Unprecedented violation: Turkey’s fighter jets reach 2.5 miles off Alexandroupolis, NE Greece

[Catalystic]

If they violate your airspace u get up there and shoot em down

If no guts to do that, well, expect it again. Defend your sovereignty at any costs, even if u shoot down

These protests and demarche are all just bullshits and cowardice

 

[Foinikas]

The pro-putin Greek argument against Ukraine and support for Putin, is the same flaws of Erdoganism against Greece.

Putin's reputation in Greece started falling after he sided with Turkey.

A lot of Greeks traditionally supported and still support Russia,but that doesn't mean they support Putin.

If they violate your airspace u get up there and shoot em down

If no guts to do that, well, expect it again. Defend your sovereignty at any costs, even if u shoot down

These protests and demarche are all just bullshits and cowardice

True,I know and you're right. Every time,
our jet fighters intercept them and they leave and next time the same again and again. There have been accidents and even some shooting downs.

I think that we should at least shoot down some UAVs.

 

[zectech]

Ma che dici? Nobody wants Putin to punish the EU and nobody wants misery in Europe nor Ukraine and Russia.

Europe is living in the movie: It's a wonderful life. And Potter is the cia/zionists trying to destroy every competition in the world. The Bailey Building and Loan (the EU) allows for freedom and liberty and success for the common man.

Watch this video:

E Michael Jones—Slaughter of Cities; Ferguson

In the video E Michael Jones explains how in the 1950s, the cia was spooked, panicked and paranoid about Catholics taking over the world and replacing the WASP/cia/bankster/Rockefeller establishment.

E Michael Jones specifically mentions Adenauer of West Germany, the Catholic leader of a European Community, whose dream is realized in a cohesive EU - the main and only competition to the cia system. Adenauer was hated by the cia, according to E Michael Jones. And the other Catholics who founded the EU in the Treaty of Rome were hated by the usual suspects. The EU is the dispair and panic of the cia and the cia wants it destroyed. The EU was founded mostly by devout religious Catholic Christians, seeking to build a strong Bailey Building and Loan. A unified Europe, that does not have to be owned by Potter/cia/banksters. If the cia is against it, that means the movement is for freedom. The cia hates the European Union. Putin is working to destroy the EU via inflation and economic collapse.

Trump and pompeo want the competition that is the EU destroyed. Usual suspects want only cia/bankster monopolies.

Trump: EU is one of United States’ biggest foes - POLITICO

Trump: EU is one of United States’ biggest foes

Remarks come a day ahead of meeting with Russian president.

www.politico.eu

Trump’s (and Putin’s) Plan to Dissolve the EU and NATO.​

Trump’s (and Putin’s) Plan to Dissolve the EU and NATO.

Most people in this country, certainly most members of the political class and especially its expression in Washington, don't realize what Donald Trump is trying to do in Europe and Russia.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Donald Trump is the Deepstate:

The Real Deep State Is Trump

How the president has used William Barr and other officials to turn the government into his personal fiefdom

newrepublic.com

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin 'want to DESTROY the EU' – former Italian leader WARNS

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin 'want to DESTROY the EU'

DONALD Trump and Vladimir Putin “want to destroy the EU” and the populist government in Italy is trying to help them, according to former Italian prime minister Mario Monti.

www.express.co.uk

E Michael Jones was wrong about why the cia destroy the ethnic city neighborhoods in the US. It was more than social engineering. It was about destroying competition of European immigrant communities building thousands of Bailey building and loans, each with their own George Bailey. Every single devout Christian leader from a Christian ethnic neighborhood in the US, is a threat to the cia.

Force the European immigrants into the suburbs and make them Nascar dads and soccer moms, voting Republican and Democrat. To put them on the reservation, no longer a threat.

The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal As Ethnic Cleansing

Putin and Russia are tools of the cia deepstate to destroy Europe, to have a cia Washington monopoly and no European competition. That is what you support in Trump and Putin.

The cia wants any competition destroyed. Any movement that is a threat, such as gold and silver buying, is targeted and destroyed. And replaced with bitcoin buying. Trump supporting. Fox News watching.

Peace and love and truth are the enemies of the cia. Be peace. Be love, and be and preach truth. And the cia chimps out of control.

The whole point of this Ukraine War is when the global collapse happens. US has abundance of oil and gas and wheat. And Europe is desperate for food and fuel.

To have Europe weak and poor and in economic shambles. And the cia trolls deciding the fate of the economies and currency, to impose bitcoin on Europe and the rest of the globe.

