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NATO doesn't give a jack about Durand Line. All they care is that they be safe.. I think Pakistan is doing good. Fence everthing.. Here is something that NATO and Pakistan is cooporating on.

People who are opposing this fence is backed by Karzai government and possibly Indian backup. They are not going to get a thing.

NATO to improve relations with Pakistan on security
Tariq Iqbal | May 11, 2007, 22:07

NATO has planned to increase the relations with Pakistan in the areas of security in order to deal with the issues concerning War on Terror.

One of the primary goal is to assist Pakistan in stopping militants to conduct raids via the porous border with Afghanistan.

“We’re discussing [with Pakistan] how to put in place a stronger political dialogue, including regular high-level consultations,” NATO spokesman James Appathurai told reporters.

NATO’s discussions with the Pakistani officials are expected to lead to a number of initiatives, he said.

NATO will look for ways to review Pakistan’s security situation, for instance, and will open its security and officer-training schools to Pakistani officials. For its part, Islamabad will allow the transit of NATO personnel and equipment across its territory to adjacent Afghanistan.

https://defence.pk/news/publish/NATO_to_improve_relations_with_Pakistan_on_security_20070511.php
 
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Great you did find a person (working on Indian pay role) who said so, but even your chosen article does not quote Karzai saying so. :tdown:

Look again for a statment by some one, who really represent Afghans not the one who is appointed by Non-Afghans and the most un-welcome figure in the entire history of Afghanistan.
 
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Here is something that NATO and Pakistan is cooporating on.
This act by Afghan army is a counter move to those co-operation building moves.
Peaceful Afghanistan does not serve India's anti-Pakistan theology.
It is an open secrete that India dream and concpire to destroy Pakistan.
I'm affraid if their dream esclate to the whole region, actually they have already esclated it to Afghanistan the day they armed the northern alliance and sent there troops to support them.
 
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Four die as Pakistani and Afghan forces exchange fire
KHOST (May 14 2007): Afghan and Pakistani forces clashed on Sunday in their heaviest battles in decades - with Afghan tribesmen preparing to join in after three civilians and a policeman were killed, officials said. Each side accused the other of initiating the fighting along the disputed border.

An Afghan defence ministry spokesman General Mohammad Zahir Azimi said the fighting started early on Sunday after Pakistani soldiers moved into positions on hills in Afghanistan's Paktia province.

The soldiers had pushed up to four kilometres (two miles) into Afghanistan, spokesman said, adding the Afghan army despatched several units, including tanks and artillery to the area.

Thousands of angry Afghan tribesmen were moving towards the battle zone and preparing to fight alongside the Afghan soldiers, Azimi said. Some were carrying Afghan national flags, shouting "Allah-O-Akbar" (God is great) and banging drums traditionally used to herald battle, he said. "They've said they're ready to join our troops," Azimi said.

Pakistani choppers were circling over the area, which is in Jaji district, about 120-km south-east of Kabul. "Today at seven in the morning... the Pakistani military deployed forces in the hills of Goye of Jaji district that faced border police resistance," Azimi said.

"Pakistani forces began firing heavy weapons. Police returned fire with light weapons. The fighting is ongoing." Afghanistan was trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, he said, adding: "If we are invaded, we will have no other choice but to defend ourselves. We'll use whatever we have in hand."

Paktia Governor Rahmatullah Rahmat told AFP the fighting erupted when Pakistani troops fired on Afghan border police building, a security post, on the disputed frontier.

"Two school children were killed when a Pakistani rocket landed in their school, and a police officer and another civilian were also killed by Pakistani rockets," Rahmat said.

Pakistan Military Spokesman Maj-Gen Waheed Arshad said the Afghan side had opened fire 'unprovoked' on a check-post in Kurram tribal district. "Our troops retaliated the fire in which six to seven Afghan soldiers who were firing at our post were killed and three of our troops were injured," Arshad said. The Afghan side rejected his claim of military deaths.

"We will give a stern reply if such an incident of firing takes place in future," Arshad said. The clash was the second in less than a month. On April 19, security forces from both sides fought for several hours after Afghans tore down part of a fence being erected by Pakistan. No one was hurt. Pakistan says it is putting up the fence to stop the cross-border movement of militants involved in the Taliban-led insurgency in Afghanistan.

An official said last week that it had completed 20-km of the fence. The Afghan government strongly objects to the barrier, saying it will not help stop the rebels crossing into the country but will separate tribes that straddle the frontier.

Also, Afghanistan does not accept the border, which it calls the Durand Line. The frontier was drawn up colonial Britain in 1893.


Copyright Agence France-Presse, 2007
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Seriously guys how is it you can escalate a border incident where machismo has played a large factor, into a multi national conspiracy????:disagree:

Here's my take.....Border post is in the process of being moved.......Poorly trained and inexperienced Afghani troops/police react in a hot headed manner. Maybe some fists are thrown as a precursor or maybe they react by firing straight away.

