United States closes immigration door to communists in clear swipe at China

[mike2000 is back]

A witch hunt.



How about the extremely capitalist and non-Communist India ( my country ) ? Has it been a resounding success or something else ?

Those 300,000+ Indian farmers who committed suicide between 2005 and 2015 because of socio-economic reasons... who knows how many before... why that happened ?

I never said it was a bad thing for them to change policy and adopt something more beneficial for the country. In fact that is something to be commended actually, since not every country that make such a radical change in policy and even ideology so fast. Reason I always commended and admired Deng Xiaoping, since he was a pragmatic and wanted to adopt any model/system that can change and uplift his country contrary to maoists who were more ideological and didn't want any change mostly due to ideology . So according to me Deng should actually be the man of this past half century since it is not easy to radically change such a vast country's policy and ideology in a mere decade of rule and this was inspired of stiff resistance and challenge he faced against the maoists in his party who were against any reform. So I actually admire and commend him alot. There was no reason for China not to be wealthy/developed since China is at the centre of Confucian societies like Japan/Korea, Taiwan, or even Singapore, and all these countries are ultra developed, there was no reason China which was the centre of these countries society/culture should have been poor or behind them. Weather you look at race, IQ, culture, belief, work culture etc etc they are all similar. So no reason the country should have been poor or lagging behind other than adopting a suitable system, which Deng understood and acted accordingly.

So it's normal to change and reform if a particular system has proved to be failure. Same with India actually, they should look to adopt a system that best work for then if their current system if that said system has proven to be a failure. Not sure the Chinese system will suit India though. Since they are both different in race, culture, tradition, beliefs, work ethic, national makeup, character, etc etc. So what might have worked in China won't necessarily work in India. However, India does need reform of some of it's backward laws.

 

[jamahir]

I never said it was a bad thing for them to change policy and adopt something more beneficial for the country. In fact that is something to be commended actually, since not every country that make such a radical change in policy and even ideology so fast. Reason I always commended and admired Deng Xiaoping, since he was a pragmatic and wanted to adopt any model/system that can change and uplift his country contrary to maoists who were more ideological and didn't want any change mostly due to ideology . So according to me Deng should actually be the man of this past half century since it is not easy to radically change such a vast country's policy and ideology in a mere decade of rule and this was inspired of stiff resistance and challenge he faced against the maoists in his party who were against any reform. So I actually admire and commend him alot. There was no reason for China not to be wealthy/developed since China is at the centre of Confucian societies like Japan/Korea, Taiwan, or even Singapore, and all these countries are ultra developed, there was no reason China which was the centre of these countries society/culture should have been poor or behind them. Weather you look at race, IQ, culture, belief, work culture etc etc they are all similar. So no reason the country should have been poor or lagging behind other than adopting a suitable system, which Deng understood and acted accordingly.

So it's normal to change and reform if a particular system has proved to be failure. Same with India actually, they should look to adopt a system that best work for then if their current system if that said system has proven to be a failure. Not sure the Chinese system will suit India though. Since they are both different in race, culture, tradition, beliefs, work ethic, national makeup, character, etc etc. So what might have worked in China won't necessarily work in India. However, India does need reform of some of it's backward laws.

It may be that Confucius' teachings were responsible for Mao to be able to intellectually question the socio-economic structure of modern China and gather people to effect changes.

I don't know much about Deng Xiaoping but we must question external things like his government's participation in the 80s Afghan war on the side of NATO and its global terrorists who destroyed the country. Internal to China we must also speak about about China's existent homeless people while at the same time some Chinese members on PDF brag about the high house prices in Shanghai and Hong Kong as if that's something good. The sensible Chinese member @CHN Bamboo had said that the stock exchanges in Shanghai and Shenzhen were established to stabilize something ( I don't remember now what ) but why are they still existing ? Just typing "poor in China" will give you these images which say that those reforms that Deng Xiaoping did haven't really made China into a equity-based, harmonious society. The fact of more Chinese able to own cars should not mean that China is a paradise. And to give an off-topic comment here, private car ownership for personal transport should be banned globally.

As for India, it is largely a chaotic, apathy-filled, undisciplined and unequal society where the middle class is not enlightened enough to rise up in revolt. The middle class is happy with cricket, marriage, college "education", jobs, religion and like you mentioned, backward laws and practices. Watch this mad woman banging on an eating plate to drive away Corona in the religion-connected manner that Modi advised to Indians or at least his supporters. But I have hope for India. The young left-wing youth leaders like Kanhaiya Kumar, Shehla Rashid and Umar Khalid are doing a great job in speaking of what is wrong which consequently will lead to asking "What should be done".

 

[AViet]

You are on my ignore list since you can't have a decent conversation/exchange other than making personal attacks.

