UN urges Kashmir investigations

[Flintlock]

Rubbish - You want to us to believe that all international press is lying about hindu militants killing innocent christian men, women & children???

What a shameful comment. Christians are being murdered & nuns are being raped.

You are either unable or unwilling to understand the situation in Orissa.

Most of the violence is in remote tribal villages were there may not even be a police station, let alone enough boots on the ground to enforce a curfew.

The curfew is only imposed in reasonably sized towns where there is a decent amount of police presence.

 

[Flintlock]

So what? It's a warning. A guideline. Not something that has actually happend. UN never said that protesters were armed.

So where are we now???

They wouldn't say so if the protesters weren't behaving violently.

In any case, there are enough news articles on the web describing the violent mobs, but I am not going to humour you any more and go around hunting for them.

Feel free to dig them up, or not dig them up and believe whatever suits your purpose.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well, as it turns out, they were not peaceful. The protesters were being incited to attack police stations, paramilitary bunkers, army camps and ransack government property.

In some cases, troops had to open fire because they were not equipped or expected to handle frenzied mobs running over their posts and camps.

This is not peaceful behavior, and would warrant a curfew in any part of India.

FYI - Shoot-at-sight orders were issued in Orissa also.

My impression was that the violence started after Gilani and other protesters were shot.

 

[dr.umer]

Most of the violence is in remote tribal villages were there may not even be a police station, let alone enough boots on the ground to enforce a curfew.

The curfew is only imposed in reasonably sized towns where there is a decent amount of police presence.

So, there is enough force to handle peaceful protests in Kashmir with a bullet where demonstrators have so far remained peaceful to a large extent.

But there is no force to impose a curfew in Orissa where hindu militants are killing innocent christains.

Poor excuse i think.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There we are.

That is what is recommended, not what happened - if the use of force by Indian SF"s was so clear cut, there would not be any need for an investigation.

 

[Flintlock]

My impression was that the violence started after Gilani and other protesters were shot.

AFAIK, the mob-violence began in earnest when the rumours about highway to kashmir being blocked by protesters in Jammu began to spread.

But kashmiri protesters are generally violent, they hurl stones, bricks and burn/break everything in sight.

 

[Flintlock]

That is what is recommended, not what happened - if the use of force by Indian SF"s was so clear cut, there would not be any need for an investigation.

You are simply twisting things. Things are not clear because of the confusion in the valley.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

AFAIK, the mob-violence began in earnest when the rumours about highway to kashmir being blocked by protesters in Jammu began to spread.

But kashmiri protesters are generally violent, they hurl stones, bricks and burn/break everything in sight.

What do you expect after occupying a people against their will.

But in any case, 'generally' is not good enough - there needs to be strong evidence of some pretty serious violence and anarchy, not just protests (from neutral sources), before the protesters were shot, to justify 'shoot at sight' or 'curfews'.

 

[Flintlock]

What do you expect after occupying a people against their will.

But in any case, 'generally' is not good enough - there needs to be strong evidence of some pretty serious violence and anarchy, not just protests (from neutral sources), before the protesters were shot, to justify 'shoot at sight' or 'curfews'.

then I suggest that you read the reports from "neutral" sources. I am not willing to oblige.

 

[dabong1]

Its all so recogniseable, I spoke to many local people in every village I passed by...every family I met had atleast one person killed ot tortured by either the militants or IA, some were witness to fake encounters with 'evidance' planted in their houses by IA.:

The amount of innocent people killed by the "militants" is no where near the amount the indian army has killed......putting the two together as if there are a equal scale is unfair.

I certainly hope UN sends a HR team to investigate the killings and do something about it.

Pakistan needs to start shouting at the top the voices in the UN and other international forums.

 

[dr.umer]

They wouldn't say so if the protesters weren't behaving violently.

Not necessarily. They would have mentioned violence if they thought it was significant enough.

Also in demonstrations of even small scale violence happens and these were huge demonstrations. I am not saying that nothing would have happened. If there were 0.2 or 0.3 million people on the roads, what do you expect? But it was not a violence of significant scale where Forces were supposed to shoot people who were not having any arms.

In Orissa where hindu militants are armed, there is no Police Force.

It only indicates that anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan feeling provoked forces to shoot people.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

then I suggest that you read the reports from "neutral" sources. I am not willing to oblige.

You really don't feel like backing many of your assertions nowadays do you?

Nothing about polls indicating Pakistanis do not reject Taliban and QA ideology - no sources to contest the poll suggesting 30 percent of Indians agree with Independence for Kashmir was flawed, and now nothing about validating the assertion that violence on a large scale started before Gilani was shot.

 

[Flintlock]

Not necessarily. They would have mentioned violence if they thought it was significant enough.

Also in demonstrations of even small scale violence happens and these were huge demonstrations. I am not saying that nothing would have happened. If there were 0.2 or 0.3 million people on the roads, what do you expect? But it was not a violence of significant scale where Forces were supposed to shoot people who were not having any arms.

In Orissa where hindu militants are armed, there is no Police Force.

It only indicates that anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan feeling provoked forces to shoot people.

I won't even bother replying to that...

Say hello to my ignore list.

 

[dr.umer]

I won't even bother replying to that...

Say hello to my ignore list.

Like i care. Hello

 

[Flintlock]

You really don't feel like backing many of your assertions nowadays do you?

Nothing about polls indicating Pakistanis do not reject Taliban and QA ideology - no sources to contest the poll suggesting 30 percent of Indians agree with Independence for Kashmir was flawed, and now nothing about validating the assertion that violence on a large scale started before Gilani was shot.

No, I don't. I don't feel compelled to prove myself right, since I realized sometime back that its impossible to do so over the internet. So why bother?