United States officially grants immunity to Israel's occupation of Palestine

[Falcon29]

Because Middle East politics is a important, complex and delicate entity.

BULLSHIT! You're justifying the Israeli occupation here! That's not a reason.

 

[VCheng]

BULLSHIT! You're justifying the Israeli occupation here! That's not a reason.

No. I am correct in saying that Middle East politics is a important, complex and delicate entity.

 

[Falcon29]

After I chatted to you , I did some reading and it seems that the Palestinian cause seems to be getting more and more galvanized internationally with many organizations and countries now demanding that Israel refrain from allowing settlers in Palestine and withdraw to the demarcated borders. Apparently the Obama administration after the JFK administration is one of the most sympathetic Palestinian administrations in the USA. Unfortunately, a 100 year conflict will not and cannot be resolved in a few years

I know that brother, however, the nation that could actually change the situation on the ground is the United States. So now Abbas sent applications to 15 UN bodies and I'm looking forward to the results. Although this move is very counterproductive, if Israel doesn't feel pressure from the US they won't see a reason for change.

No. I am correct in saying that Middle East politics is a important, complex and delicate entity.

You still didn't answer my question! It's not a complicated matter, we could allow the international world to take the lead and implement steps to pressure Israel. However, we vetoed every single resolution against the Israeli occupation, not Israel, it's illegal occupation. The US never did what it did with Israel to any other nation in the Middle East.

 

[Armstrong]

We are united, that won't change anything! The US can veto recognition for a Palestinian state!

No you are not - Hamas & Fatah must set aside their differences not only in name but in deed as well !

Besides if the 'title' is truly reflective of this 'political development' - this is an opportunity to further your point-of-view as One People instead of Hamas & Fatah arguing amongst themselves & missing the opportunity to garner more support, again !

At any rate I don't think abusing me is going to remove those settlements or prevent the US from vetoing any recognition of the Palestinian State !

 

[Falcon29]

No you are not - Hamas & Fatah must set aside their differences not only in name but in deed as well !

Besides if the 'title' is truly reflective of this 'political development' - this is an opportunity to further your point-of-view as One People instead of Hamas & Fatah arguing amongst themselves & missing the opportunity to garner more support, again !

At any rate I don't think abusing me is going to remove those settlements or prevent the US from vetoing any recognition of the Palestinian State !

Abbas is coming to Gaza soon! Hamas welcomed his moves recently.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

I know that brother, however, the nation that could actually change the situation on the ground is the United States. So now Abbas sent applications to 15 UN bodies and I'm looking forward to the results. Although this move is very counterproductive, if Israel doesn't feel pressure from the US they won't see a reason for change.



You still didn't answer my question! It's not a complicated matter, we could allow the international world to take the lead and implement steps to pressure Israel. However, we vetoed every single resolution against the Israeli occupation, not Israel, it's illegal occupation. The US never did what it did with Israel to any other nation in the Middle East.

Why can't Hamas and Fatah agree to work together ? The Palestinian cause is being blocked by their differences which is being used as an excuse everytime the issue is brought up before the UN

 

[Falcon29]

Why can't Hamas and Fatah agree to work together ? The Palestinian cause is being blocked by their differences which is being used as an excuse everytime the issue is brought up before the UN

Most recents news is pointing to a very soon reconciliation. This is the problem,the world will not recognize Hamas representatives in a national Palestinian government. So they will declare it a terrorist government and Israel will say it will not allow 'terrorists' to be in power. This is what the US and Israel did in 2007.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Most recents news is pointing to a very soon reconciliation. This is the problem,the world will not recognize Hamas representatives in a national Palestinian government. So they will declare it a terrorist government and Israel will say it will not allow 'terrorists' to be in power. This is what the US and Israel did in 2007.

Can't Hamas drop their armed struggle and link up with Fatah just to get a recognized Palestinian state ? If that happens then any transgression by Israel will be dealt with more harshly by the UN

 

[Falcon29]

Can't Hamas drop their armed struggle and link up with Fatah just to get a recognized Palestinian state ? If that happens then any transgression by Israel will be dealt with more harshly by the UN

Hamas ended it's armed struggle a while back, however, the Palestinian people will not throw their arsenal away. They want us to surrender our cause if you look deeper into it

@PlanetWarrior ....this is nicer...look at these crazy people, this is what happens when Europe and America empower and arm these people to teeth

Israeli minister warns Palestinians to pay for UN move | Maan News Agency

JERUSALEM (AFP) -- An Israeli minister on Wednesday warned of punitive action if the PLO pursued efforts to join UN agencies, as hopes of a breakthrough in the US-led peace process faded rapidly.

"If they are now threatening (to go to UN institutions), they must know something simple -- they will pay a heavy price," Tourism Minster Uzi Landau told public radio.

President Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday said he had begun steps to join several UN agencies, abandoning a pledge to freeze such action for the duration of peace talks -- which end in just four weeks.

