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Unbelievable Marksmanship by a Pakistan Tank Gunner

NOT a VS thread guys
stop spoiling every thread with your lulli size contest

There is already a separate thread on that issue

Major proportion of Arjun tanks in service not operational
but this is not Arjun tank thread is it?

the tank will only get better. I have seen a video of its development and the comments from Germans who are amazed why its not inducted yet. they had praise for that tank which is made specifically made with Pakistan in mind
there is nothing to mock about this tank

Brilliant shot.
this shot is an answer to the propaganda by Hamid Mir Jafar who claims that Pakistan army is bombing relentlessly without any care and causing collateral damage.
this is the sniper shot for a tank in my opinion
 
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Our Tank is better than one designed by your friend China. They themselves say it.

Chinese military website Mil.news.sina.com.cn recently published ranking 10 world leading tanks.

10. Type-99 (China)

China's military named as the "King of Asia", Type 99 tank combined Specification features of T-72 tank from Russia, Abrams from the U.S., Leopard from Germany and the Merkava from Israel. However, this tank has revealed many restrictions that it is too heavy and expensive price (currently only about 200 were produced).



Type 99 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

9. Arjun (India)



The Arjun is a third generation main battle tank developed by India's Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), for the Indian Army. The tank is named for Arjun, a character in the Indian epic, Mahabharata.

The Arjun features a 120 mm main rifled gun with indigenously developed APFSDS ammunition, one 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun, and a 12.7 mm machine gun. It is powered by a single MTU multi-fuel diesel engine rated at 1,400 hp, and can achieve a maximum speed of 70 km/h (43 mph) and a cross-country speed of 40 km/h (25 mph). It has a four-man crew: commander, gunner, loader and driver. Automatic fire detection and suppression, and NBC protection systems are included. All-round anti-tank warhead protection by the newly developed Kanchan armour is claimed to be much higher than available in comparable third generation tanks.

In March 2010, the Arjun was pitted against the T-90 in comparative trials and performed well. Subsequently delays and other problems in its development from the 1990s to the 2000s prompted the Indian Army to order vast numbers of T-90S tanks from Russia to meet requirements that the Arjun had been expected to fulfill.

Army placed an order for an additional 124 Arjun Mk-I tanks on 17 May 2010 and 124 Arjun Mk-II Tanks on 9 August 2010.

The Arjun entered service with the Indian Army in 2004. The tanks were first inducted into the 43rd Armoured Regiment, Indian Army Armoured Corps, which was later built up to regiment strength in 2009, while the latest induction has been into the 75th Armoured Regiment on 12 March 2011.
In todays world of missiles who cares about tanks :lol:
 
These tanks have been rated as better than T-90 by Indian Army after extensive tests.
No wonder they order 119-125 Arjun's and hundreds of T-90s.. And now another scandal about them being non operational ..:(

Heavier, more lethal Arjun tank poised for trials

Ajai Shukla | Avadi (Chennai)
November 24, 2011
Last Updated at 00:49 IST




Indigenously developed Mark-II gets critical acclaim from army, experts abroad.

A heavier, more protected Arjun tank, called the Arjun Mark II, is poised for army trials. Scheduled for January and June 2012, successful trials would be the green signal for building 124 Arjun Mark IIs at the Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi, outside Chennai. These will supplement the 124 Arjuns Mark I already in frontline service.

Preparing the new Arjun for trials is the Central Vehicle R&D Establishment (CVRDE), Avadi, which steered the Arjun through a difficult and delayed development process; to its emergence as India’s premier main battle tank (MBT).

In March 2010, after the Arjun outperformed the vaunted Russian T-90S in performance trials in Rajasthan, an impressed Indian Army accepted 124 Arjuns into service. But the army has made a follow-on order conditional upon 93 improvements to the Arjun, including 19 major modifications. The CVRDE is finalising these modifications.

Business Standard visited Avadi for the media’s first detailed briefing and inspection of the Arjun Mark II. The Arjun Mark II’s most remarkable feature is its extra weight, 3-4 tonnes more than the earlier 62-tonne Arjun.

For years the army criticised the Arjun as too heavy for India’s road and rail infrastructure; now it wants modifications that will make the Arjun heavier. Fitting Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) plates on the tank has boosted crew protection, but also increases the weight by one and a half tonnes. An equivalent increase comes from added mine ploughs, which churn up the ground ahead of the tank, uprooting explosive mines that would otherwise blow up the tank.

