Unfair advantage of Deaths and Drones

[I.R.A]

Gosh!
why 're you guys always ready to split and slice at the mere mention of Kashmir?

Just assume we admire its natural scenery and right now its being wasted in others' hands.

But the question still remains why didnt NS take up this issue in UN? I agree UN's help would not 've changed much, but Pak could've got the support of other nations in this matter.

You never replied about UN's and your country's stance on Afghanistan invasion?

Which nations would have supported to control a world bully? And as far as foreign policies are concerned my knowledge is very limited, and what I (with my little brain) can say is had Pakistan not played all time loyal to just one super power and had made friends with USSR at that time, the history of this region would have been different today.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The only purpose is not only to kill miscreants hiding in caves or hideouts I think, what about the intel gathering afterwards? Would chemicals allow our troops to do that?

yes

chemical suits and gas masks were developed as early as 1914.
also the chemical agents have a limited duration. but long enough (for those who escape the direct impact of the shockwave from the conventional bomb or the flames from the flame thrower ) to suffocate and kill them.

 

[I.R.A]

yes

chemical suits and gas masks were developed as early as 1914.
also the chemical agents have a limited duration. but long enough (for those who escape the direct impact of the shockwave from the conventional bomb or the flames from the flame thrower ) to suffocate and kill them.

Well your field you may know better, gola barood apny sir pay say guzar jata hai.

 

[Levina]

You never replied about UN's and your country's stance on Afghanistan invasion?

well my country took the same stance as your country, we offered intelligence and other forms of support for the Coalition forces. And we alsoestablished diplomatic relations(after taliban govt was overthrown), provided aid and participated in the reconstruction efforts. We still train their men.
I also know that, when US invaded Afghanistan our army was on high alert in kashmir, the mobile networks were jammed for months.
But then if it was about UN's incompetency, then I think by now the entire world knows about it. Albeit Pakistan raising its voice against drone attacks would 've made the world to look at it from a diff perspective.

Which nations would have supported to control a world bully? And as far as foreign policies are concerned my knowledge is very limited, and what I (with my little brain) can say is had Pakistan not played all time loyal to just one super power and had made friends with USSR at that time, the history of this region would have been different today.

I'm not sure how the equation would've worked, because Pakistan had always blamed Russian attacks ('79) for the formation of terrorist groups in Afghanistan. There's no way Russia would've chosen Pakistan over India.

Just assume we admire its natural scenery and right now its being wasted in others' hands.

Keep your hands off it!!

I'm sure at some point you'll realize that harping on to kashmir issue has not benefited your country in any way. We can bury the hatchet and move on, that would work in favor of both the countries. (I am sure you know it)

 

[Sine Nomine]

It's quite expected with PPP,but do you remember how PMLN before the elections had a tough stand against Drone strikes,the very moment they came into power,they couldn't do shit and didn't do shit.

Both are front and back of same card.....

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Well your field you may know better, gola barood apny sir pay say guzar jata hai.

just saying

also, in the confined space, any intensive fire either from a flame thrower or phosphorus grenade / Napalm will burn out all the available oxygen. there was a small ethical debate about using a non destructive weapon in Afghanistan by the NATO forces that was not supposed to create a fireball or shockwave like any conventional but actually suck the entire oxygen from deep caves, killing the occupants or forcing them out of the caves.

 

[Víðarr]

There was a small ethical debate about using a non destructive weapon in Afghanistan by the NATO forces that was not supposed to create a fireball or shockwave like any conventional but actually suck the entire oxygen from deep caves, killing the occupants or forcing them out of the caves.

A very small, very quiet debate considering Thermoberic weapons have been deployed in such a
scenario. Effectiveness tends to trump ethics in military affairs.

Also Sir, might I be able to solicit your thoughts on the ethics of armed UAVs (if you've already offered it, sorry, I didn't read through the whole thread)? The thread title called armed UAVs and "unfair advantage", and they do operate with less restrictions than the man-on-the-ground who is bound to restrictive ROEs, but unfair? I can't agree with that. Use it if you've got it, so long as it's not illegal.

Thank you

 

[I.R.A]

well my country took the same stance as your country, we offered intelligence and other forms of support for the Coalition forces. And we alsoestablished diplomatic relations(after taliban govt was overthrown), provided aid and participated in the reconstruction efforts. We still train their men.
I also know that, when US invaded Afghanistan our army was on high alert in kashmir, the mobile networks were jammed for months.
But then if it was about UN's incompetency, then I think by now the entire world knows about it. Albeit Pakistan raising its voice against drone attacks would 've made the world to look at it from a diff perspective.

For us it opened another hostile border. And world already knows and cannot do sh*t about it, there is no different perspective when you have to bow and obey the world bully for your national interests or even in some cases prevention of toppling of governments and regimes.

I'm not sure how the equation would've worked, because Pakistan had always blamed Russian attacks ('79) for the formation of terrorist groups in Afghanistan. There's no way Russia would've chosen Pakistan over India.

I am talking about 1950s. 1979 could have been prevented through effective diplomacy if we had somehow not taken an oath in our early age to serve and be loyal to one and only one power.

Keep your hands off it!!

I'm sure at some point you'll realize that harping on to kashmir issue has not benefited your country in any way. We can bury the hatchet and move on, that would work in favor of both the countries. (I am sure you know it)

Well its a stamina race and lets see who wins, you can wish we will fall behind but by now you must have understood we are not short on stamina

 

[Irfan Baloch]

A very small, very quiet debate considering Thermoberic weapons have been deployed in such a
scenario. Effectiveness tends to trump ethics in military affairs.

Also Sir, might I be able to solicit your thoughts on the ethics of armed UAVs (if you've already offered it, sorry, I didn't read through the whole thread)? The thread title called armed UAVs and "unfair advantage", and they do operate with less restrictions than the man-on-the-ground who is bound to restrictive ROEs, but unfair? I can't agree with that. Use it if you've got it, so long as it's not illegal.

Thank you

thanks for reminding me the name of the weapon. I did offer my take right in the starting page.
Unfair advantage of Deaths and Drones


and yes I agree
ends justify the means


cheers

 

[That Guy]

Current laws are severely behind current tech, and that gab I only growing by the day. I have always advocated future proof the constitution and bill of rights. Simply reading about tech that scientists are working on that will come out in 10, 20, or 30 years from now, can help dramatically to keep laws and tech at a similar level.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You seem like a well informed poster, can you tell me in Parachinar is it a airstrip or an air base?

wait ...What about Parachinar?

 

[rockstar08]

Drone is a Technology that can be use in Good and bad ways ...
Misuse of any Tech can be harmful ...

drones kill innocent people too , reasons can be different .. but people create a general perception about it .. and that leads to a hardcore haters and hardcore supporters of drone ..

 

[I.R.A]

wait ...What about Parachinar?

I was wondering whether that is an airstrip or an airbase. To me its location under current circumstances is somehow .......... considering the blockade and things like that. I may sound stupid but its my personal view.

 

[WAJsal]

Now answer this, before this operation whenever pakistan bombed militants. Only militants were killed?

Does it concern your low life in any sort?if not i wouldn't emphasize on it.