Undercover camera exposes the hate taught to Muslim children

[El Sidd]

and who is discussing here about Pakistan idiot. we are discussing one particular religion which is Islam spreading hate about other religion. Use your thick brain before you write.

India has a huge muzzie population and orthodox are in the government.

Female infanticide FGM child marriage and all the boogeyman of islam are constitutionally protected in India under personal laws.

 

[Joe Shearer]

None of that is hate. All are facts. Can you deny anything being said here?

That is an extremely silly argument. If an Islamophobe wished to, he could turn the tables and ridicule a lot of a particular religion. Could you deny anything being said in that hypothetical situation?

Why are you being incendiary? What business is it of anybody's whether somebody else worships a cow or not? And what business do they have taking that as a starting point to insist that mingling with such a person is harmful in some way?

This is the sort of thing that has directly led to the rise of the mirror image: brainwashed radical Hindus who defied the Constitution and disregarded the rule of law to break down the Babri Masjid.

well thats part of faith as i said, rejecting paganism, idolism is basic teaching of Islam and other Abrahamic faith but Quran also states that dont make fun of non Muslims' God, idols but you will never show this in video, thats why no Muslim ever blown up an idol in UK or India in many centuries bar those hot headed kings.

Didn't the video show somebody making fun of non-Muslim objects of reverence (not God; a cow is not a God by any stretch of the imagination)? As for never blowing up an idol, just look at the documented record of the destruction of Hindu temples in Pakistan, and you will get your answers. It is going on today, and it is not something from centuries ago.

Dear O.P this is doctored video and I fails to find full version which I watched couple of months ago the speaker or suppose to be teacher himself a student and expressing his views when asked to have speech on topic of his choice.
@waz @Irfan Baloch
Sir kindly check this thread...

And let me tell you about my views about this guy I himself a bigot and respective Govt should put him under observation plus the institution as well.

@Joe Shearer

If this is a doctored video, please find the original and publish it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. You can see for yourself how it is dividing members, and starting up a religion-based row, STRICTLY against the rules of the forum.

Hindus are telling Muslims what real Islam should be. This is way too funny.

When you guys are literally rubbing cow feces on your newborn children you will obviously be made fun of.

Those are primitive people with elementary, undeveloped views of the world. Laugh at them and you instantly radicalise them. Who do you think were the deranged lunatics who broke the law, defied the Constitution and tore down the Babri Masjid? And elected this present government? Not people like me; it was people who rub cow feces on their newborn children.

You should think three hundred times before mocking others. It is hugely different from trying to educate them, with sensitivity and genuine care and concern.

Trojan horses I tell you lol



Well no point in discussing Pakistan. The thread is about India.

Oh dear. I thought it was about a madrasa in Birmingham. Shows what stupid mistakes I can make, jumping to conclusions without looking at the title of the thread or the contents of the video.

Silly me.

I think so

That decides it, then. No need for any further argument.

Well the educational reforms are being introduced.

Pakistan as well as India

This is Britain.

I understand that there is increasing pressure to raise the number of madrassahs, and to ensure state funding on par with state support for other parochial schools.

i dont have time to think about pee drinkers.

As for superiority, well Muslim teach what is part of their Book, they dont need lectures from others just bcoz they feel inferior, they also teach their kids that dont make fun of their gods and idols, but you wont show that bcoz it does not suit sanghi agenda,

there are many speeches of Zakir naik on this issue. He proved many time that your own scriptures are against idol worshiping with proper references.

No, we dont agree on many things with jews and Christians thats why we are divided,, but we all agree on one thing that paganism and idolism are wrong..

That's fine. Nobody objects to that, not even those who hold reciprocal views about monotheism, about the Abrahamic religions, if you want to call it that.

The objectionable part is the hatred of others that is institutionalised. Try to focus on that and not drift away into something else.

i dont have time to think about pee drinkers.

