UNVERIFIED:Indian military personnel arrested for unauthorized launch of missile| Source: PDF Member Rafi

[Windjammer]

Missile firing: IAF inquiry on, but Pak seeks joint probe

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[The Terminator]

Is Turkey your daddy or something?

Ok even if "Turkey is our daddy" what l of the British Queen's faithful have to do with Pakistani matters then! Oh you were brainwashed by Oxford University Press I think. Yeah unfortunately that plague effects Pakistani kids here too.

If you would give remarks like that without any respect or historical context then would be responded accordingly

 

[Joe Shearer]

First they crossed the waters with their submarine,

What are you even talking about? Was a submarine found in Pakistani territorial waters? Please check.

 

[SQ8]

Sir-ji, do you expect me on a Pakistani site to explore the possibilities? As it is, there is so much infantile jumping up and down. There are so many frightful questions that arise out of this incident. The fact that the missile was launched is in itself a sufficiently fearful thing. What embellishment is needed, and how can things be worse?

As far as I am concerned, unless there is an honest enquiry by the IAF, or by an independent fact-finding committee (preferable), we know only that a lethal weapon with a potential 200 kg HE warhead was fired, not in the safe conditions of a firing range, with suitable safeguards, in such a manner that it flew into inhabited territory in a neighbouring country with nuclear capabilities.

How it got launched, why it was not destroyed in flight, what information was passed on, at what time interval, to the other side to inform them clearly and lucidly, when were the higher echelons of the service informed and what did they do, when was the civilian supervisory mechanism informed and what did they do ... all these are questions that every responsible citizen of the two countries involved must want to know. The respective military staff must NEED to know, at a more urgent level.

Finally comes the question of safeguards for the future.

I submit respectfully to you, unless this finds you in a frivolous mood, that the canard about rogue elements in the military is a duck that deserves to die a slow lingering death, UNTIL evidence turns up that needs serious and further investigation.

This is a possibility that liberal Indians opposed to the reckless posturing of the present government really do not want to take at a superficial level. It is not a possibility that benefits from a relatively uninformed discussion.

The hyperboles will continue to come but it would be horrifying if there was such a scenario in place considering an entire 2 decades were spent accusing Pakistan of having this rogue element issue(which had some truth in the sense that a few personnel were being turned by the terrorist Hizb-ut-Tahrir). The accidental launch is the official and likely theory but not to be taken lightly as the GoI understandably wants to downplay

That being said, I think the entire procedural inquiry may also end up revealing the true preparedness of the force and possible general unfamiliarity with the weapons system or the flipside of poor training standards whereby this button presser was able to do what he did.

I dare say this comes from the top down and the “Modi mahan ki jai” types contribute to this because they are too busy being sycophantic suck ups to actually focus on their job.

 

[graphican]

Enemy has given you the opportunity to take them out like they are doing with you for so many years .... and what we are doing ...even our ISPR? policy of calmness, appeasement because we do not want escalation

It just hurts to find where ISPR was a few years ago vs now... Its a tree that is growing to become small over time.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I dare say this comes from the top down and the “Modi mahan ki jai” types contribute to this because they are too busy being sycophantic suck ups to actually focus on their job.

Again, in a public forum, what can I even say?

 

[The Terminator]

Mr Sharif once said that hating a community which had a culture similar to ours meant in effect hating a part of ourself, we must always strive for peace janab

speaking of collaboration

here Singers from India, Pakistan bring back a Lata Mukesh classic

https://twitter.com/x/status/1502570810673930244

Does it seem to be a joke to you? Let us "accidentally" hit you half a dozen missile then we would sing along you after that. That too regrettably

 

[SQ8]

Again, in a public forum, what can I even say?

No need to - a lot is implied and is also exemplified by the supporters of this mentality here. History is testament to where this leads to and the past century has examples both in the neighborhood and elsewhere for them to ignore and still shoot themselves(and the rest of India) in the foot, arm and abdomen area.

 

[HRK]

Why did they fire a missile with no warhead?

India and Pakistan both keep their missiles separate from warheads, though Indian Brahmos are canisterised missiles and India was planing the same for Agni Missiles (China specific) for quick response.

