United States Missile Attack Kills Islamic Militants in Pakistan

[roadrunner]

Dude So America is killing civilian just for fun?Read the post above (That poster lives in Kurram Agency) his relatives have told him that mostly talibans are killed.

The American military will do things to meet its objectives in the region. A wider war? Collective punishment? Either has been done before, neither is a stratch too far for the imagination.

Also "That poster" does not live in Kurram.

dxb does live in Pakistan. Those are the people who you got to convince. Not Zolfiqar, however important he might be.

 

[Solomon2]

The U.S. military hasn't practiced "collective punishment" for decades. Try again.

 

[roadrunner]

The U.S. military hasn't practiced "collective punishment" for decades. Try again.

If that's all you can say. You're wrong. As recently as Iraq, the US military sought to punish villages where insurgent hotspots existed.

 

[rubyjackass]

I do not question the decisions taken by the government here. I just noted why the tone reports might have changed since the drone strikes began. The government is in a unique situation here, fighting Taleban with local sympathizers. May be they have their reasons.
All I said was about how the drone attacks were reported by the officials.

If the army 'has to' shell a village because it proved to be a stronghold of militants then so be it(I read they did).
The drones do not go and bomb at random either. They act on pukah information about the location of targets to the precision of metres with GPS coordinates. Are they not better that shelling the whole place?
All I can say about the current situation is that all people(who matter) are either genuinely convinced or they convinced themselves that the strikes are useful.

 

[S-2]

"If that's all you can say. You're wrong."

Well, no. You've made accusations here but provided no backup. Mentioning Iraq specifically means date and location specifically. So too, I'd hope, methodology.

Seems fair enough. After all, you provided some evidence of our pilots using go-no go pills. That's true (though intentionally left fully unexplored by us ice-cold heartless Americans).

You can provide at least an incomplete and highly biased report to such, can't you? You know...like you normally do?

Thanks.

 

[muse]

First the argument was, How is it that Drone attacks do not target Pakistani talib -- Now that drone target talib - our Islamist still want to suggest that the American is rabid, Pakistani officials Liars, the whole thing is a conspiracy to malign Islam and Muslims -- But it won't wash.

Increased attacks on talib positions are now a given, islamists better get used to it, there's a whole lot more coming their way - especially when the patriotic Pak Fauj cleans up Waziristan (coming soon to a islamist near you).

 

[S-2]

"...islamists better get used to it, there's a whole lot more coming their way - especially when the patriotic Pak Fauj cleans up Waziristan (coming soon to a islamist near you)."

Let us pray for an OSCAR-winning performance. I await the grand opening...

 

[muse]

I'll settle for "effective" - The problem is as usual, political.

And this ties in with your comments of the "Enemy combatant" thread -- The Fauj is not the proper instrument, however, certain elements of the Fauj are.

You pointed legal concepts that sit on the cusp beween legal and illegal - that is because the adversary recognizes no norm -- and therefore; is out of the framework of "legal" - and leaves whose responsible for creating a response in a bit of a bind - nonetheless, a response they deserve and should get - and that response too, unfortunately will have to be out of the norm.

 

[S-2]

"certain elements..."

If you guys could conduct targeted ground ops with any modicum of efficiency, the impact within Waziristan would be, IMHO, sustainable-and by far.

It's not easy under any circumstance, though. Planning, resourcing, coordination, and execution all bring their sets of problems. Then the enemy has a hand in this via Mr. Murphy.

A targeted hit blows up in your face and you've got a Blackhawk Down Mogadishu scene unfolding and nobody wins there.

Big hit the other day near Darra, btw.

That was interesting. Cobras and some other stuff. I wasn't aware that S. Waziristan had heated up. In fact, I'd been of the mind that Mehsud, Nazir, and Bahadur's arrangement would lift any existing heat, which didn't seem like much in any case.

Guess I was wrong. I don't like to be wrong except when being wrong feels sooooo good.

Seems like a song with those lyrics somewhere.

 

[osamaziadxb]

nip the evil in the bid
who told the Gov that give the free hand to talib..i know that at the early stages there were only 1000 talibs in swat but later they increased to 10,000 this iz bcz Gov wants this ..tribals r happy either with talibs n Gov ..they jus want peace ..so this iz the responsibility of Gov not Americans to give peace to thm
i have spent more than 5 years in tribal areas n i know better that they r pakistan lover n thy will not do wrong in the future if Gov provides peace.
these drones attack willl produces more n more talibs u know?

 

[notsuperstitious]

The predators seem to be hitting combatants and sparing civilians lately.

Anyone aware of any intel changes they've introduced?

 

[S-2]

"Anyone aware of any intel changes they've introduced?"

Yeah. A few, but if we told you then we'd have to kill ya'.

Attitude and a good phone # is all that's really going on. ISI has always had good coverage in the Islamic Republic of Pashtunistan.

Now ISI drops a dime where they wouldn't before.

 

[PAFAce]

...Islamic Republic of Pashtunistan...

Here we go again. You can't help yourself, can you? hitting below the belt like this.

 

[S-2]

My apologies for the slow response. I've been doing battle elsewhere with Indians whom wish to use Afghanistan as a launching pad to attack Pakistan.

They called me morally-bankrupt. I was soooo pleased. A.M., you know, calls me the same.

I've never felt more correct or vindicated...

Oh yeah, sorry. I digress...

"You can't help yourself, can you? hitting below the belt like this."

I'll again call it a part of Pakistan when you army takes back from the defeated taliban army of Afghanistan what is presumably yours but functionally is not.

Soon Baluchistan may have a new name too as matters proceed. SWAT will likely beat Baluchistan as the next entry into the still-forming Islamic republic...or do you think it's actually a caliphate?

If a caliphate, must you refer to it as "Islamic"? Doesn't "caliphate" imply as much?

Sorry again. You were saying...?