United States closes immigration door to communists in clear swipe at China

[SuvarnaTeja]

You know what is more interesting. Its the hypocrisy of the west. they passed a guidance that would deny residence or citizenship to any person that would declare their belief to be of communisms. This is clearly discriminatory and US as a nation has a right to do this but what if the same was passed by say China or Pakistan or India that anybody that held membership to a Left party or a Right party or a Green party or any political or politco-economic ideology, then what would happen? There would be condemnations, articles on suppression and declaration on how these countries are barbaric.

Personally the West uses its status as developed to do many things that other nations would be called out on and this hypocrisy creates waves and we witness how International politics is becoming more hypocritical.

US Citizenship application always checked this. I just think that it is being enforced now.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-400.pdf

 

[letsrock]

I don't think so, but if that makes you happy just sign the papers and apply for US presidential election then win the elections and ban brahmins lol.

Dont be so smug. All it takes is few congressional reports .

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

1882 Deja Vu

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

It's more about Communist Party membership and is quite natural. Why would the Capitalists let Communists in their country? A party that directly contradicts the values of capitalism.
It is not the hypocrisy of the west rather the hypocrisy of the communist who sells communism to their poor awam and sends their kids to western countries for better education, medical treatment, or straight out leaves for the US with their ill gotten wealth.

In some cases also export its women to enjoy the joys Capitalism with the organ between their legs

Mao offered 10m women for trade with US

 

[Figaro]

Talk about peanuts in the grand scheme of things

What does doing this ban achieve though? Do you think it really hurts the Chinese? Meanwhile, the US stands to lose billions from lost real estate investment and consumer spending by these super rich Chinese Communist Party officials. These corrupt officials could just go to Europe, Australia, or Canada with their money.

 

[rent4country]

Global Times editor is the poster child of all things China, we agree.

 

[nahtanbob]

What does doing this ban achieve though? Do you think it really hurts the Chinese? Meanwhile, the US stands to lose billions from lost real estate investment and consumer spending by these super rich Chinese Communist Party officials. These corrupt officials could just go to Europe, Australia, or Canada with their money.

Quit dodging the bullet. There are only limited number of countries that are attractive.

There are spats with Australia and Canada

Why the Australia-China relationship is unravelling faster than we could have imagined

As diplomatic relations worsened in recent years, people-to-people ties remained strong. Now, however, it appears even academics and journalists are becoming ‘pawns’ in a great diplomatic tussle.

theconversation.com

No clear end to China-Canada relations slide which began with Huawei arrest

Economists and global affairs experts find no way forward as 50 years of friendship continues to sour on many fronts.

www.scmp.com

Provide hard data for the "billions" before you pull numbers out of the air

 

[letsrock]

What does doing this ban achieve though? Do you think it really hurts the Chinese? Meanwhile, the US stands to lose billions from lost real estate investment and consumer spending by these super rich Chinese Communist Party officials. These corrupt officials could just go to Europe, Australia, or Canada with their money.

Or they could spend it in CHina itself. China is a large country providing all sorts of weather and real estates. If it can offer a prosperous life and infrastrcuture why would anyone want to immigrate as a rule. How many japanese do you see immigrate out of or americans or canadians?

 

[52051]

Actually, trump is stupid. Since all those corrupt top CCP officials who have and will keep stealing from their country to send their families to the US or invest their massive amount of ill gotten wealth will simply replace the US for U.K, Australia, Canada, France and many other western countries . So it's a loss for the US and a gain for other western countries. So it won't stop corruption in China, since there many more western countries where CCP top corrupt officials will keep their money in.
The issue here is that China has to self introspect and ask itself why many of it's officials are sending their ill gotten wealth,, family abroad , emigrating abroad in large numbers. Means there is something terribly wrong with the party anti corruption system. Seems it's due to the fact that the partys anti corruption agency is not independent itself and so is prone to party leanings and control. So it might not target those who have a say in it's running.
The fact that many wealthy Chinese are buying citizenship in western countries and stashing their wealth in the West should be the main question for most Chinese actually.

That's simple:

China has very harsh law for corruption/bribe, whilst the US has very "friendly" laws for corruption/bribe, and many actions that considered as corruption in China is perfectly legal in the US.

And in China, if you are burn your money shopping and happen to be pictured and sent to internet, and if you happen to has some relatives in government bodies, you are done, so is your relatives.

For instance, Ling Jihua, a top-rank official, the trigger that eventually brought him down because there is news exposed an accident where his son drove a expensive sporting car.

