UNHCR Chief: China can play key role in solving refugee crises

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

"Root causes" is a euphemism for denial of the proposition that the problems in the Middle-East/North Africa could have anything to do with doctrine. It is predicted upon the assertion that when people profess a set of beliefs that would obviously lead to violence, we are to assume that they are, in fact, either lying or deluded. Apparently, the true cause of all violence and misery are despotism , poverty or foreign intervention. It can have nothing to do with belief.

It does not matter whether or not China has done anything to cause the present situation. If you believe in the above-mentioned thesis, then there is always some tangential proof that all counties are complicit in causing the misery that is currently unfolding.

A bunch of big words and fancy talk to convey a garbled message that is nonsensical to its core.

Reminds me of Indian government actually. Talk talk talk and confuse the hell out of the common man with abstract quasi logic.

You miss the nuance of language but that's all right.

What I said was this - the global response to the situation in the Middle-East/North Africa can be either based in reality or in victimhood. It seems to me that you are basing your response on reality. That is unacceptable to the SJW platform. According to it, all problems faced by people in that region can be laid on the doorstep of other nations. Of course, while they specifically talk about Western nations, it would logically apply to all nations, insofar as they have dealt with that part of the world in any manner.

For example, I am sure that you are aware that the presence of Israel is often cited as a primary reason for the situation in that part of the world. Support for the Zionist entity is a major reason why the US is blamed. Question is, does the Chinese government have any dealing with the Zionist entity? Defence? Trade? If the answer is yes, then why is China not indirectly responsible for the current situation?

Then we come to the issue of Iran. According to the Saudis and their allies, Iran is the principal instigator in the region. Does China buy oil or invest in Iran? If yes, there you go again.

The House of al Saud and other authoritarian regimes in the Middle-East are also cited as a reason for the discord. Does China buy oil from these nations? If yes, then it must follow that the Chinese are propping up illegitimate, oppressive regimes, against whom much of the public anger is directed.

So you see, whichever way you look at it, you can always find indirect correlation between what a country does and the consequences in the Arab World. According to this theory, there is essentially no difference between the US military support for the House of al Saud and others buying oil.

Of course, one could also take the sane, rational and more nuanced view that interacting with Arab governments as part of international commerce does not mean that China or any other country is responsible for the chaos. But that would mean that at least part of the blame had to be shared by the Arabs themselves. And we cannot allow that, can we?

Hey, don't get angry at me. I am just the messenger. Hope your doubts are now clarified.

Seriously? you take indirect consequence too far by orders of magnitude.

From your logic, a gorilla could fart really hard and be held indirectly responsible for global warming.

 

[Jacob Martin]

A bunch of big words and fancy talk to convey a garbled message that is nonsensical to its core.

Reminds me of Indian government actually. Talk talk talk and confuse the hell out of the common man with abstract quasi logic.




Seriously? you take indirect consequence too far by orders of magnitude.

From your logic, a gorilla could fart really hard and be held indirectly responsible for global warming.

Dear funny gorilla - the subtleties of the English language are clearly beyond you. So give it a rest. If you think that fancy words result in a garbled message then stick to your elementary discourse with equally dim-witted members. You will get along just fine.

And now, since there is nothing to be gained by wasting even a second of my time on you, I will press the IGNORE button and banish you forever.

 

[Shotgunner51]

"Root causes" is a euphemism for denial of the proposition that the problems in the Middle-East/North Africa could have anything to do with doctrine. It is predicted upon the assertion that when people profess a set of beliefs that would obviously lead to violence, we are to assume that they are, in fact, either lying or deluded. Apparently, the true cause of all violence and misery are despotism , poverty or foreign intervention. It can have nothing to do with belief.

It does not matter whether or not China has done anything to cause the present situation. If you believe in the above-mentioned thesis, then there is always some tangential proof that all counties are complicit in causing the misery that is currently unfolding.

