Ultra Far Right Nationalism on the rise in Europe and Russia

[DejanSRB]

It is better to die, but honestly, than live like a rat. In addition, the Germans would not have given to be neutral Yugoslavia - because of geographical position.
Russian lost in the WW2 17 millions and lost more people and Great Impire in the WW1 / Revolution / Civil War. But they were fighting for a right cause, and I do not regret the deads - they died as heroes and are now in heavens.
If the Russian were the aggressors, Stalin would simply dismissed Tito and put an obedient man - as used to do the Westerners.

It is better to die,but if you die for Serbian interests,not for some anti Serbian project called Yugoslavia.
Stalin couldnt dismissed Tito in the '48 becouse at that time Yugoslavia turned policy to pro Western.Anti Russian segment in Serbia have roots in that split,becouse our communist stand on Tito side,few who opposite was killed on "Goli Otok" camp.

 

[vostok]

It is better to die,but if you die for Serbian interests,not for some anti Serbian project called Yugoslavia.
Stalin couldnt dismissed Tito in the '48 becouse at that time Yugoslavia turned policy to pro Western.Anti Russian segment in Serbia have roots in that split,becouse our communist stand on Tito side,few who opposite was killed on "Goli Otok" camp.

Do you think Stalin could not replace Tito and the government using force? Could. But Stalin - not Western leader and did not bomb Belgrade because he does not like who is rule.
The war against Hitler - a war until full destruction, you could not just stand by and watch. You and we were fighting not just for Serbian / Soviet interests, but for the right of all people on the Earth to live, work, happiness.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Hmm,i don't know if there really are members of pro right wing groups in here. @Desert Fox is a sympathiser but from what i know he is pakistani.
From what i know that is their policy,"if it ain't white,it ain't right" and that's why they'll never have the majority.
Most people,like me,would want a stop of outside european immigration,expulsion of illegal immigrants,no welfare for immigrants (you've came to work not be supported) a tough stance against who don't integrate but for other immigrants,first gen,second and so on who are citizens i don't wan't anything to happen to them.They're citizens just like us,as long as they work nobody should dare to ask for their removal just because they're not white.Even if they don't work,cut welfare,just as you will do to a white european to stop encouraging people to live on the state.

I agree. If someone doesn't want to learn the language and culture of the country and doesn't work but just does benefit fraud they should simply be sent back. Problem is some immigrants who are trying to impose their way. I think that is what scares many Europeans. I have seen personal examples of many immigrant groups successfully integrating in the British society. I can't say the same for my fellow British Pakistanis though.

 

[flamer84]

Do you think Stalin could not replace Tito and the government using force? Could. But Stalin - not Western leader and did not bomb Belgrade because he does not like who is rule.
The war against Hitler - a war until full destruction, you could not just stand by and watch. You and we were fighting not just for Serbian / Soviet interests, but for the right of all people on the Earth to live, work, happiness.

You're one special looney.

I must break you - YouTube

 

[DejanSRB]

Do you think Stalin could not replace Tito and the government using force? Could. But Stalin - not Western leader and did not bomb Belgrade because he does not like who is rule.
The war against Hitler - a war until full destruction, you could not just stand by and watch. You and we were fighting not just for Serbian / Soviet interests, but for the right of all people on the Earth to live, work, happiness.

Serbian interests was Serbian state made by Serbian victors,not some s*it with killers of Serbs.We win at war but lose in peace.

 

[Sun Piwa]

You do realise that if you don't like the jews to much,and i'm not their biggest fan,there are better ways to deal with them then gassing 6 millions from the toddlers to the elderly,don't you?Now,if you proceed in doing that all your best intentions go down the toilette and you'll be branded for what you are...a mass murderer.

I didn't said he was a nice guy,but he did fight against a dirty ideology which threathened the civilised way of life:bolshevism.Anyway ,bolshevism made much more victims then national socialism but it doesn't have the same bad reputation and that's a historical mistake which should be corrected,communism should be outlawed and its followers thrown in prison.

It's OK to kill 20 millions russians but it's a crime to kill 6 millions (not certified) JEWS

I remind you that it was the russians stupid enough to convert to judaism who were killed

I don't say that it was a trap made by the real JEWS from the tribes of Israhell so they can take all the glory later and become untouchables.