As for superiority, well Muslim teach what is part of their Book, they dont need lectures from others just bcoz they feel inferior, they also teach their kids that dont make fun of their gods and idols, but you wont show that bcoz it does not suit sanghi agenda,

there are many speeches of Zakir naik on this issue. He proved many time that your own scriptures are against idol worshiping with proper references.

No, we dont agree on many things with jews and Christians thats why we are divided,, but we all agree on one thing that paganism and idolism are wrong..

That's fine. Nobody objects to that, not even those who hold reciprocal views about monotheism, about the Abrahamic religions, if you want to call it that.

The objectionable part is the hatred of others that is institutionalised. Try to focus on that and not drift away into something else.

save your lectures for your kids, read my comment again, Quran states dont insult gods of others.. This should be enough, no Muslim ever attacked your idols bar few medieval hot headed kings.

Right.

You must have maxed your history paper.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/95-o...een-destroyed-or-converted-since-1990.348047/

Symbol of love?

Man that's a love jihad monument.
Multiple wives.
Child marriage.
Oppression of women.


That monument is a fassadi building in India if you ask me.

Actually, nobody did.

Stick to the topic: madrassah induction of bigotry in small children in Britain, as captured on camera.

hate is mutual and we love it when you are eradicated by sane muslim forces fighting you. or american .

you are uneducated tahts why you say that. read history and story of taj. you talk like anyother muslim hater.

He is being heavily sarcastic; read his last few posts. He realises that is the only way to divert attention from something that is indefensible. Unfortunately, his red herring tactics are as obvious as he is. Just ignore his posts, read those of the others.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

Disgusting, they hate everyone who does not follow their teaching.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes, and none of that is hate, just mentioning Hindu beliefs. Cow is an animal which poops and pisses and occasionally people ride on them and they trample on people. Thats what is being said in the video. Can you deny any of that?

All that might be true (it isn't). What is being objected to is the inference drawn that those who venerate cows as an object of reverence, not worship, are sub-human.

Stick to the point, and don't wander off.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

That is an extremely silly argument. If an Islamophobe wished to, he could turn the tables and ridicule a lot of a particular religion. Could you deny anything being said in that hypothetical situation?

Why are you being incendiary? What business is it of anybody's whether somebody else worships a cow or not? And what business do they have taking that as a starting point to insist that mingling with such a person is harmful in some way?

This is the sort of thing that has directly led to the rise of the mirror image: brainwashed radical Hindus who defied the Constitution and disregarded the rule of law to break down the Babri Masjid.



Didn't the video show somebody making fun of non-Muslim objects of reverence (not God; a cow is not a God by any stretch of the imagination)? As for never blowing up an idol, just look at the documented record of the destruction of Hindu temples in Pakistan, and you will get your answers. It is going on today, and it is not something from centuries ago.



If this is a doctored video, please find the original and publish it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. You can see for yourself how it is dividing members, and starting up a religion-based row, STRICTLY against the rules of the forum.



Those are primitive people with elementary, undeveloped views of the world. Laugh at them and you instantly radicalise them. Who do you think were the deranged lunatics who broke the law, defied the Constitution and tore down the Babri Masjid? And elected this present government? Not people like me; it was people who rub cow feces on their newborn children.

You should think three hundred times before mocking others. It is hugely different from trying to educate them, with sensitivity and genuine care and concern.



Oh dear. I thought it was about a madrasa in Birmingham. Shows what stupid mistakes I can make, jumping to conclusions without looking at the title of the thread or the contents of the video.

Silly me.



That decides it, then. No need for any further argument.



This is Britain.

I understand that there is increasing pressure to raise the number of madrassahs, and to ensure state funding on par with state support for other parochial schools.



That's fine. Nobody objects to that, not even those who hold reciprocal views about monotheism, about the Abrahamic religions, if you want to call it that.

The objectionable part is the hatred of others that is institutionalised. Try to focus on that and not drift away into something else.



That's fine. Nobody objects to that, not even those who hold reciprocal views about monotheism, about the Abrahamic religions, if you want to call it that.