Pak troops open up with a machine gun.....Commanders on both sides are on their radios screaming that a major incident is happening and they need back up RIGHT NOW! Both sides scramble support troops (with the Afghani's having a less support to send).

Word leaks back to senior figures on both side who try to de-escalate the situation (with the Pakistani's talking tougher because they have the upper hand in resources and equipment)
 
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For some reason i doubt the words of Mr. Azimi. He claims that tribesmen have shot down a Pakistani helicopter. With what? Rocks?
 
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Twelve killed in Afghan-Pakistan border clash

by Emranullah Arif Mon May 14, 7:35 AM ET

KHOST, Afghanistan (AFP) - Afghan and Pakistani forces traded fire across their disputed border for a second day Monday, as officials announced that eight policemen and four civilians had died in the fighting.

The clashes, described by the Afghan defence ministry as the worst for decades between the two countries, erupted early Sunday in Paktia province, about 120 kilometres (74 miles) southeast of Kabul.

"Eight policemen and four civilians have been killed since yesterday," Afghan army general Sami-Ul Haq Badar told AFP.

Reinforcements armed with artillery and armoured tanks were dispatched to the area Monday, as "scattered firing" continued, he added.

A provincial police official, Ghulam Dastgir, gave the same death toll.

The interior ministry in Kabul said the clashes "erupted due to a misunderstanding between two Afghan and Pakistani border posts." It did not give details.

Pakistani troops had occupied two Afghan border posts for two hours on Sunday but were later repelled, it said.

Afghan troops and tribesmen later seized and held two Pakistan posts for four hours. The ministry did not give any information about the casualties.

Both sides accused each other of initiating the clashes on Sunday. The Afghan defence ministry said Pakistan forces had pushed up to four kilometres into Afghan territory.

The two sides had exchanged fire into the night, Pakistani military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad told AFP in Islamabad. He said there had been no casualties.

Commanders from both militaries and their counterparts in the
NATO and US-led coalition forces in
Afghanistan met Monday to solve the issue, said Arshad.

NATO's force in Kabul confirmed it was facilitating a meeting.

Arshad on Sunday rejected Afghan allegations that Pakistani soldiers or helicopters had crossed the border.

"Our position is very clear -- there is no question of entering into Afghan territory and there was no such attempt made," he said.

The rugged 2,500-kilometre frontier between the Islamic neighbours is one of the main sources of tension between them.

Afghanistan does not accept the frontier, which it calls the Durand Line after the British colonial official who involved in its drawing up in the early 1890s.

It says the line was demarcated when Pakistan did not exist and cuts through Pashtun tribal land that had once been part of Afghanistan.

Kabul also accuses Islamabad of not doing enough to stop Taliban-linked militants from crossing the border to carry out attacks as part of a growing insurgency.

The weekend's clash was the second in less than a month.

On April 19 security forces from both sides fought for several hours after Afghans tore down part of a 38-kilometre fence being erected by Pakistan that it says will stop the movement of militants.

The Afghan government objects to the barrier, saying it will not help stop the rebels. Analysts say Kabul is also wary of any effort to formalise the border.

There have been minor clashes between security forces on the border in the past years.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2007051...stanborderclash;_ylt=A0WTcVeOU0hGnFwAfwNvaA8F
 
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You can do it with a RPG. But somehow I doubt it in this case.......

There are wide range of assumptions that can be made. However, since the defence ministry of Afghanistan is keep bullshitting it is highly unlikely. My first reaction was that American supplied SAM still exists, but then i was like. Why doesn't it exist for the American helicopters. :what:
 
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How about Indian or Russian anti aircraft guns or missiles.
I'm sure it is not difficult to buy out corrupt warlords and I don't see a reason why India should not distribute Russian arms to those lords incl. anti-Pakistan al-Qaeeda and taliban elements.
Pakistan army should not consider terorists any less armed than Indian army.
I'm affraid, any casual approach may lead to casualities.
 
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How about Indian or Russian anti aircraft guns or missiles.
I'm sure it is not difficult to buy out corrupt warlords and I don't see a reason why India should not distribute Russian arms to those lords incl. anti-Pakistan al-Qaeeda and taliban elements.
Pakistan army should not consider terorists any less armed than Indian army.
I'm affraid, any casual approach may lead to casualities.

Consider Webmasters thought on American SAM.

Why don't they use them against Nato Aircraft?

A clue: they don't have them
 
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Consider Webmasters thought on American SAM.

Why don't they use them against Nato Aircraft?

A clue: they don't have them

OK, they may not have SAM's but they definately have stingers and I assume helicopters can be targeted in low flight situations.

[OFF Topic but releveant to Russian weapons in the hands of Anti Pakistan elements:
Investigations of a recent bomb blast in Peshawar has proved that the explosives were of Russian origin.]

If Aghan explosives can be easily distributed inside Pakistan than why not in Afghanistan!
 
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