I have lived in the UK for a while and followed your media for at least 25 years. I can read English, French and a little Italian. Probably I know about your media (and your country) much better than you do about ours.

Have you ever lived in China or Vietnam?. Can you read either Chinese, Vietnamese or Korean, or at least try to learn, to get a fair amount of neutral information, which are not prejudiced against any country outside of Anglo-Saxon world and specially against China and Vietnam for the last 30 years.

In this forum, you have made so many wrong assumptions about China, which seem to be exclusively based on your "free media".

 

[nahtanbob]

You are brainwashed by your own media to think so. There are of course some members in CCP doing so, but the ratio is so small and negligible. Absolute majority of Chinese trust the current system, perhaps much more that Westerners trust their democracy.

Your words just show that most Westerners have been brainwashed to a serious level. OK, your average IQ may be a little low to accept that fact. That's why your countries are going down and the trend cannot be reversed. When so many British youngsters believe that 5G columns can transmit coronavirus, the world have seen how low you have become.

We can change our system. You cannot. case closed

 

[vostok]

We can change our system. You cannot. case closed

Last time you did it in 1774. Chinese - in 1949.

 

[nahtanbob]

Last time you did it in 1774. Chinese - in 1949.

There is little practical resemblance between the American system in 1776 and in 2020

Chinese Communist Party took power in 1949. They have made changes on socio-economic side

 

[Figaro]

United States closes immigration door to communists in clear swipe at China

• Communist party members will not be granted permanent residence or citizenship, US Citizen and Immigration Services says
• Global Times editor-in-chief says move will help China to keep more of its ‘talents’

Keegan Elmer in Beijing
Published: 7:00pm, 4 Oct, 2020

The US has amended its immigration policy to make it more difficult for members of communist parties to get permanent residency or citizenship. Photo: Xinhua


The US has released guidance on its immigration laws that will make it almost impossible for members of a Communist party or similar to be granted permanent residence or citizenship of America.
The announcement was made in a policy alert issued on Friday by the US Citizen and Immigration Services (USCIS).
In a sign Washington is dusting off its Cold War-era legislation, the agency said: “In general, unless otherwise exempt, any intending immigrant who is a member or affiliate of the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party … domestic or foreign, is inadmissible to the United States.”

The law effectively blocks members of any communist party from ever obtaining permanent residency or citizenship of the US, and reinforces the widening ideology gap between the world’s two largest economies that has already damaged people-to-people exchanges.


The USCIS said the policy amendment was “part of a broader set of laws passed by Congress to address threats to the safety and security of the United States”.
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While the alert did not mention the Chinese Communist Party, which has 90 million members, by name, it adds a new dimension to the ongoing rivalry between Beijing and Washington.

Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief Chinese tabloid newspaper Global Times, took a positive view of the rule change, saying the immigration restriction would help “keep more talents in China”.

“Many outstanding talents in China are Communist Party members,” he said on Twitter.

According to the announcement, exceptions may be granted if a party member can prove they joined “for the purposes of obtaining employment, food rations, or other essentials of living”.

The policy builds on a law dating back to 1918 that classified communists, anarchists and others as security threats because of their political affiliations.

The US also reinforced its immigration laws during the Cold War, its decades-long stand-off with the Soviet Union.
The 1950 Internal Security Act was the first to exclude foreign members of communist or totalitarian parties from becoming naturalised US citizens.

There are no official figures for how many members of the Chinese Communist Party have residency or citizenship in the US.


Since taking office in 2012, Chinese president Xi Jinping has launched several campaigns to crack down on government officials holding US green cards or other foreign passports. Under Communist Party rules, members face expulsion for taking up foreign residency and Chinese law forbids any citizen from adopting dual citizenship.

According to the Migration Policy Institute, a US think tank, there were 2.5 million Chinese immigrants in the United States in 2018, or about 5.5 per cent of its total foreign-born population.
The same year, China accounted for 67,000 of the 1.1 million people granted permanent residency of the US, ranking it third in the nation of origin table after Mexico and Cuba.

Almost all Chinese government officials are members of the Communist Party, as are most executives of state-owned enterprises and officials at public institutions.

Past and present members include: Li Wenliang, the Wuhan doctor who flagged the risk of coronavirus, and
Ren Zhiqiang
, the property tycoon and critic of Xi who was last month sentenced to 18 years in prison on corruption charges. He had earlier been expelled from the party.
China hawks in Washington are trying to separate the Chinese people from the ruling Communist Party.

On October 1, China’s National Day, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a note of congratulations to “the people of China”. Beijing responded by saying any effort to separate the ruling Communist Party from its people was doomed to fail.
Earlier in the year, US policymakers considered banning Chinese Communist Party members from even entering the country, Reuters and The New York Times reported.