There is also a thinking which is gaining popularity in India is to revise their policy of 'No First Use' which mean in future they might mate warhead with missiles in ready to launch condition in moments notice for preemptive strikes.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That being said, I think the entire procedural inquiry may also end up revealing the true preparedness of the force and possible general unfamiliarity with the weapons system or the flipside of poor training standards whereby this button presser was able to do what he did.

One of the freakish things we were asked to handle was an audio-visual showing aircraft maintenance engineers how to service ejection seats during mid-term maintenance, since in a number of cases, people had set off the explosive charge and been seriously injured.

This, and the ordeal of translating every Russian aircraft's complete set of manuals into SGML traumatised me and has continued to haunt my nightmares.

I wish you wouldn't remind me of this, or of the fact that our space hero over-rode our objections and gave the contract for the air traffic control system to an amateur working at home on a PC on Windows, because they were both part of the fighter mafia. That was at a time when that airport was the only operating airport in that city.

Knowing this - I have shared only some trivial incidents here - what do you think it feels like to let the imagination explore the possibilities? Including the Col. Pandit possibilities?

 

[graphican]

Modi's posture is reminding me of this joker. Dr. Evil.

 

[The Terminator]

Source Link: What we know about the incident from the Indian media.

Excerpts of the Report:








most Important points, must be noted


The Highlighted parts shows the contradictions in their narrative feed to indian Media, I am mentioning some of these contradictions below

- If It was a "Practice Version" of Brahmos Missile as CLAIMED above then it must not had the coordinates of a Target in Pakistan but the coordinates of the Area Designated as Practice Target inside India.

- The "Practice Version" of missile (as per Indian claim) should not be at the "secrete satellite base" in Western Fronts of India but at the Easter Theater of India as Trials and Practice launch are done in Andaman and Nicobar region.

- The presence of coordinates of a Target in Pakistan and per their own acceptance "Missile followed the trajectory that it would have in case of a conflict" this mean it was an Operational Missile deployed to target Pakistan in case of war, only thing missing was the War Head.

- Launch of Missile itself indicate the Failure of Safeguards (IF there were any) in place to prevent unauthorised launch.

- Now the question is: When India claim that there were many Mechanical and Software base safety mechanism were in place then how all of these failed without alarming Indian Nuclear and Missile C&C

- How the Operators manage to Launch the missiles without the Clearances from higher ups ... ??

- If as claimed by India that Inspection and Protocol Revision was being carried than it mean whole the chain of the authorization for the launch of missile was being under review, so either that chain unanimously decided to use this as opportunity to launch the missile against Pakistan in a Classic Dilemma of Use It or Lose It, in this case whole chain incharge of this missile Battery is responsible

- OR whole Chains of Launch authorization, Codes & Passwords, Launch Sequences were compromised to some outsider who might not be part of Chain of authorization and Launch

- In any of the case stated above it was an UNAUTHORISED LAUNCH of Brahmos missile which mean either the whole Chain of Authorization and Launch gone Rogue or Rogue elements gain access to highly sensitive circles and assets of Indian State

In any case this Incident has destabilize the region to unimaginable level.

So most probably it's Modi Govt and Ministry of Defense is also involved in this mischievous act unless there were some people on mission impossible movie like scene and stole the launch codes from India's defense ministry archives which is unthinkable.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The hyperboles will continue to come but it would be horrifying if there was such a scenario in place considering an entire 2 decades were spent accusing Pakistan of having this rogue element issue(which had some truth in the sense that a few personnel were being turned by the terrorist Hizb-ut-Tahrir).

I need not exhibit our wounds in public, but this is the depressing part - as Pakistan has stabilised, we have been going steadily towards that uncomfortable position where every evening, friends used to report to us appalled onlookers fresh deaths of people they knew or were related to, or were connected to. At one time, there was very high discomfort at the presence of discordant elements in the regular services as well as the intelligence services. Now, even as we looked on, we seem to have zipped past in our own degree of contamination (in the intelligence services, NOT, it is to be hoped, in the regular services) and creation of ideologically flawed individuals. These very awkwardly phrased descriptions and circumlocutions necessarily have to be phrased like that, for obvious reasons.

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Pakistan will not accept mediation by UAE, Saudi Arabia or Iran.

Only mediation by Turkiye will be accepted.

It would be quite fun if Pakistan was to ask China for the joint investigation of the incident once UN has downplayed it.

 

[khansaheeb]

This is what Indian armed forces are boasting:-

BrahMos naval v ..

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