But the Arjun Project leaders, V Balamurugan and GK Kumaravel, are unfazed by the weight gain. During gruelling trials this summer, the Arjun has demonstrated a crucial modification in the transmission system that makes the 65-66 tonne Arjun Mark II more agile than the lighter, 62-tonne Arjun Mark I. “We ran the modified Arjun for 1,300 kilometres, gradually loading dead weight until it was 65.5 tonnes. We demonstrated that its performance, acceleration, torque, working temperature and fuel consumption were better than the Arjun Mark I,” claimed Balamurugan.

The trade-off, though, is in maximum speed. The Arjun Mark II does just 60 kmph, compared with the 70 kmph top speed of the Arjun Mark I.

CVRDE chief, Dr P Sivakumar, an award-winning transmission specialist, is jubilant. “Earlier the army was criticising my Arjun [for weighing too much]. But, after seeing its cross-country performance, even compared with a lighter 40-tonne tank like the T-90, they realise that the Arjun moves like a Ferrari. Even at 65-66 tonnes, it will beat any MBT in the desert,” he promises.

That is endorsed by Israel Military Industries (IMI), which did a “third-party evaluation” of the Arjun. Israeli experts opine that the Arjun would outrun any competition.

Another crucial improvement in the Mark II is the tank commander’s thermal imaging (TI) night sight, which replaces the day-only sight of the earlier Arjun. Now the Arjun can operate at night in “hunter-killer” mode — the commander as hunter; and the gunner as killer. The commander scans the battlefield through his new TI sight; targets that he spots are electronically allocated to the gunner to destroy, while he returns to hunting for more targets.

The Mark II also equips the driver with a new night vision device based on “un-cooled thermal imaging”, allowing him to clearly see 300-500 metres, even on a pitch-dark night. The man who oversees the Arjun project, DRDO’s Chief Controller for Armament and Combat Engineering (CC-ACE), S Sundaresh, says: “Four major modifications — the mobility performance at 65.5 tonnes; the commander’s night sight; the driver’s night vision device, and ammunition containerisation — were validated this summer.”

Coming up for trials in January is an important new capability: missile firing through the Arjun Mark II’s main gun. Israeli LAHAT missiles were proof-fired from the Arjun in 2004, but the sighting and control systems are now being integrated into the gunner’s sight by its vendors, OIP Sensor Systems (Belgium) and SAGEM (France).

Just one crucial system will remain to be integrated after next year’s trials: a “laser warning counter measure system.” This senses the laser beam that incoming missiles ride, giving just 10-15 seconds of reaction time. Within milliseconds, the system automatically launches smoke grenades, creating a smokescreen around one’s own tank that leaves the missile operator without a target to aim at
It's 2015 .. How many in service ? Lemme guess 125? How many MKII's in service ? "0",shunay,zilch,nill.. "Jero".

NEW DELHI: The Army is facing major technical issues with its 'indigenous' Arjun tanks, as a significant proportion of its fleet has become inoperable in recent months and are non-serviceable due to continued maintenance problems.
The defence minister has been apprised of the issue. Sources said that the Army's opinion is that while a large number of tanks are not operational due to technical defects, the fleet as such is not combat worthy due to reliability issues. "A number of tanks are not operational currently as transfer of technology (ToT) of several imported systems fitted onboard has not been done," an Army official said.
The Army is surprised that quality issues have started arising even though the entire fleet came into service as recently as 2013 when deliveries ended. Given that the tanks are highly dependent on foreign equipment — 60% of the tank is imported — the failure to get maintenance technology means that the systems have to be sent abroad for even minor repairs.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar is aware of the problems. The Army has identified 96 problems, including 18 major ones. The minister has been keen to increase the efficiency of existing platforms available with the military given that there is a paucity of funds to procure new systems

arjun-tank_bccl.jpg

Ehmm..
 
In todays world of missiles who cares about tanks :lol:

21st Century Warfare Renders the Tank Obsolete
RIP: Army Tanks, 1915-2014

Monday, February 10th, 2014


See if you can identify the following pattern and guess what comes next...

A fist, a rock, a club, a spear, an arrow, a sword, a cannon, a musket, a machine gun, a tank, a _____.