Poverty is bad, it results in exodus of economic migrants seeking for greener pastures, but war is at a whole different level, it forcefully displaces people into refugees who are then barely seeking the most fundamental human need - survival. Every normal human being should be sympathetic towards the war refugees, and support them with humanitarian aid, but at the same time we should ask the question, who created those wars?

Dig deeper, a more important question would be, who benefit from prolonging or even expanding wars? Say anyone dumping arms, anyone profit from boosting safe haven currency, or anyone profit from altering energy supply chain? I agree with you, foreign intervention has a part in it, if not the decisive fuel on fire.

We Chinese are not against the tragic refugees, we are willing to pick up a fair share of aid, say proportionate to our share of UN General Budget. We are just baffled by the stunt of this UN refugee chief to lure China into a bottomless trap, by his insincerity about the "root cause".

Syria is one of the biggest ongoing man-made humanitarian crisis. China firmly calls for political resolution, it's the only way to bring this war-torn country back in one piece, refugees can go back home and lead normal lives. Together with Syrian people, Russian allies, Chinese are committed to rebuilding the nation, see post #11-12. As broader part of the resolution, it's time for all foreign war profiteers to back off, they have caused enough tragedy, perhaps they have even caused unsustainable financial risk for they own countrymen, they should cash out before it's too late, before things get out of hand and backfire.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Poverty is bad, it results in exodus of economic migrants seeking for greener pastures, but war is at a whole new level, it forcefully displaces people into refugees who are only looking for most fundamental human need - survival. Every normal human being should be sympathetic towards the refugees, and support them with humanitarian aid, but at the same time we should ask the question, who created those wars?

A more important question would be, who benefited from prolonging or even expanding wars? Say anyone dumping arms, anyone profit from boosting safe haven currency, or anyone profit from altering energy supply chain? I agree with you, foreign intervention has a part in it, if not the decisive fuel.

We Chinese are not against the tragic refugees, we are willing to pick up a fair share of aid, say proportionate to our share of UN General Budget. We are just baffled by the stunt of this UN refugee chief to lure China into a trap, by his insincerity about the "root cause".

Syria is one of the biggest ongoing man-made humanitarian crisis. China firmly calls for political resolution, it's the only way to bring this war-torn country back in one piece, refugees can go back home and lead normal lives. As part of the resolution, it's time for all foreign war profiteers to back off, they have caused enough tragedy. Together with Syrian people, Russian allies, Chinese are committed to rebuilding the nation. See post #11-12:

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Yes indeed the Refugees deserve sympathy. But not of the sort that is being heaped upon them. This canard of "root causes" does not address the basic reason as to why these root causes exist.

You mentioned war profiteering and who benefits from the situation. Well, these are the actors in the conflict. But actors need a backdrop and script. That is provided by ideology, sectarianism and lack of secular education and values. To say that what Syrians and Iraqis are as people is irrelevant to the debate is like saying that what the Chinese are as a people is irrelevant to the fate of China.

It is not my contention that these people should be punished for being the way they are. I wish the best for them. But the immediate goal of ensuring their safety is achieved when they are brought across the border into refugee camp in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia. Question is - what happens from there on?

I don't think the answer lies in exporting them to Europe, or China, or North America for that matter. Maybe the most vulnerable such as Christians, Yezidis, homosexuals and other minority groups. But as for the rest, the aim must be that they return to their homes. Same applies to the North Africans and those from sub-Saharan Africa.

And that is where the rest of the world has to bite the bullet. Taking in refugees is pointless as there are still millions left over to suffer and die. The war must end, it is the moral duty if the world to ensure that it does. And when it does end, the rehabilitation process must start. Security (even if it means a multinational occupation force), secular education for children, new Constitutions, an economic revitalization plan and a socio-religious reformation movement. That is the only workable solution in the long run.

As for anyone who thinks that this is a utopian expectation, I have this to say. It is undoubtedly a challenge, but surely less that the challenge of taking in millions of refugees and hoping that they integrate into a society they are not equipped to deal with without dramatic consequences.