The trigger that bring another top-rank official, Bo Xilai down, is also because the picture around in the internet where his spoiled son drove a sporting car.

Besides, it is a known fact that US, Canada, UK etc are very friendly to corrupted Chinese ex-officials or businessmen, its pretty hard for Chinese criminal justice system to arrest them if they are there.

So if you are in their shoes, its pretty reasonable for you to want to move to US/Canada and other imcompentent fail states that considered haven for corruption:

In China, you may face very harsh laws and you cannot even use much of the money you steal and you have to keep a low-key life, but in the corruption haven, you can burn whatever money you like and you can hire whatever lawyers to protect you from justice.

So, you see, easy choice here.

 

[Figaro]

Quit dodging the bullet. There are only limited number of countries that are attractive.

There are spats with Australia and Canada

Why the Australia-China relationship is unravelling faster than we could have imagined

As diplomatic relations worsened in recent years, people-to-people ties remained strong. Now, however, it appears even academics and journalists are becoming ‘pawns’ in a great diplomatic tussle.

theconversation.com

No clear end to China-Canada relations slide which began with Huawei arrest

Economists and global affairs experts find no way forward as 50 years of friendship continues to sour on many fronts.

www.scmp.com

Provide hard data for the "billions" before you pull numbers out of the air

The Chinese, many of them Communist Party Officials, have spent billions (if not more) on purchasing US real estate, primarily in the West and East coasts. Do I really need to give you a statistic on that because it should seem extremely obvious if you have any semblance of the real estate market here in the States. This is why I'm saying banning these affluent Chinese people (i.e. Communist Party officials with ill gotten gains) would hurt the US real estate market, which itself is relying on the short lived corona stimulus.

The Chinese purchase more U.S. residential real estate than buyers from any other foreign country, but Trump’s trade war may change that

A Chinese pull-back could have serious effects for some West Coast housing markets.

www.marketwatch.com

That's simple:

China has very harsh law for corruption/bribe, whilst the US has very "friendly" laws for corruption/bribe, and many actions that considered as corruption in China is perfectly legal in the US.

And in China, if you are burn your money shopping and happen to be pictured and sent to internet, and if you happen to has some relatives in government bodies, you are done, so is your relatives.

For instance, Ling Jihua, a top-rank official, the trigger that eventually brought him down because there is news exposed an accident where his son drove a expensive sporting car.

The trigger that bring another top-rank official, Bo Xilai down, is also because the picture around in the internet where his spoiled son drove a sporting car.

Besides, it is a known fact that US, Canada, UK etc are very friendly to corrupted Chinese ex-officials or businessmen, its pretty hard for Chinese criminal justice system to arrest them if they are there.

So if you are in their shoes, its pretty reasonable for you to want to move to US/Canada and other imcompentent fail states that considered haven for corruption:

In China, you may face very harsh laws and you cannot even use much of the money you steal and you have to keep a low-key life, but in the corruption haven, you can burn whatever money you like and you can hire whatever lawyers to protect you from justice.

So, you see, easy choice here.

When was the last time you heard of a case of a US government official embezzling tens of billions of dollars? Zhou Yongkang alone was cited for $14 billion dollars (USD) of ill gotten gains ... tell me when was the last time that happened in the US.

 

[Khan vilatey]

United States closes immigration door to communists in clear swipe at China

• Communist party members will not be granted permanent residence or citizenship, US Citizen and Immigration Services says
• Global Times editor-in-chief says move will help China to keep more of its ‘talents’

Keegan Elmer in Beijing
Published: 7:00pm, 4 Oct, 2020

The US has amended its immigration policy to make it more difficult for members of communist parties to get permanent residency or citizenship. Photo: Xinhua


The US has released guidance on its immigration laws that will make it almost impossible for members of a Communist party or similar to be granted permanent residence or citizenship of America.
The announcement was made in a policy alert issued on Friday by the US Citizen and Immigration Services (USCIS).
In a sign Washington is dusting off its Cold War-era legislation, the agency said: “In general, unless otherwise exempt, any intending immigrant who is a member or affiliate of the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party … domestic or foreign, is inadmissible to the United States.”

The law effectively blocks members of any communist party from ever obtaining permanent residency or citizenship of the US, and reinforces the widening ideology gap between the world’s two largest economies that has already damaged people-to-people exchanges.


