Untold stories of Kargil war . How officers/soldiers fought and died without Artillery/Air Support

Original Article is in urdu. Anyone can Translate the webpage in english and read it. Eye opening account of How Our officers and soldiers were killed by Indian artillery during withdrawl phase or when they attacked indian posts without artillery support from Pak Army

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[Sinnerman108]

Original Article is in urdu. Anyone can Translate the webpage in english and read it. Eye opening account of How Our officers and soldiers were killed by Indian artillery during withdrawl phase or when they attacked indian posts without artillery support from Pak Army

کارگ٠جÙÚ¯: ÙÛ âÙاپتÛâ پاکستاÙÛ ÙÙØ¬Û Ø¬ÙÚ¾ÛÚº Ùاپس ÙÛ ÙاÛا جا سکا - BBC News اردÙ

اÙÚÛا اÙر Ù¾Ø§Ú©Ø³ØªØ§Ù Ú©Û Ø¯Ø±ÙÛا٠ÛÛ Ø¬ÙÚ¯ ÙØ¦Û Ø³Û Ø¬ÙÙØ§Ø¦Û 1999 Ú©Û Ø¯Ø±ÙÛا٠Ùائ٠آ٠کÙٹرÙÙ Ú©Û Ø³Ø§ØªÚ¾ اÙÚÛا Ú©Û Ø²Ûر٠اÙتظا٠کشÙÛر Ú©Û Ø¹ÙاÙÛ Ú©Ø§Ø±Ú¯Ù Ø§Ùر اس Ø³Û Ùتص٠برÙاÙÛ ÚÙÙ¹ÛÙÚº پر ÙÚÛ Ú¯Ø¦ÛÛ Ø§ÙÚÛا ÙÛÚº Ø§Ø³Û 'آپرÛØ´Ù ÙجÛ' جبکÛ...

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In ancient times, a general was called Strategos, that equates to a general.
This is where the word Strategy is derived from.

A general's responsibility is to formulate and own the strategy as well as overlook it's execution;
without going into tactical details, which are let to be implemented by field level officers i.e a
brigadier and below.

Kargil, where on one hand talks of bravery in the face of extra ordinary firepower and odds;
at the same time it paints a very sad picture of strategical short shortsightedness, rather
complete lack of it.

some thing our generals have struggled with before, and are struggling with to this day;
and they will continue failing until such time that they begin to formulate strategy on their
own and develop independent thinking culture within the lower ranks, as well as higher ranks.

Regards.

PS: for those who will come back and say, political gov did this, and that, Fact of the matter is the nature and capability of the political government was known before hand, thus lack of risk mitigation is a fault at the general's level.
Same holds true for air force's lack of knowledge and them being out of sync.

 

[313ghazi]

You can see the strategic capabilities of our Generals in thier political meddling. Look at how it ended for Musharraf - he was the brains (or lack of) behind this operation.

 

[White privilege]

You can see the strategic capabilities of our Generals in thier political meddling. Look at how it ended for Musharraf - he was the brains (or lack of) behind this operation.

Well it would have been less of disaster without Noora's capitulation in front of Clinton. It was a bluff, Nawaz should have called it. On ground results are never absolute, we can't call out Kargil plan for not going completely by the book.

 

[Fasbre2]

In ancient times, a general was called Strategos, that equates to a general.
This is where the word Strategy is derived from.

A general's responsibility is to formulate and own the strategy as well as overlook it's execution;
without going into tactical details, which are let to be implemented by field level officers i.e a
brigadier and below.

Kargil, where on one hand talks of bravery in the face of extra ordinary firepower and odds;
at the same time it paints a very sad picture of strategical short shortsightedness, rather
complete lack of it.

some thing our generals have struggled with before, and are struggling with to this day;
and they will continue failing until such time that they begin to formulate strategy on their
own and develop independent thinking culture within the lower ranks, as well as higher ranks.

Regards.