Greece has to be careful in not getting into a conflict with Turkey because Erdogan is being used against the EU and NATO. Turkey should be removed from consideration into the EU over Erdoganism. Erdogan would worsen the inflation and war fears for cia goals.

Money in the hands of good people, a wealthy Islamic world, a wealthy moral world. The CEOs and oligarchs being the good side. This is what the cia fears. So the cia promotes the monopoly of the cia over the globe, and promotes war and misery among the good.

Putin is in on it to destroy the EU and Europe. Erdogan here is being used.

A former well-loved President of Italy said the cia did 9/11. A former Italian Prime Minister said Trump and Putin are fooling the resistance of populists to destroy the EU. This is 100% true, as the statement of Italian President Cossiga.

 

[Valar.]

@WebMaster , who deleted my comment on page 1 of this thread and why didn't I get any notification for that? What was wrong?

@WebMaster , who deleted my comment on page 1 of this thread and why didn't I get any notification for that? What was wrong?

The repeated violations of others' airspace by Turkey is indeed condemable.

^ This was the oneliner comment, by the way.

Don't know what's so offensive about it.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Creating a mountain of a mole hole

 

[Trango Towers]

Because Erdoğan's foreign policy is schizophrenic.

And no one has heard of your PM mitsotakis...he is busy sucking Germans so their loans are covered

 

[RescueRanger]

Maybe it was an innocent mistake

 

[Oublious]

Like EEZ and territorial waters Greece have dumb air space interpretation, no country in the world would accep ther demand . So time to time they think they can steal international airspace. You can read it from Turkish side of the story or international laws.

Air Space Related Related Problems / Republic of Türkiye Ministry of Foreign Affairs

www.mfa.gov.tr

Air Space Related Related Problems

The core of the conflict is the persistent abuse of "Flight Information Region" (FIR) responsibility by Greece.
FIRs were devised by International Civil Aviation Organization in 1950's to provide facilities and services to the civilian aircraft in the international airspace. FIR arrangements solely entail technical responsibility. It does not change the free status of the airspace over the high seas under international law.
FIR responsibility over the Aegean international airspace was assumed in 1952 by Greece. Greece, however, deliberately misinterprets and abuses her FIR responsibility as if it entails sovereignty over international airspace. It considers FIR as a national boundary line. (i.e. Western boundary of Turkey and Eastern boundary of Greece, embracing all international airspace in the Aegean beyond Turkish territorial sea within Greek sovereignty area).
Likewise, Greece considers FIR as a defense perimeter. Consequently, Greece maintains the view that military aircraft entering into Athens FIR and flying in international airspace should submit flight plans and come under control of Greek air traffic control authorities.
However, Article 3/a of the ICAO Convention says “This Convention shall be applicable only to civil aircraft and shall not be applicable to state aircraft”. Therefore, military aircraft flying in international airspace is under no obligation to submit flight plans according to international law.
However, Greece claims that non-submission of flight plans by Turkish military aircraft constitutes a "violation of the Greek FIR". There is no such concept of "violation of an FIR" since FIR responsibility does not imply the recognition of sovereignty of that state over the international airspace. Greece, thus, formulates and implements unlawful positions and then complains of their violation.
Greek abuse of FIR responsibility is yet another manifestation of her claim of "de facto sovereignty" over the whole Aegean airspace.
Greek aircraft constantly intercept and harass Turkish military aircraft over the international airspace on the false pretext that they violated Athens FIR by not submitting flight plans. Greek protests on these grounds have repeatedly been rejected by Turkey.
Another problem concerning the Aegean airspace is the Greek claim of 10 miles breadth of national airspace.
In international law, the boundary of territorial sea of a state also constitutes the boundary of its airspace.
Greece declared a 10 NM wide national airspace in 1931 even though the width of its territorial sea was 3 NM at that time. Greece later extended its territorial waters to the present 6 NM in 1936.
Greece’s claim of 10 NM national airspace is against the rules of international law and consequently, the airspace between Greece’s 6 NM territorial waters and its declared 10 NM national airspace is part of the international airspace.
Greece’s 6-10 NM airspace claim is not recognized internationally. Nor is it recognized by Turkey. Most of Greece’s claims about the violation of its airspace concern the flights of the Turkish military aircraft within the 6-10 NM international airspace

 

[Foinikas]

Like EEZ and territorial waters Greece have dumb air space interpretation, no country in the world would accep ther demand . So time to time they think they can steal international airspace. You can read it from Turkish side of the story or international laws.