US closes immigration door to communists in clear swipe at China

Communist party members will not be granted permanent residence or citizenship, US Citizen and Immigration Services says.

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Hmmmm....not sure this is a good move, since the US was receiving billions of dollars from corrupt top CCP members who either emigrate to the US or invest heavily there or buy green cards. I believe the US should have encouraged this even more, for their own national interests, instead of banning them. They will just move to other Western countries which is a loss for the US.

Isn't this kind of shooting yourself in the foot considering the Chinese Communist Party members in the US are usually very wealthy and buy up a lot of real estate/spend a lot of money here in the States? Why not just let them come so they can spend more money? I bet they were one of the primary drivers of real estate prices in California and Washington especially.

 

[letsrock]

It's more about Communist Party membership and is quite natural. Why would the Capitalists let Communists in their country? A party that directly contradicts the values of capitalism.
It is not the hypocrisy of the west rather the hypocrisy of the communist who sells communism to their poor awam and sends their kids to western countries for better education, medical treatment, or straight out leaves for the US with their ill gotten wealth.

THey should ban immigration from brahmins, RSS as well. Why would such fascists be allowed in a state with strong protestions for fundamental rights.

 

[nahtanbob]

Isn't this kind of shooting yourself in the foot considering the Chinese Communist Party members in the US are usually very wealthy and buy up a lot of real estate/spend a lot of money here in the States? Why not just let them come so they can spend more money? I bet they were one of the primary drivers of real estate prices in California and Washington especially.

Talk about peanuts in the grand scheme of things

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The issue here is that China has to self introspect and ask itself why many of it's officials are sending their ill gotten wealth,, family abroad , emigrating abroad in large numbers. Means there is something terribly wrong with the party anti corruption system. Seems it's due to the fact that the partys anti corruption agency is not independent itself and so is prone to party leanings and control. So it might not target those who have a say in it's running.
The fact that many wealthy Chinese are buying citizenship in western countries and stashing their wealth in the West should be the main question for most Chinese actually.

Name 3. Just 3 names. I can even only think of 2: Guo Wengui and Lai Chang Xing (who was extradited back to China and is now in prison for life).

I don't know a single Chinese billionaire or official who made their money/office in China, then moved to the west with their money. Small fry millionaires or county level officials? Maybe, but nobody knows their names. Billionaires? Even provincial level officials? Never.

But there's proof of Chinese making their money in the west/getting skills in the west, then taking it to China and becoming billionaires: best known one is Robin Li, founder of Baidu.

 

[nahtanbob]

Name 3. Just 3 names. I can even only think of 2: Guo Wengui and Lai Chang Xing (who was extradited back to China and is now in prison for life).

I don't know a single Chinese billionaire or official who made their money/office in China, then moved to the west with their money. Small fry millionaires or county level officials? Maybe, but nobody knows their names. Billionaires? Even provincial level officials? Never.

But there's proof of Chinese making their money in the west/getting skills in the west, then taking it to China and becoming billionaires: best known one is Robin Li, founder of Baidu.

When did China start making billionaires. There were none 20 years ago.

Give some time. the billionaires (most likely their offspring) will take the money and run off to the West. No one wants to live in a society with arbitrary/selective enforcements of the law.

 

[vostok]

There is little practical resemblance between the American system in 1776 and in 2020

Chinese Communist Party took power in 1949. They have made changes on socio-economic side

Those changes inside your system are quite little comparing to real changes of the system - Chinese did it in 1911 and 1949, Russians in 1917 and 1991, and you Americans in 1774. So I do not think you have any monopoly on system change ability.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

When did China start making billionaires. There were none 20 years ago.

Give some time. the billionaires (most likely their offspring) will take the money and run off to the West. No one wants to live in a society with arbitrary/selective enforcements of the law.

Jack Ma just retired. Where's his money going? Nowhere. It went back into Alibaba.

Robin Li took his talent and moved it to China to become a billionaire. In the US he was just a regular financial analyst. Think he's ever going to go back to that?

Who cares what their offspring do? They won't have control over the companies once they go public.

 

[nahtanbob]

Those changes inside your system are quite little comparing to real changes of the system

1776
voting was restricted to white males.
slavery was allowed
no popular vote based elections for senators, governors
13 states
no immigration for non-white people
small standing army
weak federal government
no social safety net

2020
universal voting for all citizens minus felons
no slavery
popular vote based elections for senators, governors
50 states
immigration for non-white people
powerful national security state
powerful federal government
good social safety net for old people

 

[Chhatrapati]

THey should ban immigration from brahmins, RSS as well. Why would such fascists be allowed in a state with strong protestions for fundamental rights.

I don't think so, but if that makes you happy just sign the papers and apply for US presidential election then win the elections and ban brahmins lol.