The USCIS said the policy amendment was “part of a broader set of laws passed by Congress to address threats to the safety and security of the United States”.
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While the alert did not mention the Chinese Communist Party, which has 90 million members, by name, it adds a new dimension to the ongoing rivalry between Beijing and Washington.

Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief Chinese tabloid newspaper Global Times, took a positive view of the rule change, saying the immigration restriction would help “keep more talents in China”.

“Many outstanding talents in China are Communist Party members,” he said on Twitter.

According to the announcement, exceptions may be granted if a party member can prove they joined “for the purposes of obtaining employment, food rations, or other essentials of living”.

The policy builds on a law dating back to 1918 that classified communists, anarchists and others as security threats because of their political affiliations.

The US also reinforced its immigration laws during the Cold War, its decades-long stand-off with the Soviet Union.
The 1950 Internal Security Act was the first to exclude foreign members of communist or totalitarian parties from becoming naturalised US citizens.

There are no official figures for how many members of the Chinese Communist Party have residency or citizenship in the US.


Since taking office in 2012, Chinese president Xi Jinping has launched several campaigns to crack down on government officials holding US green cards or other foreign passports. Under Communist Party rules, members face expulsion for taking up foreign residency and Chinese law forbids any citizen from adopting dual citizenship.

According to the Migration Policy Institute, a US think tank, there were 2.5 million Chinese immigrants in the United States in 2018, or about 5.5 per cent of its total foreign-born population.
The same year, China accounted for 67,000 of the 1.1 million people granted permanent residency of the US, ranking it third in the nation of origin table after Mexico and Cuba.

Almost all Chinese government officials are members of the Communist Party, as are most executives of state-owned enterprises and officials at public institutions.

Past and present members include: Li Wenliang, the Wuhan doctor who flagged the risk of coronavirus, and
Ren Zhiqiang
, the property tycoon and critic of Xi who was last month sentenced to 18 years in prison on corruption charges. He had earlier been expelled from the party.
China hawks in Washington are trying to separate the Chinese people from the ruling Communist Party.

On October 1, China’s National Day, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a note of congratulations to “the people of China”. Beijing responded by saying any effort to separate the ruling Communist Party from its people was doomed to fail.
Earlier in the year, US policymakers considered banning Chinese Communist Party members from even entering the country, Reuters and The New York Times reported.

US closes immigration door to communists in clear swipe at China

Communist party members will not be granted permanent residence or citizenship, US Citizen and Immigration Services says.

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Hmmmm....not sure this is a good move, since the US was receiving billions of dollars from corrupt top CCP members who either emigrate to the US or invest heavily there or buy green cards. I believe the US should have encouraged this even more, for their own national interests, instead of banning them. They will just move to other Western countries which is a loss for the US.

isn’t it illegal to do so. The us constitution protects all people applying. I thought the trump admin had to make their ban more widespread.
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[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

In general, unless otherwise exempt, any intending immigrant who is a member or affiliate of the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party

So when are BJP members getting banned?

Do the ‘members of the Arab Royal families’ running totalitarian regimes count? Oh, right - some of them are actually getting the F-35

Just more hypocrisy on the part of the Trump Administration & US Establishment chasing Communist bogeymen.

 

[nahtanbob]

The Chinese, many of them Communist Party Officials, have spent billions (if not more) on purchasing US real estate, primarily in the West and East coasts. Do I really need to give you a statistic on that because it should seem extremely obvious if you have any semblance of the real estate market here in the States. This is why I'm saying banning these affluent Chinese people (i.e. Communist Party officials with ill gotten gains) would hurt the US real estate market, which itself is relying on the short lived corona stimulus.

I own real estate in the coastal areas. I have heard anecdotal evidence of wealthy Asians from real estate agents. It does not add to the billions you quote. I had wealthy Chinese neighbors - husband and wife are software engineers at Google.

 

[nahtanbob]

So when are BJP members getting banned?

Do the ‘members of the Arab Royal families’ running totalitarian regimes count? Oh, right - some of them are actually getting the F-35

Just more hypocrisy on the part of the Trump Administration & US Establishment chasing Communist bogeymen.

What communist bogeyman ? US residency laws have targetted communists for past 70 years. Nothing new here. If you are a naturalized US citizen you had to answer "I am not a communist"

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What communist bogeyman ? US residency laws have targetted communists for past 70 years. Nothing new here. If you are a naturalized US citizen you had to answer "I am not a communist"

Precedent doesn’t change the fact that the US Establishment is stuck chasing communism bogeymen because of an inability or lack of desire to leave behind their Cold War mindset.