I wish these people get a happy life. But that is not feasible by the stop-gap measure for taking in refugees. These countries have to be made better places and their lives have to be made compatible with the modern world.

 

[nang2]

The war must end, it is the moral duty if the world to ensure that it does.

You are absolutely right. It is also absolutely hard because it was started by the world most powerful country, which has a navy that is stronger than pretty much all other countries combined.

 

[Jacob Martin]

You are absolutely right. It is also absolutely hard because it was started by the world most powerful country, which has a navy that is stronger than pretty much all other countries combined.

The problem is, Western nations are caught in a chaotic response. There is obviously a certain degree of power games at play. But I don't see how Germany, France and Italy and others facing the refugee situation would be interested in prolonging the situation. They, however, feel that direct intervention would be extremely unpopular, firstly because of the experience in Iraq and Afghanistan and also because they don't even have any tangible objectives. No one knows who the bad guys are, really.

Since direct intervention is ruled out, they have had to fall back on plan B, which is use proxies which is always a disaster. They have to stop thinking in the short term and think about the future. Their current policies will not achieve a desirable outcome.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Totally agree!

For once I agree with the Chinese consensus here.

Middle East's situation has nothing to do with China, and China shouldn't be involved.

In fact, I also agree that China should accept mostly overseas Chinese, and East Asians/South East Asians as immigrants (this includes Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Thai, Burmese etc.)

 

[nang2]

The problem is, Western nations are caught in a chaotic response. There is obviously a certain degree of power games at play. But I don't see how Germany, France and Italy and others facing the refugee situation would be interested in prolonging the situation. They, however, feel that direct intervention would be extremely unpopular, firstly because of the experience in Iraq and Afghanistan and also because they don't even have any tangible objectives. No one knows who the bad guys are, really.

Since direct intervention is ruled out, they have had to fall back on plan B, which is use proxies which is always a disaster. They have to stop thinking in the short term and think about the future. Their current policies will not achieve a desirable outcome.

What they really stop is not the thinking in the short term. It is to think that they could be wrong. What they are caught in is not chaotic response, but self-righteousness that justifies their armed intervention in Syria. The very notion of "leave Syria alone" is unthinkable to them.

 

[Imran Khan]

do not let them enter of be ready to be bombed

do not let them enter of be ready to be bombed

 

[terranMarine]

Filippo Grandi can suggest his "wealthy" Italy to absorb all the refugees from ME which is wrecked by the US and participated EU countries. China can only contribute with aid, as long US and some ME countries keep causing chaos in that region nothing can solve these suffering.

 

[AndrewJin]

Filippo Grandi can suggest his "wealthy" Italy to absorb all the refugees from ME which is wrecked by the US and participated EU countries. China can only contribute with aid, as long US and some ME countries keep causing chaos in that region nothing can solve these suffering.

China should aid US to absorb millions of refugees by providing verbal encouragement.
Words transcend everything mundane.

 

[TaiShang]

China should aid US to absorb millions of refugees by providing verbal encouragement.
Words transcend everything mundane.

After all, what is the lady liberty for? Pentagon/CIA bombs and overthrows. Lady Liberty should embrace the post-US intervention human movement.

Besides, the US has the world's fastest money printing press; with privileges comes greater responsibility.

China is a developing nation with immense national development tasks to address.

 

[Daniel808]

This is call, after defecating, ask other people wipe their bottom.


Even Japan not dumb.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...apan-refuses-99-percent-refugee-applications/

Chinese and Japanese don't want their Cities become like Paris today

Paris Today

 

[AndrewJin]

Chinese and Japanese don't want their Cities become like Paris today

Paris Today

wow, chaotic!
But no cow sh*ts.....one good thing among many bads

 

[powastick]

Chinese and Japanese don't want their Cities become like Paris today

Paris Today

I bet they refuse to stay at refugee camps.