Air Space Related Related Problems / Republic of Türkiye Ministry of Foreign Affairs

www.mfa.gov.tr

Air Space Related Related Problems

The core of the conflict is the persistent abuse of "Flight Information Region" (FIR) responsibility by Greece.
FIRs were devised by International Civil Aviation Organization in 1950's to provide facilities and services to the civilian aircraft in the international airspace. FIR arrangements solely entail technical responsibility. It does not change the free status of the airspace over the high seas under international law.
FIR responsibility over the Aegean international airspace was assumed in 1952 by Greece. Greece, however, deliberately misinterprets and abuses her FIR responsibility as if it entails sovereignty over international airspace. It considers FIR as a national boundary line. (i.e. Western boundary of Turkey and Eastern boundary of Greece, embracing all international airspace in the Aegean beyond Turkish territorial sea within Greek sovereignty area).
Likewise, Greece considers FIR as a defense perimeter. Consequently, Greece maintains the view that military aircraft entering into Athens FIR and flying in international airspace should submit flight plans and come under control of Greek air traffic control authorities.
However, Article 3/a of the ICAO Convention says “This Convention shall be applicable only to civil aircraft and shall not be applicable to state aircraft”. Therefore, military aircraft flying in international airspace is under no obligation to submit flight plans according to international law.
However, Greece claims that non-submission of flight plans by Turkish military aircraft constitutes a "violation of the Greek FIR". There is no such concept of "violation of an FIR" since FIR responsibility does not imply the recognition of sovereignty of that state over the international airspace. Greece, thus, formulates and implements unlawful positions and then complains of their violation.
Greek abuse of FIR responsibility is yet another manifestation of her claim of "de facto sovereignty" over the whole Aegean airspace.
Greek aircraft constantly intercept and harass Turkish military aircraft over the international airspace on the false pretext that they violated Athens FIR by not submitting flight plans. Greek protests on these grounds have repeatedly been rejected by Turkey.
Another problem concerning the Aegean airspace is the Greek claim of 10 miles breadth of national airspace.
In international law, the boundary of territorial sea of a state also constitutes the boundary of its airspace.
Greece declared a 10 NM wide national airspace in 1931 even though the width of its territorial sea was 3 NM at that time. Greece later extended its territorial waters to the present 6 NM in 1936.
Greece’s claim of 10 NM national airspace is against the rules of international law and consequently, the airspace between Greece’s 6 NM territorial waters and its declared 10 NM national airspace is part of the international airspace.
Greece’s 6-10 NM airspace claim is not recognized internationally. Nor is it recognized by Turkey. Most of Greece’s claims about the violation of its airspace concern the flights of the Turkish military aircraft within the 6-10 NM international airspace

Man,we're talking about Alexandroupolis this time. No disputed areas. It was 2,5 NM from the port and city. That's only a few second away from flying over the place.

For Pakistani members,it's like the Iranian Air Force flying 2,5 NM from Gwadar.

 

[Oublious]

Man,we're talking about Alexandroupolis this time. No disputed areas. It was 2,5 NM from the port and city. That's only a few second away from flying over the place.

For Pakistani members,it's like the Iranian Air Force flying 2,5 NM from Gwadar.

fake stories from greece, you can show everybody the radar track to the world. Every fighter flies with IFF .

 

[Foinikas]

Europe is living in the movie: It's a wonderful life. And Potter is the cia/zionists trying to destroy every competition in the world. The Bailey Building and Loan (the EU) allows for freedom and liberty and success for the common man.

Watch this video:

E Michael Jones—Slaughter of Cities; Ferguson

In the video E Michael Jones explains how in the 1950s, the cia was spooked, panicked and paranoid about Catholics taking over the world and replacing the WASP/cia/bankster/Rockefeller establishment.

E Michael Jones specifically mentions Adenauer of West Germany, the Catholic leader of a European Community, whose dream is realized in a cohesive EU - the main and only competition to the cia system. Adenauer was hated by the cia, according to E Michael Jones. And the other Catholics who founded the EU in the Treaty of Rome were hated by the usual suspects. The EU is the dispair and panic of the cia and the cia wants it destroyed. The EU was founded mostly by devout religious Catholic Christians, seeking to build a strong Bailey Building and Loan. A unified Europe, that does not have to be owned by Potter/cia/banksters. If the cia is against it, that means the movement is for freedom. The cia hates the European Union. Putin is working to destroy the EU via inflation and economic collapse.