PS: for those who will come back and say, political gov did this, and that, Fact of the matter is the nature and capability of the political government was known before hand, thus lack of risk mitigation is a fault at the general's level.
Same holds true for air force's lack of knowledge and them being out of sync.

Strategy is something our generals are useless at, otherwise we wouldn’t be in the situation we are in today.. makes me think what on earth are all those medals they wear for.. simulated wars and battles won…

 

[Mirzali Khan]

This war showed our soldiers are brave but our generals are coward cucks. They let our soldiers get slaughtered but cucks didn't let air force be used. Even today its evident our country is in a mess because of these stupid incompetent chamcha generals.

Kamal Sher Khan, yo Pashtun, dey pa Kargil kee da Pakistan lapra dera sa wakaral. Fauj haar wamanla LOL.

 

[LakeHawk180]

Original Article is in urdu. Anyone can Translate the webpage in english and read it. Eye opening account of How Our officers and soldiers were killed by Indian artillery during withdrawl phase or when they attacked indian posts without artillery support from Pak Army

کارگ٠جÙÚ¯: ÙÛ âÙاپتÛâ پاکستاÙÛ ÙÙØ¬Û Ø¬ÙÚ¾ÛÚº Ùاپس ÙÛ ÙاÛا جا سکا - BBC News اردÙ

اÙÚÛا اÙر Ù¾Ø§Ú©Ø³ØªØ§Ù Ú©Û Ø¯Ø±ÙÛا٠ÛÛ Ø¬ÙÚ¯ ÙØ¦Û Ø³Û Ø¬ÙÙØ§Ø¦Û 1999 Ú©Û Ø¯Ø±ÙÛا٠Ùائ٠آ٠کÙٹرÙÙ Ú©Û Ø³Ø§ØªÚ¾ اÙÚÛا Ú©Û Ø²Ûر٠اÙتظا٠کشÙÛر Ú©Û Ø¹ÙاÙÛ Ú©Ø§Ø±Ú¯Ù Ø§Ùر اس Ø³Û Ùتص٠برÙاÙÛ ÚÙÙ¹ÛÙÚº پر ÙÚÛ Ú¯Ø¦ÛÛ Ø§ÙÚÛا ÙÛÚº Ø§Ø³Û 'آپرÛØ´Ù ÙجÛ' جبکÛ...

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Quite sad watching that poor old lady speak of her plight. Soldiers are not mere pawns. They deserve respect for what they do by the nation that sends them out to war.

Ultimately they were only obeying what their shortsighted leadership commanded. India finally buried the soldiers with the respect and acknowledgement their nation refused to give them.

As is tradition, Pakistani leadership started something they couldn’t finish. When the whole scheme failed and everything came out in the open — they tried to avoid accountability by refusing bodies of their soldiers.

Before you come at me with pitch forks — I’m really just repackaging what’s in the video.

 

[fna]

Well it would have been less of disaster without Noora's capitulation in front of Clinton. It was a bluff, Nawaz should have called it. On ground results are never absolute, we can't call out Kargil plan for not going completely by the book.

and that factor should have been taken into account when planning. Noora was a known quantity. Same as expecting IAF to be involved in CAS. Same as opening up the international border in 65. siachen in 84.

seems to be constant recurring theme with PA flag officers.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Quite sad watching that poor old lady speak of her plight. Soldiers are not mere pawns. They deserve respect for what they do by the nation that sends them out to war.

Ultimately they were only obeying what their shortsighted leadership commanded. India finally buried the soldiers with the respect and acknowledgement their nation refused to give them.

As is tradition, Pakistani leadership started something they couldn’t finish. When the whole scheme failed and everything came out in the open — they tried to avoid accountability by refusing bodies of their soldiers.

Before you come at me with pitch forks — I’m really just repackaging what’s in the video.

