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That will start pretty soon if we are always going to have different sets of standards for everyone. What is ARMY? More then 90% people of Lower & lower middle class background. If social issues like mentioned in the article are not addressed soon, you will see 'loosing' your ARMY. I am not saying 'loosing' that they will surrender, they will join them...and that day Mr. No SELF-IDENTITY, people like you will just be having tails between your legs & regreting your mistakes
Ok we will see when Army will ally themselves with Talibans.The Army is not that much Islamic despite whatever you believe..So do you think Army will join Terrorists?Army has better things to do then join rag tag terrorists group.If Army wants it can grab power any time and run the country itself..it does not have to become a terrorist organization to do that.
 
india has a very polarized society as well...it has 3 or 4 top 10 billionaires and 60% of its society lives below $1 a day.....so i guess india and pakistan are not very worse off in terms of education standards and common man's living standards...


the only diffrence is TALIBAN


this video is a good refrence to india and its SIMILAR PROBLEMS.....
 
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Absolutely.India is also one of the most corrupted nation but Does Indians wage war against their own government..Absolutely not.This is just Talibans supporters propoganda.
 
Ok we will see when Army will ally themselves with Talibans.The Army is not that much Islamic despite whatever you believe..So do you think Army will join Terrorists?Army has better things to do then join rag tag terrorists group.If Army wants it can grab power any time and run the country itself..it does not have to become a terrorist organization to do that.

SHAH of IRAN ultimately lost his ARMY. BATISTA of CUBA ultimately lost his ARMY. CZAR of RUSSIA lost his army. All of the rulers in there times labeled the rebels as 'RAG TAGS' , LOOTERs etc. ARMY is not about few GENERALS who retire rich, have there KIDS settled abroad, get jobs in PENTAGON. If we are not going to correct the ills in the society the humane way, we are going to get repaid with interest.
When you cross WAGAH, you give at least 4 people on the PAKISTANI side 'speed money' while on the INDIAN side the number exceeds 10, the biggest joke on the indian end is the DOCTOR who gives you health clearance. But my concern is with my own home, to hell with INDIA nor I would like to find solace that they are worst.
 
I have met a lot of soldiers and non of them want to join Talibans.In fact they are very much anti taliban.Engima is another soldier here who is not a general and very much anti Pakistani.The fact is Army might support some revolution but certainly not Taibans which will cause utter danger to Pakistan National security.Let me put it this way..Would Iranis support Iran revolution if the population was killing each other in suisicde attacks and other terrorist activities.Anyway You are completely brainwashed and i highly doubt it will change your mind.My friend you need to wake up.Islamic Revolution can happen but it will not be through Talibans but something along the lines of General Zia Islaminization,.
 
it was a nice read. but i still believe that restoration of CJ was a big thing. to get rid of corruption u have to start from top.
otherwise article was all about statistical analysis and u cant really dispute the figures.
also pointin towards india is not a nice way to hide our drawbacks. that wont lead us anywhere. we must step fwd and accept the challenge of changin the system. india might be worse than pakistan in some cases but so wat. knowin that will not help us get rid of our problems.
 
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Friends why bother to compare Pakistan with India? This has been our problem all along - We should compare ourselves with Germany or France or Sweden, when it comes to moving towards a more JUST society and governance.

The CJ the entirety of Justice? Hardly. Marxist, class conflict based analysis the only analysis and prescription around? Hardly.
 
Friends why bother to compare Pakistan with India? This has been our problem all along - We should compare ourselves with Germany or France or Sweden, when it comes to moving towards a more JUST society and governance.

The CJ the entirety of Justice? Hardly. Marxist, class conflict based analysis the only analysis and prescription around? Hardly.

Mr. Muse they are comparing to India because a Indian started the thread, if it was a Pakistanie, then the discussion would have been very different.
 
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Please do not react defensively - in the same way that Pakistan ought not compare itself to India - India ought not compare itself to Pakistan --- WHY? because neither has shown itself to it's best potential because they have set the bar so low. Always set the bar higher and higher, so that the achievement is higher, do you understand this point?

Just to clarify, our ambition must be to achieve on a higher standard, whether we are Pakistan or India.
 
ROOT CAUSE OF PAKISTAN's PROBLEMS IS ITS GEOGRAPHY.
SOLUTION TO PAKISTAN's PROBLEMS IS ONLY TWO;
1- Either Zardari and Rehman Malik are removed from their respective positions
2- India be forced to leave Afghanistan.