The objectionable part is the hatred of others that is institutionalised. Try to focus on that and not drift away into something else.



Right.

You must have maxed your history paper.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/95-o...een-destroyed-or-converted-since-1990.348047/



Actually, nobody did.

Stick to the topic: madrassah induction of bigotry in small children in Britain, as captured on camera.



He is being heavily sarcastic; read his last few posts. He realises that is the only way to divert attention from something that is indefensible. Unfortunately, his red herring tactics are as obvious as he is. Just ignore his posts, read those of the others.

This thread was opened by an Indian. I don't bother with this type of stuff, but how hard would it be for me to find a hate filled anti Muslim shiv sena video on youtube and try to stir controversy?

I know the intention of the opening Indian poster.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I did study in a Madrassah, thats why i know what they are on about. Its not hate its making concepts clear. We cannot imagine worshiping a cow or a monkey and half elephant. Hindus do all that, and its our right to tell our kids all that.

Sure.

Absolutely your right.

It is also your right to tell your kids to hate those Hindus. No problem.

Just remember that it is then the right of those Hindus to teach their children to hate those who hate them.

This thread was opened by an Indian. I don't bother with this type of stuff, but how hard would it be for me to find a hate filled anti Muslim shiv sena video on youtube and try to stir controversy?

I know the intention of the opening Indian poster.

I know the intention too, but as far as the authenticity of the video goes, it is horrifying. Whether it was opened by an Indian or not is not the point; whether that video reflects reality is the point.

Do you feel any need to convince me, for instance, or many other Indians who have posted here on this thread, that teaching hate is wrong? Or do you feel that we would teach hate, the way those bigots are teaching hate on the video? You've watched me on the forum long enough. Haven't you seen me go on record condemning, or more, Hindu bigots?

I am just interested academically

How strange that this is your stock defence whenever you are confronted with an obvious attempt at being provocative and personal.

What has anything you've said to do with the topic at hand? Is this what you call an "academic" debate in your circle?
wow.

It's just his patented diversionary tactics. I say 'patented' in an academic sense, of course.

The madrassah system has more culture in India than Pakistan.

Birmingham is in Britain.

 

[El Sidd]

How strange that this is your stock defence whenever you are confronted with an obvious attempt at being provocative and personal.

You carry the weight to make a Defence.

I don't.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Absolutely true. When we teach paganism and idolatry is wrong and ridicule cow worship it is hate speech lol when Charlie hebdo attacked and ridiculed Islam it was freedom of speech double standards and hypocrisy

As far as the video goes, it didn't stop at attacking paganism and idolatry; many Hindus would join in that attack. It went on to suggest that Hindus as an entire group are sub-human. Watch it again if you wish.

The double standards and hypocrisy comes in when you take an obvious hate speech, and equate it with an ill-founded and foolish attempt at humour.

You carry the weight to make a Defence.

I don't.

I suspect that your use of 'academic' language confuses even you at times. Although academician and others would all have difficulty with your metaphysical posts, like the one above.

I already reported that video since couples of month back I watched it on youtube with full version actually the speaker himself a student and giving a speech of his own choice.

I am glad you did that. However, the speaker being a student and giving a speech of his own choice doesn't justify his being given freedom to say what he did. Why was he not interrupted and corrected?

 

[El Sidd]

As far as the video goes, it didn't stop at attacking paganism and idolatry; many Hindus would join in that attack. It went on to suggest that Hindus as an entire group are sub-human. Watch it again if you wish.

The double standards and hypocrisy comes in when you take an obvious hate speech, and equate it with an ill-founded and foolish attempt at humour.



I suspect that your use of 'academic' language confuses even you at times. Although academician and others would all have difficulty with your metaphysical posts, like the one above.

Seems you have too much time to think through every word.

This is not a religious discussion but a social one.

It involves India as it's the only country where Islam and Hinduism directly interact.

BJP the current government has the right wing Moslem vote.