Each of these is a weapon whose widespread use made the previous one obsolete. So what comes next? What is the next weapon that will make the tank obsolete?

"The manufacturing of tanks — powerful but cumbersome — is no longer essential," the Washington Post recently wrote, citing U.S. military commentary. "In modern warfare, forces must deploy quickly and project power over great distances. Submarines and long-range bombers are needed. Weapons such as drones — nimble and tactical — are the future. Tanks are something of a relic."

The Tank's Demise

While the tank, the airplane, and the submarine all emerged at about the same time and were first used together in warfare in World War I, the tank quickly rose to become the dominant unit on the battlefield.

Although air superiority grew in importance throughout the 20th century in clearing the way for advancing troops, the tank remained utterly essential to storming and securing enemy targets and installations. In the Six-Day War in 1967, for example, more than 2,500 tanks were used between Arab and Israeli forces.

That dominance is no longer. Rapid advances in miniaturization and computer automation have produced the weapon of the future: the aerial drone.

It can be equipped with fearsome firepower while costing only $3 or $4 million — half as much as an $8 million Abrams tank, a quarter as much as a $15 million Blackhawk helicopter, and a sixth as much as a $25 million F18 fighter.

While ground forces will still be required to capture and secure buildings and territory, that task can now be performed by a much cheaper infantry platoon without any tanks at all — just a few inexpensive and well-equipped drones circling overhead.

Already in the U.S., two major defense contractors have been scaling back the production and refurbishing of tanks and armored personnel carriers. The York, Pennsylvania plant of British contractor BAE Systems (LSE: BA), which had been building and refurbishing the Bradley Fighting Vehicle for the U.S. Army, has already dismissed half of its workforce, with more layoffs last December.

"The reality of it is we've already started shutting down," manufacturing executive Alice Conner informed theWashington Post. "If BAE does not get any new Bradley funding — or win new work from commercial firms or foreign governments, it will close the line in 2015."

In another defense spending casualty, General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), which builds M1 Abrams tanks — the most powerful tank in the world — is scaling down its Lima, Ohio factory. Over the past decade, the contractor's workforce has been slashed from over 1,200 to some 500 today.

The Army simply doesn't see the need for more tanks. Speaking before Congress in 2012, General Raymond Odierno, the Army's chief of staff, put it as simply as possible: "We don't need the tanks. Our tank fleet is two and a half years old on average now. We're in good shape, and these are additional tanks that we don't need."

In response, defense contractors and their over 500 suppliers have lobbied hard, convincing Congress to write them huge checks worth $140 million for Bradley vehicles and $74 million for Abrams tanks for fiscal year 2014.

The fear isn't just over the loss of jobs, but over losing the technology and manufacturing skills as well.

But experts like Angela Canterbury of the Project on Government Oversight criticized the move. "It is really making us less safe when we're throwing money that's hard to come by at programs that don't meet what should be our current national security strategy."

Just what should the national security strategy focus on? Many believe it's the weapon of the future... the drone.

No wonder they order 119-125 Arjun's and hundreds of T-90s.. And now another scandal about them being non operational ..:(


It's 2015 .. How many in service ? Lemme guess 125? How many MKII's in service ? "0",shunay,zilch,nill.. "Jero".



Ehmm..
They are improving it further. We will sure have these quality tanks in numbers in few years.
 
21st Century Warfare Renders the Tank Obsolete
RIP: Army Tanks, 1915-2014

Monday, February 10th, 2014


See if you can identify the following pattern and guess what comes next...

A fist, a rock, a club, a spear, an arrow, a sword, a cannon, a musket, a machine gun, a tank, a _____.

Each of these is a weapon whose widespread use made the previous one obsolete. So what comes next? What is the next weapon that will make the tank obsolete?

"The manufacturing of tanks — powerful but cumbersome — is no longer essential," the Washington Post recently wrote, citing U.S. military commentary. "In modern warfare, forces must deploy quickly and project power over great distances. Submarines and long-range bombers are needed. Weapons such as drones — nimble and tactical — are the future. Tanks are something of a relic."

The Tank's Demise

While the tank, the airplane, and the submarine all emerged at about the same time and were first used together in warfare in World War I, the tank quickly rose to become the dominant unit on the battlefield.