In case non of above happens any time soon, I see a desisive battle with indians before next general elections in Pakistan.
 
In the wild, the aged and diseased animals are soon attacked by predators.

The same thing happens in international relations.

The article posted is valid but it doesn't give the full picture. It talks about the disease, but not the predators.
 
The article has many true aspects. I always maintain & believe that 'TALIBAN' is a reaction to extreme elitist injustices prevalent in PAKISTAN. Unfortunaltely & I wish I am wrong we are late to deal with these core issues.
At one corner we justify a PRESIDENT whose repute is known & has gotten away from all looting, murder etc. On the other hand we are fighting to impose STATE writ in SWAT etc. To have a successful outcome we need a 'fair' approach in all sectors of society. Now this is not happening nor the 'corrupt' changing there behaviours. In fact the CORRUPT ELITE is become more extreme. PB ARMS licenses are being openly sold, a 'charge is now fixed ' for TELECOM TOWERS....the list is huge. We the 'concerned' citizens of this country are overlooking the facts how the RULERS have sold the WORLD'S5th LARGEST GOLD DEPOSITS & Still selling our ASSETS.
If this HYPOCRISY is maintained in dealing JUSTICE then I declare, TALIBAN are the real gainers of all this , they will grow more rapidly & will eventually win.

Calling democracy kufr, refusing to offer prayers behind somebody who took part in elections. Blowing up girls schools. Destroying barber shops and video shops is supposed to be against the elitist? How come digging up graves and hanging of the dead bodies of people already dead, butchering Braelvi ulemas, outlawing lawyers, threatening TV reports of dire consequences if shown in the bad light also against the elitism and social inequality?

Taliban have as much political hierarchy as in any tribal culture. In actual fact most of the Taliban system is dictatorial. “Amir:” has to be obeyed regardless of right or wrong. There have been numerous cases of looting and outright criminal activity on the orders of the local commander. Lal Masjid Abdul Aziz even claimed that he saw the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in his dream! Who gave Fazlullah or Sufi Mohammed right to govern? You call all of this a reaction to social injustice!

No doubt there are great injustices and social inequality in Pakistan. One would expect a socialists bias in elections with slogans such as ‘Roti Kapra aur Makan’ by PPP to be effective. But to condone such barbarity as a reaction against social inequalities is worst kind of apologist thinking I can imagine.

I maintain that the retrogressive forces who sided with Congress and opposed creation of Pakistan are trying to take advantage of political and economic chaos following the Afghan invasion and trying to take control of Pakistan.

JI has shown her true colors thru their newly elected Amir Syed Munawwar Hassan openly declaring support for Sufi Mohamed and Taliban. This is nothing but ruse by opportunists to gain political power by whatever means at their disposal.

If case your geography is weak, world largest gold deposits are in South Africa. For your info China produced 260 tons of gold last year with South Africa 250 tons. This is one year's production!

On the other hand, even if you believe Tehrik Insaaf wildly exaggerated claim of 1.27 billion tons of ore with 0.54% copper and 0.24 grams gold per ton of ore; total amount of potential "inferred Gold" in the deposits comes to 336 tons. Just compare the two figures!

I am completely flabbergasted by the brain washing of the young and educated in Pakistan.
 
Calling democracy kufr, refusing to offer prayers behind somebody who took part in elections. Blowing up girls schools. Destroying barber shops and video shops is supposed to be against the elitist? How come digging up graves and hanging of the dead bodies of people already dead, butchering Braelvi ulemas, outlawing lawyers, threatening TV reports of dire consequences if shown in the bad light also against the elitism and social inequality?

Taliban have as much political hierarchy as in any tribal culture. In actual fact most of the Taliban system is dictatorial. “Amir:” has to be obeyed regardless of right or wrong. There have been numerous cases of looting and outright criminal activity on the orders of the local commander. Lal Masjid Abdul Aziz even claimed that he saw the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in his dream! Who gave Fazlullah or Sufi Mohammed right to govern? You call all of this a reaction to social injustice!

No doubt there are great injustices and social inequality in Pakistan. One would expect a socialists bias in elections with slogans such as ‘Roti Kapra aur Makan’ by PPP to be effective. But to condone such barbarity as a reaction against social inequalities is worst kind of apologist thinking I can imagine.