Trump and pompeo want to competition that is the EU destroyed. Usual suspects want only cia/bankster monopolies.

Trump: EU is one of United States’ biggest foes - POLITICO

Trump: EU is one of United States’ biggest foes

Remarks come a day ahead of meeting with Russian president.

www.politico.eu

Trump’s (and Putin’s) Plan to Dissolve the EU and NATO.​

Trump’s (and Putin’s) Plan to Dissolve the EU and NATO.

Most people in this country, certainly most members of the political class and especially its expression in Washington, don't realize what Donald Trump is trying to do in Europe and Russia.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Donald Trump is the Deepstate:

The Real Deep State Is Trump

How the president has used William Barr and other officials to turn the government into his personal fiefdom

newrepublic.com

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin 'want to DESTROY the EU' – former Italian leader WARNS

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin 'want to DESTROY the EU'

DONALD Trump and Vladimir Putin “want to destroy the EU” and the populist government in Italy is trying to help them, according to former Italian prime minister Mario Monti.

www.express.co.uk

E Michael Jones was wrong about why the cia destroy the ethnic city neighborhoods in the US. It was more than social engineering. It was about destroying competition of European immigrant communities building thousands of Bailey building and loans, each with their own George Bailey. Every single devout Christian leader from a Christian ethnic neighborhood in the US, is a threat to the cia.

Force the European immigrants into the suburbs and make them Nascar dads and soccer moms, voting Republican and Democrat. To put them on the reservation, no longer a threat.

The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal As Ethnic Cleansing

Putin and Russia are tools of the cia deepstate to destroy Europe, to have a cia Washington monopoly and no European competition. That is what you support in Trump and Putin.

The cia wants any competition destroyed. Any movement that is a threat, such as gold and silver buying, is targeted and destroyed. And replaced with bitcoin buying. Trump supporting. Fox News watching.

Peace and love and truth are the enemies of the cia. Be peace. Be love, and be and preach truth. And the cia chimps out of control.

The whole point of this Ukraine War is when the global collapse happens. US has abundance of oil and gas and wheat. And Europe is desperate for food and fuel.

To have Europe weak and poor and in economic shambles. And the cia trolls deciding the fate of the economies and currency, to impose bitcoin on Europe and the rest of the globe.

Greece has to be careful in not getting into a conflict with Turkey because Erdogan is being used against the EU and NATO. Turkey should be removed from consideration into the EU over Erdoganism. Erdogan would worsen the inflation and war fears for cia goals.

Money in the hands of good people, a wealthy Islamic world, a wealthy moral world. The CEOs and oligarchs being the good side. This is what the cia fears. So the cia promotes the monopoly of the cia over the globe, and promotes war and misery among the good.

Putin is in on it to destroy the EU and Europe. Erdogan here is being used.

A former well-loved President of Italy said the cia did 9/11. A former Italian Prime Minister said Trump and Putin are fooling the resistance of populists to destroy the EU. This is 100% true, as the statement of Italian President Cossiga.

I'm sorry,but did you come to this thread to nag about Putin?

fake stories from greece, you can show everybody the radar track to the world. Every fighter flies with IFF .

You actually think we would make a fuss to the EU,NATO and UN and call your ambassador to protest,if we had no evidence?

 

[zectech]

Like EEZ and territorial waters Greece have dumb air space interpretation, no country in the world would accep ther demand . So time to time they think they can steal international airspace. You can read it from Turkish side of the story or international laws.

Air Space Related Related Problems / Republic of Türkiye Ministry of Foreign Affairs