The real JEWS (not converted europeans) practically all fled before the so called shoah

 

[Desert Fox]

1) From the fact that France has won all of Europe, by your logic - it 's just the was duty to conquer Russia ? Why not live in peace, how many times offered Russian Tsar ?
Because the Europeans - the aggressors . They could not live peacefully. Although since then , as Russia defeated Napoleon and Hitler , the French and the Germans were far less bellicose . The snake has lost the sting .
2 ) Russian Empire - was an internationally recognized state . The Allies had no right to recognize the breakaway provinces as independent states .
Poland had attacked first in the South- West of Russia trying to restore its borders ages 17-18 , far beyond the boundaries of settlement of the Polish people .
3) There are no plans of aggression , Stalin had not. All this came up later Goebbels and his students from the CIA and the teachers of the Mi -6 to justify aggression against Russia .
Baltic states, Moldova - illegally alienated land from the Russian Empire . Stalin had all the rights to them . They were not annexed - they have been incorporated in all international laws.
The Red Army defeated the aggressor and contributed to the rise power in the liberated countries of the Left parties . And only then , these parties themselves asked the Red Army to stay.
The Cold War began West, not the Soviet Union. If this is not done - the Red Army would have gone home.

The Baltic States did not want to join the Soviet Union. Stalin forcefully annexed them through military aggression.

When the German troops entered the Baltic states during the summer of 1941, they were welcomed as liberators by cheering crowds of people. Everyone rejoiced over the retreat of the bolshevik Red Army.

The Baltic States and Poland were internationally recognized countries.

Nope,mate,it was a England who support coap against our pro German forces.In 25 March 1941,our knez Pavle accept Hitler offer to join Axis forces,two days after British agents pay to our anti German leaders who have great speech ability to organize a coap against Hitler.

Knez Pavle was only one who received such a welcome in Berlin.No other head of the state did no attend the parade in his honor organized in Berlin.

Look at this

Knez Pavle u zvanicnoj poseti Berlinu 1. juna 1939. - YouTube

Unfortunately Hitler was furious,and he say "Serbs betray me,they will pay the price"
Result-OPERATION RETRIBUTION Operation Retribution (1941) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then Croatian chauvinst lapdogs come and start to killing Serbs.

Excuse my mistake, you are right, it was the British who supported the coup against the pro-German gov.t, however Stalin made no attempt to hide his joy of the coup nor his displeasure when the Germans invaded Yugoslavia. This further strengthened Hitler's suspicion that the British and Soviets were conspiring against him as well as his view that the Soviets were gearing up to invade Europe.

 

[vostok]

The Baltic States did not want to join the Soviet Union. Stalin forcefully annexed them through military aggression.

When the German troops entered the Baltic states during the summer of 1941, they were welcomed as liberators by cheering crowds of people. Everyone rejoiced over the retreat of the bolshevik Red Army.

They had not been annexed. In the elections won of the Communist Party, then these parties asked Stalin to take them to the Soviet Union. Legally, it's the same thing that happened now in Eastern Europe - a puppet pro-Western parties asked the EU and NATO to take them into EU and NATO, and then American military arrives.

 

[flamer84]

They had not been annexed. In the elections won of the Communist Party, then these parties asked Stalin to take them to the Soviet Union. Legally, it's the same thing that happened now in Eastern Europe - a puppet pro-Western parties asked the EU and NATO to take them into EU and NATO, and then American military arrives.

Legally...no,you pathetic clown.In the elections held in Romania in 1946,despite the presence of the soviet army and communist terror squads supervising the ballot boxes,the communist lost.When they did the counting and saw they have under 50% despite massive fraud,the communist just shut the electoral process down and proclaimed a 90 % percent victory,arrested the oposition and that was that.It happened the same everywhere in Eastern Europe.It has nothing to do with today's election when people actually have the men they vote for in power.Got it now,you illiterate cimpanzee ?

 

[DejanSRB]

Excuse my mistake, you are right, it was the British who supported the coup against the pro-German gov.t, however Stalin made no attempt to hide his joy of the coup nor his displeasure when the Germans invaded Yugoslavia. This further strengthened Hitler's suspicion that the British and Soviets were conspiring against him as well as his view that the Soviets were gearing up to invade Europe.

No problem,mate,you have great history knowledge.I hope we can help each other on other history questions from South America to Australia,cheers!

 

[Desert Fox]

@vostok

This is for you, its in Russian:

 

[vostok]

@vostok

This is for you, its in Russian:

every nation has the traitors.

 

[Pakistani E]

@ Desert Fox, did you get the honoury Aryan badge from hitler himself?

 

[SenLin]

French polls show surge in support for far-right National Front

Quarter of French voters polled said they would vote for party at 2014 European elections, with 19% for Socialists


One in four French voters are ready to support the far-right National Front in next year's European elections, a new poll shows.