The Palestinians had repeatedly threatened to resume their action through international courts and the UN over Israel's settlement expansion in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which is considered illegal under international law.

"One of the possible measures will be Israel applying sovereignty over areas which will clearly be part of the State of Israel in any future solution," said Landau, a member of the hardline Yisrael Beitenu faction.

Landau's remarks were referring to areas of the occupied West Bank populated by Jewish settlers which Israel hopes to retain in any future peace deal.

Israel could also hurt the Palestinians economically by acting "to block financial aid to them," the minister added.

Abbas made his announcement just hours after Israel reissued tenders for hundreds of settler homes in annexed East Jerusalem, as Washington was working around the clock to resolve a major dispute over Palestinian prisoners.

The standoff came soon after US Secretary of State John Kerry left Israel on Tuesday after a lightning visit.

He had been due to fly back to the region on Wednesday for talks in Ramallah with Abbas but he cancelled his visit following the Palestinian leader's announcement, while attempting to remain optimistic.

"It is completely premature tonight to draw ... any final judgement about today's events and where things are," he said in Brussels.

The top US diplomat had hoped to convince the Palestinians to extend the faltering talks beyond their April 29 deadline, with the sides discussing a proposal which would have included a limited freeze on settlement construction.

US peace efforts were already teetering on the brink after Israel refused to free a fourth and final group of 26 veteran Palestinian prisoners, which would have completed an agreement that had brought the sides back to the table.

"We aren't acting against the United States, nor against any other party. It is our right (to do so) and we accepted to postpone using it for nine months," Abbas said of the decision to seek membership of UN agencies.

The Islamic movement Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, welcomed the move by Abbas,

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[Jaanbaz]

Hamas & Israel are the biggest hurdles between any deals being reached. On the other hand Hamas is a terrorist organisation for firing rockets into Israel but Israel is land of God because Jews are allowed to kill any Non-Jews and destroy any sign of them.

 

[Falcon29]

Can't Hamas drop their armed struggle and link up with Fatah just to get a recognized Palestinian state ? If that happens then any transgression by Israel will be dealt with more harshly by the UN

They still could manufacture a security threat, they have people who can speak perfect Arabic and look Arab. They could deploy agents in Palestinian territory and launch attacks from there and then of course use that as a pretext to demolish Palestinian infrastructure or occupy it again. Trust me, they will try finding a way to annex it once again if even our rights are restore which I doubt would happen.

Hamas & Israel are the biggest hurdles between any deals being reached. On the other hand Hamas is a terrorist organisation for firing rockets into Israel but Israel is land of God because Jews are allowed to kill any Non-Jews and destroy any sign of them.

No, no, no, brother, slow down there, Hamas is a resistance movement. I will link you a post regarding Gaza from 2004-2009.

Here, bottom of page:

Shame on Israel.The Palestinian national soccer team has been under attack by the Israeli state | Page 3

 

[PlanetWarrior]

They still could manufacture a security threat, they have people who can speak perfect Arabic and look Arab. They could deploy agents in Palestinian territory and launch attacks from there and then of course use that as a pretext to demolish Palestinian infrastructure or occupy it again. Trust me, they will try finding a way to annex it once again if even our rights are restore which I doubt would happen.



No, no, no, brother, slow down there, Hamas is a resistance movement. I will link you a post regarding Gaza from 2004-2009.

Well, once Palestine is regarded as a sovereign state , the responsibility then rests with its government to ensure that there are no attacks on its neighbor whether the attacks are from a domestic source or by agents planted by Israel. You can't demand sovereignty and then claim that you can't control the domestic happenings within your country ?

 

[Falcon29]

Well, once Palestine is regarded as a sovereign state , the responsibility then rests with its government to ensure that there are no attacks on its neighbor whether the attacks are from a domestic source or by agents planted by Israel. You can't demand sovereignty and then claim that you can't control the domestic happenings within your country ?

That's if we get a sovereign nation which is very unlikely and even if we do they said we can't deploy our own forces along the borders. They want an Israeli military presence inside our territory.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

That's if we get a sovereign nation which is very unlikely and even if we do they said we can't deploy our own forces along the borders. They want an Israeli military presence inside our territory.

Then that isn't sovereignty

 

[Falcon29]

PLO submits applications to join 15 international bodies | Maan News Agency


Abbas signed letters of accession for the following treaties and conventions:
1. The Four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and the First Additional Protocol
2. The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations
3. The Vienna Convention on Consular Relations
4. The Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Involvement of Children in armed conflict
5. The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
6. The Hague Convention (IV) respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land and its annex: Regulations Concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land
7. The Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
8. The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties
9. The International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
10. The Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
11. The United Nations Convention against Corruption
12. The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
13. The International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid
14. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
15. The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

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Then that isn't sovereignty

Exactly, worse than that is they're telling us they'll think about withdrawing their presence 40 years from now but first we have to recognize Israel(Meaning legitimize their occupation, not the Israel of 67 borders).