ANY evidence it was started by Pakistan and that Pakistan didn't take any responsibility or are you just parroting more propaganda from the world's biggest propaganda machine AKA indian media?............. :

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[Black.Mamba]

So that coward Mushy capitulated when Ganja told him to withdraw and give up the biggest strategic position PA had attained against IA, thereby not just surrendering our advantage and give up the possibility of bringing Kashmir dispute closer to resolution but also resulting in scores of soldiers dead.

However, the same coward all of a sudden became a brave heart and overthrew Ganja, when the latter decided to fire him only a few months later.

No wonder the Generals and their brats are even more brain dead than khotta munching patwaris...

Recently I was having a discussion with a fairly recently retired officer who directly worked with Kayani, Raheel, and Bajra. According to him the most basic requirement for selection in the armed forces is to have below average IQ anything above is considered useless for us then we cannot train the person to our standard so you can imagine the intellectual capability and acumen. No wonder they are so short-sighted and double down on blunders

 

[VkdIndian]

So that coward Mushy capitulated when Ganja told him to withdraw and give up the biggest strategic position PA had attained against IA, thereby not just surrendering our advantage and give up the possibility of bringing Kashmir dispute closer to resolution

Musharraf didn’t capitulate to Nawaz but to the developments at the front. He had realised that things had started going south and any attempt to hold on to those heights would have been futile. Possibility of it spiralling into a full fledged conflict wasn’t factored into the planning. PAF and PN weren’t onboard. Kaiser Tufail has brought out these clearly in his blog. It was a disastrous planning.

Musharraf had tried to sell this plan of his to Benazir too. But she asked “then what” to which he didn’t have an answer.

Infact, Musharraf got Nawaz to go to Clinton and save his face.

Soldiers who fought for PA did fight bravely and against all odds. That was probably the only silver lining for Pakistan in this misadventure.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Musharraf didn’t capitulate to Nawaz but to the developments at the front. He had realised that things had started going south and any attempt to hold on to those heights would have been futile. Possibility of it spiralling into a full fledged conflict wasn’t factored into the planning. PAF and PN weren’t onboard. Kaiser Tufail has brought out these clearly in his blog. It was a disastrous planning.

Musharraf had tried to sell this plan of his to Benazir too. But she asked “then what” to which he didn’t have an answer.

Infact, Musharraf got Nawaz to go to Clinton and save his face.

Soldiers who fought for PA did fight bravely and against all odds. That was probably the only silver lining for Pakistan in this misadventure.

When you make retarded indianonic posts, can you try not to get your info from the world's biggest propaganda factory AKA indian media........... :

Pro-Indian 'fake websites targeted decision makers in Europe'

Fake sites and groups lobbying for India influenced decision makers in Europe, researchers say.

www.bbc.co.uk

EU NGO report uncovers Indian disinformation campaign

EU DisinfoLab’s report a ‘deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests’.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Tornado23]

The Pak general staffs need to stop meddling in politics, coups etc. and being beggars-at-the-DC, buddies of the Pentagon Boys etc. They better leave this to the politicians....

At this point I wouldn't leave it up to the politicians either

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

When you make retarded indianonic posts, can you try not to get your info from the world's biggest propaganda factory AKA indian media........... :

Pro-Indian 'fake websites targeted decision makers in Europe'

Fake sites and groups lobbying for India influenced decision makers in Europe, researchers say.

www.bbc.co.uk

EU NGO report uncovers Indian disinformation campaign

EU DisinfoLab’s report a ‘deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests’.

www.aljazeera.com

You don't have anything to add..

Just give more efforts and you will the international reputed sources for your both the concerns

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You don't have anything to add..

Just give more efforts and you will the international reputed sources for your both the concerns

Sure sure...........

Please note, indian sources are NOT credible nor are they reputed international sources due to the following reasons..........:

Pro-Indian 'fake websites targeted decision makers in Europe'

Fake sites and groups lobbying for India influenced decision makers in Europe, researchers say.

www.bbc.co.uk

EU NGO report uncovers Indian disinformation campaign

EU DisinfoLab’s report a ‘deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests’.

www.aljazeera.com