www.mfa.gov.tr

Air Space Related Related Problems

The core of the conflict is the persistent abuse of "Flight Information Region" (FIR) responsibility by Greece.
FIRs were devised by International Civil Aviation Organization in 1950's to provide facilities and services to the civilian aircraft in the international airspace. FIR arrangements solely entail technical responsibility. It does not change the free status of the airspace over the high seas under international law.
FIR responsibility over the Aegean international airspace was assumed in 1952 by Greece. Greece, however, deliberately misinterprets and abuses her FIR responsibility as if it entails sovereignty over international airspace. It considers FIR as a national boundary line. (i.e. Western boundary of Turkey and Eastern boundary of Greece, embracing all international airspace in the Aegean beyond Turkish territorial sea within Greek sovereignty area).
Likewise, Greece considers FIR as a defense perimeter. Consequently, Greece maintains the view that military aircraft entering into Athens FIR and flying in international airspace should submit flight plans and come under control of Greek air traffic control authorities.
However, Article 3/a of the ICAO Convention says “This Convention shall be applicable only to civil aircraft and shall not be applicable to state aircraft”. Therefore, military aircraft flying in international airspace is under no obligation to submit flight plans according to international law.
However, Greece claims that non-submission of flight plans by Turkish military aircraft constitutes a "violation of the Greek FIR". There is no such concept of "violation of an FIR" since FIR responsibility does not imply the recognition of sovereignty of that state over the international airspace. Greece, thus, formulates and implements unlawful positions and then complains of their violation.
Greek abuse of FIR responsibility is yet another manifestation of her claim of "de facto sovereignty" over the whole Aegean airspace.
Greek aircraft constantly intercept and harass Turkish military aircraft over the international airspace on the false pretext that they violated Athens FIR by not submitting flight plans. Greek protests on these grounds have repeatedly been rejected by Turkey.
Another problem concerning the Aegean airspace is the Greek claim of 10 miles breadth of national airspace.
In international law, the boundary of territorial sea of a state also constitutes the boundary of its airspace.
Greece declared a 10 NM wide national airspace in 1931 even though the width of its territorial sea was 3 NM at that time. Greece later extended its territorial waters to the present 6 NM in 1936.
Greece’s claim of 10 NM national airspace is against the rules of international law and consequently, the airspace between Greece’s 6 NM territorial waters and its declared 10 NM national airspace is part of the international airspace.
Greece’s 6-10 NM airspace claim is not recognized internationally. Nor is it recognized by Turkey. Most of Greece’s claims about the violation of its airspace concern the flights of the Turkish military aircraft within the 6-10 NM international airspace

Don't worry, since the Greeks believe Ukrainian air space is Russian Empire, then Greek air space is Ottoman Empire. "Moscow, Third Shrome!"

Greeks don't believe in defending Europe, the EU, UN nations, boundaries and borders. Greeks believe in old imperialism. So Ottomanism is allowed in Greece. Erdogan is defender against zionism and the world economic forum. So can take over former Ottoman lands, by the standards of the Greeks.

Erdogan is conservative and won't allow LGBTQ take over politics in Turkey. Compare that to the Greek culture of acceptance of gays and lesbians. "Erdogan is defender of Europe against LGBTQ agenda, therefore can take over and invade Greece." according to Greek standards.

The rest of humanity can sit back, grab popcorn and laugh at the Greeks.

 

[Hack-Hook]

This. As long as the border between Greece and Turkey isn't demarcated and mutually recognized, none of these flights are actually posing a violation of Greek sovereignty.

come on 2.5 miles !?
how that can be border demarcation misunderstanding ?

Like EEZ and territorial waters Greece have dumb air space interpretation, no country in the world would accep ther demand . So time to time they think they can steal international airspace. You can read it from Turkish side of the story or international laws.

don't you think 2.5 miles is a reasonable demand

 

[BHAN85]

I dont see so many differences between Greece and Turkey, stop trying to make mess, you're the same people.

 

[Foinikas]

I dont see so many differences between Greece and Turkey, stop trying to make mess, you're the same people.

Tell that to the Turks then. What would you do if,assuming you are spanish,Morocco made a map where the Balearic islands and your southern coast are Moroccan? And they started promoting this map as official foreign policy?

Don't worry, since the Greeks believe Ukrainian air space is Russian Empire, then Greek air space is Ottoman Empire. "Moscow, Third Shrome!"

Greeks don't believe in defending Europe, the EU, UN nations, boundaries and borders. Greeks believe in old imperialism. So Ottomanism is allowed in Greece. Erdogan is defender against zionism and the world economic forum. So can take over former Ottoman lands, by the standards of the Greeks.

Erdogan is conservative and won't allow LGBTQ take over politics in Turkey. Compare that to the Greek culture of acceptance of gays and lesbians. "Erdogan is defender of Europe against LGBTQ agenda, therefore can take over and invade Greece." according to Greek standards.

The rest of humanity can sit back, grab popcorn and laugh at the Greeks.

Are you sure you're Italian? If yes,then how can you spit so much poison against Greece? Greeks have defended the EU boundaries the last 5 years,stopping and sending back tens of thousands of illegal immigrants,sent to us by Turkey.
It's funny that an "Italian" talks about old imperialism,when Mussolini tried to create a modern Roman Empire.