I maintain that the retrogressive forces who sided with Congress and opposed creation of Pakistan are trying to take advantage of political and economic chaos following the Afghan invasion and trying to take control of Pakistan.

JI has shown her true colors thru their newly elected Amir Syed Munawwar Hassan openly declaring support for Sufi Mohamed and Taliban. This is nothing but ruse by opportunists to gain political power by whatever means at their disposal.

If case your geography is weak, world largest gold deposits are in South Africa. For your info China produced 260 tons of gold last year with South Africa 250 tons. This is one year's production!

On the other hand, even if you believe Tehrik Insaaf wildly exaggerated claim of 1.27 billion tons of ore with 0.54% copper and 0.24 grams gold per ton of ore; total amount of potential "inferred Gold" in the deposits comes to 336 tons. Just compare the two figures!

I am completely flabbergasted by the brain washing of the young and educated in Pakistan.
Well Said Sir!:tup:These Taliban appologists might even consider Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah elitist.
 
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I have met a lot of soldiers and non of them want to join Talibans.In fact they are very much anti taliban.Engima is another soldier here who is not a general and very much anti Pakistani.The fact is Army might support some revolution but certainly not Taibans which will cause utter danger to Pakistan National security.Let me put it this way..Would Iranis support Iran revolution if the population was killing each other in suisicde attacks and other terrorist activities.Anyway You are completely brainwashed and i highly doubt it will change your mind.My friend you need to wake up.Islamic Revolution can happen but it will not be through Talibans but something along the lines of General Zia Islaminization,.

We can leave on'TIME' to show who is brainwashed. Because your feeble intellect can only absorb anything which your only WESTERN GOD- can send your way.
AITEZAZ EHSAN in his latest RAWALPINDI BAR address clearly & rightly mentioned the reason people might & are tilting towards TALIBANS. He said they are not providng any welfare or education but that TALIB sitting under the tree dispenses quick justice.
IF the state wants to implement its writ then it should on all levels of society. No room for NRO or any loan defaulter. Otherwise we are going to provide 'getting equal' oppurtunity to an already 'dipressed' & 'deprived' mass who will just find easy way to vent out there rage by joining TALIBS or whoever
 
Calling democracy kufr, refusing to offer prayers behind somebody who took part in elections. Blowing up girls schools. Destroying barber shops and video shops is supposed to be against the elitist? How come digging up graves and hanging of the dead bodies of people already dead, butchering Braelvi ulemas, outlawing lawyers, threatening TV reports of dire consequences if shown in the bad light also against the elitism and social inequality?

Taliban have as much political hierarchy as in any tribal culture. In actual fact most of the Taliban system is dictatorial. “Amir:” has to be obeyed regardless of right or wrong. There have been numerous cases of looting and outright criminal activity on the orders of the local commander. Lal Masjid Abdul Aziz even claimed that he saw the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in his dream! Who gave Fazlullah or Sufi Mohammed right to govern? You call all of this a reaction to social injustice!

No doubt there are great injustices and social inequality in Pakistan. One would expect a socialists bias in elections with slogans such as ‘Roti Kapra aur Makan’ by PPP to be effective. But to condone such barbarity as a reaction against social inequalities is worst kind of apologist thinking I can imagine.

I maintain that the retrogressive forces who sided with Congress and opposed creation of Pakistan are trying to take advantage of political and economic chaos following the Afghan invasion and trying to take control of Pakistan.

JI has shown her true colors thru their newly elected Amir Syed Munawwar Hassan openly declaring support for Sufi Mohamed and Taliban. This is nothing but ruse by opportunists to gain political power by whatever means at their disposal.

If case your geography is weak, world largest gold deposits are in South Africa. For your info China produced 260 tons of gold last year with South Africa 250 tons. This is one year's production!

On the other hand, even if you believe Tehrik Insaaf wildly exaggerated claim of 1.27 billion tons of ore with 0.54% copper and 0.24 grams gold per ton of ore; total amount of potential "inferred Gold" in the deposits comes to 336 tons. Just compare the two figures!

I am completely flabbergasted by the brain washing of the young and educated in Pakistan.

TALIBAN is a REACTION not a 'sect' or 'ethnic group'. Reactions are always equal to the preceding actions and are mostly senseless & extreme. If we are going to ignore the social diseases in our country, a lot of people will just join the TALIBS or even if you send in CHE GUEVERRA.
 

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