A survey of voting intentions for the May 2014 election found the party could win more support than the government and the main opposition party.

It is the first time in French political history that the Front National, led by Marine Le Pen, has headed a poll for a national vote.

The pollsters Ifop found 24% of the 1,893 French voters questioned said they intended to vote for the anti-European Union, anti-immigration National Front, while 22% said they would vote for the centre-right Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) and 19% for the governing Socialist party.

"For the first time in a poll on voting intentions in an election of a national character, the [National Front] is clearly ahead," Ifop said.

The boost for the party comes just 10 days before the second round of a byelection in the canton of Brignoles, in the Var, southern France, in which the National Front candidate gained 40.4 % of votes in the first round.

It also came as Alain Delon, one of France's most celebrated actors, expressed his sympathy for the National Front and said he "approved" of the party's rise. Delon had previously voiced his "friendship" and "liking" for the party's founder, Jean-Marie Le Pen.

In an interview with the Swiss paper Le Matin, Delon, said: "For years Le Pen father and daughter have fought, but they've fought somewhat alone. Now, for the first time, they're not alone. The French are with them."

The Nouvel Observateur magazine that published the poll on Thursday said the results were not a prediction, but the figures show a remarkable rise in support for the National Front. In the last European elections, in 2009, the far-right party obtained 6.34% of votes.

"The French are showing a wish to take their destiny into their hands and give back their country its sovereignty," said the Front National secretary general, Steeve Briois. He promised an "unprecedented earthquake" in the European elections.

In the Nouvel Obs, the French president, François Hollande, explained that the rise of nationalism and popularism in Europe was linked to "the fear of decline", "relations with Islam", and an ageing population. He said nationalism came from a "lack of perspective and collective dynamic".

Hollande, whose popularity continues to decline, admitted on Wednesday that there was a risk that the European parliament would have a "large share of anti-Europeans" after next May's election. "It would be a regression and a threat of paralysis," he said.

Marine Le Pen, a practising lawyer, has threatened to sue anyone that calls the National Front an "extreme right" party, a threat that did not seem to worry Hollande. "Faced with extremists, the best thing is to hold one's head high," he said.


French polls show surge in support for far-right National Front | World news | theguardian.com

 

[SenLin]

Moscow police arrest 1,200 migrants after riots

'Pre-emptive raid' after ultranationalists trash vegetable warehouse in unrest sparked by murder of ethnic Russian


Moscow police rounded up and arrested more than a thousand migrant workers at a vegetable warehouse on Monday morning, hours after hundreds of ultranationalists clashed with riot police. The rioters had overturned cars and raided a shopping centre used by migrants after the murder of an ethnic Russian was blamed on a man from the Caucasus.

Police arrested more than 1,200 people in what was called a "pre-emptive raid" on the warehouse where the rioters believed the killer worked, Russian news agencies reported.

Sunday's rioting in the southern Biryulyovo district of Moscow, which escalated after hundreds gathered where Egor Shcherbakov, 25, was murdered last week, marked the capital's worst nationalist unrest in three years.

Nationalist mobs chanted "Russia for Russians"and images from the scene show a car flipped on to its roof scattered in watermelons.

About 380 of the ultranationalists were arrested on Sunday night, although most were released. Seventy face administrative proceedings, while two are likely to face criminal charges. The police have opened a criminal investigation into "hooliganism".

Nationalists in masks hurled bottles at police, dressed in helmets and urban camouflage, who fought back with batons. Six riot police officers were wounded; two were taken to hospital.

The violence prompted the interior ministry on Sunday to activate Vulkan-5, an emergency security regime that deploys the entire Moscow police force and that was last activated after the Moscow metro bombings killed 40 people three years ago.

Late on Sunday night the police had the situation under control, although migrant communities remained tense. The head of the Federation of Migrants on Sunday warned migrants to remain at home for fear of random attacks across the city.

Police have said Shcherbakov was stabbed in front of his girlfriend on 10 October. The following day a photograph of an alleged suspect, who appeared to be from the Caucasus region, was circulating on nationalist websites.

In December 2010, violence erupted in the capital when thousands of ultranationalists massed outside the walls of the Kremlin after an ethnic Russian football fan was killed by a man from the North Caucasus.

Animosity towards immigration has grown rapidly in the last 10 years as the inflow of migrants from central Asia and Russia's north Caucasus region has boomed.


Moscow police arrest 1,200 migrants after riots | World news | theguardian.com