This is ISIS mentality and the recent reforms in Bangladesh are a good sign. India however has deeper issues.

Europe provided ISIS soldiers so that is no surprise either.

 

[Joe Shearer]

you shouldnt have problem, after all they are your fellow pee drinking brothers. We Pakistanis dont have time for thinking about pee and pee drinkers.

Well, Thats bcoz you live in cave. Have you ever notice you will rarely find ignorant Muslim saying shiva ki beep beep or ram beep beep? but you will find lots of sanghi swines writing insults with name of Allah and Prophet on almost every famous Pakistan related video on youtube.

Yeah you can prove but will not? Tumhare sare pandit mar gaye isi gham main..

are we talking about your sister or faith lots of faith can be similar.

Your post is a perfect example of what happens when people study in a Madrassah. Thank you for showing everybody how those places distort and poison minds.

Seems you have too much time to think through every word.

This is not a religious discussion but a social one.

It involves India as it's the only country where Islam and Hinduism directly interact.

BJP the current government has the right wing Moslem vote.

This is ISIS mentality and the recent reforms in Bangladesh are a good sign. India however has deeper issues.

Europe provided ISIS soldiers so that is no surprise either.

It is about a madrassah in Britain. Neither Pakistan nor India come into it. Good try, but no cigar.

Seems you have too much time to think through every word.

This is not a religious discussion but a social one.

It involves India as it's the only country where Islam and Hinduism directly interact.

BJP the current government has the right wing Moslem vote.

This is ISIS mentality and the recent reforms in Bangladesh are a good sign. India however has deeper issues.

Europe provided ISIS soldiers so that is no surprise either.

...and thank you for the compliment. I do wish ever so hard that I could reciprocate.

That is plain wrong and disgraceful, the said institution ha has undergone massive change, after it was judged inadequate by Oftsed. The video is seven years old and the school is still being monitored and inspected on a regular basis.

I want to hear this from you, and I will accept what you say: I trust you.

Has this egregious teaching of hatred stopped?

Moderate according to who? This is a Deobandi run high school, who are known for their stringent views regarding many things. As an Indian person you should have known this, considering the influence they have in India. This school has nothing to do with me, and the majority of Barelvi Pakistani Muslims, Shia Muslims and Sufi muslims from other nationalities.

Good point.

 

[Safriz]

Your post is a perfect example of what happens when people study in a Madrassah. Thank you for showing everybody how those places distort and poison minds.



It is about a madrassah in Britain. Neither Pakistan nor India come into it. Good try, but no cigar.



...and thank you for the compliment. I do wish ever so hard that I could reciprocate.



I want to hear this from you, and I will accept what you say: I trust you.

Has this egregious teaching of hatred stopped?





Good point.

and the old man missed his medication....again.

 

[Joe Shearer]

and the old man missed his medication....again.

If that helps you defend what you wrote, feel free to make comments like that. Even with medication, I have a better social attitude than you, so what's the difference?

@Abhijeet Sarkar

Did you know that this was an old video?

 

[takeitwithyou]

If that helps you defend what you wrote, feel free to make comments like that. Even with medication, I have a better social attitude than you, so what's the difference?

@Abhijeet Sarkar

Did you know that this was an old video?

He has said himself he is Madarsa educated. You must remember to look at his statements and positions from that lens.

I did study in a Madrassah, thats why i know what they are on about. .

 

[Joe Shearer]

He has said himself he is Madarsa educated. You must remember to look at his statements and positions from that lens.

I know that. And I commented on it on my immediate previous post addressed to him, which is why he reacted as if stung.

What is @Abhijeet Sarkar up to? Posting an old video generated 8 pages of animosity.

 

[Safriz]

If that helps you defend what you wrote, feel free to make comments like that. Even with medication, I have a better social attitude than you, so what's the difference?

@Abhijeet Sarkar

Did you know that this was an old video?

No you dont make much sense. thats why my comment. Anyway carry on.