pakistan, I can bet you he will definitely object to this


Second factor, they just mention Pakistanis was their real allies, and now they show that they are real allies by making MPs go through a full body scan? Isn't that unfair, maybe this factor may not be relevant but think about it. Pakistan have request once to remove their name from the procedure.


And being Muslims, I think we are very protective about ourselves.E.g A full body scan. Even a Muslim lady refused to undergo a full body scan in one of UK's airport, and I am sure majority of Muslims would hate to go through the scan.
 
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@Zaki and Ameer219.
There is difference between MP's and head of state, that way the list will become huge, some will say he is ex MP then some will say, I am ex PM.
 
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There is difference between MP's and head of state, that way the list will become huge, some will say he is ex MP then some will say, I am ex PM.

Sir, even if its an MP, aren't they suppose to be guests, and furthermore, they were invited for a tour, its not like they came for visiting or anything, and like I said, they are MPs, not locals
 
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Bravo for them! US airport security is an idiotic mess. It is applied mindlessly so as not to "offend" anyone. Instead, millions of dollars are wasted screening people who are clearly no threat, including a VIP delegation of Pakistanis. Unbelievable! The US State Department is stupid for not accompanying the Pakistani delegation and waiving the screening for the obvious reason that these Pakistanis were the guests of the United States. All bureaucracies are maddening, the USA's included. Pakistan should screen all Americans entering Pakistan and should make VIP Americans wait a minimum of 2 hours to be processed, starting with King Holbrook and Queen Clinton. Maybe THAT would knock some sense into the US State Department!
 
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@Zaki and Ameer219.
There is difference between MP's and head of state, that way the list will become huge, some will say he is ex MP then some will say, I am ex PM.

and I thought these machines are installed for peoples safety. I didn't know they will be suspecting ex-PM or MPs of the soreign country. There should be a difference in security check for civilians and for those who are representing the whole country.

I remember Lord Nazeer of House of Lords in UK, had to go through this vast security check in American airports just because he was holding a passport naming Nazeer Ahmed and born in Pakistan :angry:

He raised a voice in House of lords but no action was taken :angry:

So now do Americans think Mr Lord Nazeer Ahmed representing UK is bringing Explosives with him :lol:
 
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Lawmakers’ tiff reveals complex US-Pakistan ties

Wednesday, 10 Mar, 2010

WASHINGTON: A weekend tiff involving lawmakers from Pakistan's tribal areas and airport security personnel in the United States underscores how tough it is to reverse years of US-Pakistani mistrust.

The six lawmakers were en route from Washington to New Orleans on Saturday when two were tagged for further screening at the capital's airport — scrutiny they found insulting. They scrapped their two-week US trip, which was sponsored by the State Department, and went home midway through.

The airport incident was splashed across Pakistani media on their return, with the parliamentarians claiming they were told they would not be subject to full-body electronic scans.

Washington says those assurances were not given.

“This situation could have been avoided,” said an official at the Pakistani Embassy in Washington.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said he regretted how the procedures were perceived by the lawmakers. A US airport security official said the measures were “an essential part” of the multilayered approach to keep the public safe.

Either way, the outcome was embarrassing for the Obama administration and feeds into a pattern of Pakistani hostility and suspicions over US intentions in the region.

“We are genuinely trying to improve relations but it doesn't mean there will not be misunderstandings along the way,” said Larry Schwartz, a senior spokesman for the US Embassy in Islamabad, who accompanied the parliamentarians.

While in Washington, the group met State Department officials, including the special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke, as well as members of Congress.

The program is one of many by the United States to boost people-to-people ties but the discordant ending to the visit underlines how hard it is to reach that goal.

“It is impossible to characterise the US-Pakistan relationship both historically and today in anything but the most complex and contradictory terms,” said Alexander Thier from the US Institute of Peace.

“Behaviour on both sides is duplicitous. The Pakistanis do not feel they are equal or respected partners by the United States. They feel mistreated.”

Security cooperation

The trust deficit, said former US ambassador to Pakistan Wendy Chamberlin, is one of the chief obstacles to improvements in the relationship.

“The majority of Pakistanis distrust the United States because they believe we favour military dictators over civilian leaders and we are quick to abandon economic aid once we have achieved our security goals,” she said.

There have been signs recently of better understanding, with Washington praising Pakistan after the arrest in Karachi of a top Afghan Taliban commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar.

But the high-level arrest raised questions over whether the detention had more to do with Pakistan securing its own interests in the region than helping Washington as it fights militants in neighbouring Afghanistan.

Why Pakistan chose to arrest Baradar at this time and the circumstances of the detention are also unclear, with a variety of explanations from apparent promises by Washington to put more pressure on India to a role for Islamabad in reconciliation talks with the Taliban.

Experts point out that any newfound cooperation from Pakistan is not uniform across the government and its institutions, citing tensions between the military and President Asif Ali Zardari, the weak civilian president.

Moreover, any shift in government and military ties has not yet translated into a boost in public sentiment, with deep suspicion over US-funded projects after Congress passed $1.5 billion a year in new civilian aid over the next five years.

“I don't think the Obama administration has found the key yet towards more favourably influencing public opinion,” said James Dobbins, an expert on the region with Rand Corporation.

What Pakistan's government says in public is often not reflected in private conversations with US officials.

For example, Pakistan's government does not broadcast support for US pilotless drone attacks against militants because of public anger over those strikes but US officials say it has endorsed them privately.

DAWN.COM | World | Lawmakers? tiff reveals complex US-Pakistan ties
 
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why not make your law strong

no one should be above the law but it is problem in India Indian leader are above the law

no sir. just because you failed to detect someone carrying a bomb doesnt mean everyone else has to pay the price for it. that security inspector who did not do his job properly should be held responsible. tomorrow if one of the scanner fails to detect something dodgy will you tell everyone to take of their clothes and walk naked until they reach the plane?
even your president said it was an intelligence failure.
this whole naked search is only a step closer to slavery under the pretext of security.
 
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What next , will we have to get searched just before we sit down , on the plane seats , oh wait ...how about when someone wants to go to the washroom need to get frisked there ....

:pakistan: I agree 100% with what the delegates did , NO TO TSA crap
 
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Elaborate, what do you mean by 'L' hope you do not mean what I am thinking.

;) you are right that was my French pardon it hehehe



Mods please merg the two threads this one and the other FATA MPs refuse to go through the scanner
 
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i smell a revolution agianst the americans....

NO revolution neither needed. We just need to have same security checks for Americans and westerners.

Those who do not agree with these would indeed avoid to travel to US.
 
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