Although air superiority grew in importance throughout the 20th century in clearing the way for advancing troops, the tank remained utterly essential to storming and securing enemy targets and installations. In the Six-Day War in 1967, for example, more than 2,500 tanks were used between Arab and Israeli forces.

That dominance is no longer. Rapid advances in miniaturization and computer automation have produced the weapon of the future: the aerial drone.

It can be equipped with fearsome firepower while costing only $3 or $4 million — half as much as an $8 million Abrams tank, a quarter as much as a $15 million Blackhawk helicopter, and a sixth as much as a $25 million F18 fighter.

While ground forces will still be required to capture and secure buildings and territory, that task can now be performed by a much cheaper infantry platoon without any tanks at all — just a few inexpensive and well-equipped drones circling overhead.

Already in the U.S., two major defense contractors have been scaling back the production and refurbishing of tanks and armored personnel carriers. The York, Pennsylvania plant of British contractor BAE Systems (LSE: BA), which had been building and refurbishing the Bradley Fighting Vehicle for the U.S. Army, has already dismissed half of its workforce, with more layoffs last December.

"The reality of it is we've already started shutting down," manufacturing executive Alice Conner informed theWashington Post. "If BAE does not get any new Bradley funding — or win new work from commercial firms or foreign governments, it will close the line in 2015."

In another defense spending casualty, General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), which builds M1 Abrams tanks — the most powerful tank in the world — is scaling down its Lima, Ohio factory. Over the past decade, the contractor's workforce has been slashed from over 1,200 to some 500 today.

The Army simply doesn't see the need for more tanks. Speaking before Congress in 2012, General Raymond Odierno, the Army's chief of staff, put it as simply as possible: "We don't need the tanks. Our tank fleet is two and a half years old on average now. We're in good shape, and these are additional tanks that we don't need."

In response, defense contractors and their over 500 suppliers have lobbied hard, convincing Congress to write them huge checks worth $140 million for Bradley vehicles and $74 million for Abrams tanks for fiscal year 2014.

The fear isn't just over the loss of jobs, but over losing the technology and manufacturing skills as well.

But experts like Angela Canterbury of the Project on Government Oversight criticized the move. "It is really making us less safe when we're throwing money that's hard to come by at programs that don't meet what should be our current national security strategy."

Just what should the national security strategy focus on? Many believe it's the weapon of the future... the drone.


They are improving it further. We will sure have these quality tanks in numbers in few years.

As you pointed out tanks have become obsolete than why spend so many years n money on them .. Why not start producing parts under ToT (to solve existing spare issues) n than waste money n years later?
 
NEW DELHI: The Army is facing major technical issues with its 'indigenous' Arjun tanks, as a significant proportion of its fleet has become inoperable in recent months and are non-serviceable due to continued maintenance problems.
The defence minister has been apprised of the issue. Sources said that the Army's opinion is that while a large number of tanks are not operational due to technical defects, the fleet as such is not combat worthy due to reliability issues. "A number of tanks are not operational currently as transfer of technology (ToT) of several imported systems fitted onboard has not been done," an Army official said.
The Army is surprised that quality issues have started arising even though the entire fleet came into service as recently as 2013 when deliveries ended. Given that the tanks are highly dependent on foreign equipment — 60% of the tank is imported — the failure to get maintenance technology means that the systems have to be sent abroad for even minor repairs.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar is aware of the problems. The Army has identified 96 problems, including 18 major ones. The minister has been keen to increase the efficiency of existing platforms available with the military given that there is a paucity of funds to procure new systems

arjun-tank_bccl.jpg
It was not needed. I know you were replying to the post before yours but is it a must to feed the trolls?
 
I enjoyed more reading about arjun tanks failures.

Btw did the distance really look 5000m. Just curious. I cud be wrong.
 
It's pretty difficult to hit a target bang on top of a hill especially with weapons that are designed for flat trajectory engagement. Even with high trajectory weapons like artillery guns it isn't easy to hit such targets as bracketing for corrections is difficult.

So I give this tank gunner...
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Technically, this is a type-59M2 with a 100mm locally built gun. The tank futures decent optics and FCS system along with high quality ammo and good stabilization. However, the gun can still hit as far as 2500meter as mentioned in the video and is not exactly state of the art. The reason being, hitting a target 5000m away with this piece of machinery takes remarkable skill. Even an M1A2 gunner would be proud of that.
 

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