Ultra Far Right Nationalism on the rise in Europe and Russia

[Desert Fox]

Maybe this should wake them up a little.

Many Indians like to see themselves as equal competitors to China, and are encouraged in their endeavor by gushing Western editorials and Tom Friedman drones who praise their few islands of programming prowess – in reality, much of which is actually pretty low-level stuff – and widespread knowledge of the English language (which makes India a good destination for call centers but not much else), while ignoring the various aspects of Indian life – the caste system, malnutrition, stupendously bad schools – that are holding them back. The low quality of Indians human capital reveals the “demographic dividend” that India is supposed to enjoy in the coming decades as the wild fantasies of what Sailer rightly calls ”Davos Man craziness at its craziest.” A large cohort of young people is worse than useless when most of them are functionally illiterate and innumerate; instead of fostering well-compensated jobs that drive productivity forwards, they will form reservoirs of poverty and potential instability.

I see a similar trend here in the U.S. of A. Its mostly the liberal and warmongering media that actually portrays a false image in order to support one side against another rather than highlight the actual shortcomings of that side in order to better help those people.

Example of this is the Trayvon Martin case, in which the Liberal and warmongering media is convincing non-Whites that somehow their biggest problem is a White man with a gun rather than the gangs roaming our streets, the wall street banksters, or the desperate economic situation this nation faces, along with the growing economy and the useless wars being fought for a certain country in the ME.

@Desert Fox

How are you bro? Its been a long time since I last visited Defence.pk, but I am back now.

I'm good Brother, how are you?

 

[-SINAN-]

If the Turks were White, then I don't know... They are culturally not Western, and that matters to me as well.

Again, I have no problems with Turks, so don't take it as a personal insult.

I have the greatest admiration and respect for the Japanese people, yet I wouldn't want them living in my country, or joining the EU.

Nope Man, telling a Turk that"you are not Westener, is not insult at all". We don't belong to west and east, we are unique. I want my country to reach the same levels as GDP/capita, democracy, freedom of speech. etc.. I don't want my culture being changed or want their laws, or aligning with them on foreign policy.

 

[WhiteMansBurden]

Well,i'm not one of those guys,with the risk of beeing called a racist i will speak my mind and i don't buy this "unhappy youth" the media is throwing whenever we see riots in Europe.Btw,tonight some "unhappy youths" are "protesting"(full riots) in Paris because the police tried to enforce the "no veil" law.Yes,unchecked immigration is murder and will result in ethnic conflict.

Just because the communists were bad that doesn't make the nazis any better,they tried to murder the poles,the slavs in general and they were white.Also,a "final solution" is NOT a solution.

I don't believe in a final solution, nor am I a neo-NAZI. I guess those two things we can agree on. Hitler pretty much thought of Slavs as a different species, something which has been shown to be clearly false by modern genetic sequencing techniques.

I see a similar trend here in the U.S. of A. Its mostly the liberal and warmongering media that actually portrays a false image in order to support one side against another rather than highlight the actual shortcomings of that side in order to better help those people.

Example of this is the Trayvon Martin case, in which the Liberal and warmongering media is convincing non-Whites that somehow their biggest problem is a White man with a gun rather than the gangs roaming our streets, the wall street banksters, or the desperate economic situation this nation faces, along with the growing economy and the useless wars being fought for a certain country in the ME.



I'm good Brother, how are you?

Indeed, and this "White man" is 1/2 Amerindian!

 

[WhiteMansBurden]

Nope Man, telling a Turk that"you are not Westener, is not insult at all". We don't belong to west and east, we are unique. I want my country to reach the same levels as GDP/capita, democracy, freedom of speech. etc.. I don't want my culture being changed or want their laws, or aligning with them on foreign policy.

No, it's not an insult, if you were being sarcastic. The Japanese will never be Western if they retain Japanese culture, yet I admire them very much.

It's not meant to be an insult, just my opinion. Turks have their own culture as you said. I think it's a mix of both Middle-Easter and European, with a tinge of Central Asian sprinkled in.

 

[Jungibaaz]

With the economic decline of Europe, more of this is to be expected.
No matter which case you study, increasing economic problems in country create social unrest.

Now here, people look for someone to blame, common man faces unemployment.
All it takes is that one man to say 'it's those immigrants taking our jobs', and there you have it.

 

[flamer84]

With the economic decline of Europe, more of this is to be expected.
No matter which case you study, increasing economic problems in country create social unrest.

Now here, people look for someone to blame, common man faces unemployment.
All it takes is that one man to say 'it's those immigrants taking our jobs', and there you have it.

Some of them really don't help their cause either with the rioting,demands for cultural changes.Granted,they are not the majority but they'll always be in the spotlight.

 

[Hyperion]

Whenever Europe goes hungry/without a job, they become violent. What does this tell us?

 

[-SINAN-]

No, it's not an insult, if you were being sarcastic. The Japanese will never be Western if they retain Japanese culture, yet I admire them very much.

It's not meant to be an insult, just my opinion. Turks have their own culture as you said. I think it's a mix of both Middle-Easter and European, with a tinge of Central Asian sprinkled in.

Sir, i'm really not being sarcastic.

Westener as we call it "gavur", as it means non-muslim, mostly used against Europeans as a insult. Most of the Turk's are very nationalistic and Westeners have been seen as "weak and coward" for centuries.

 

[Desert Fox]

Well,i'm not one of those guys,with the risk of beeing called a racist i will speak my mind and i don't buy this "unhappy youth" the media is throwing whenever we see riots in Europe.Btw,tonight some "unhappy youths" are "protesting"(full riots) in Paris because the police tried to enforce the "no veil" law.Yes,unchecked immigration is murder and will result in ethnic conflict.

IMHO, if there will be a conflict between the two sides (immigrants and Nationalist), the immigrants have more manpower, at least in Western European countries where the native birth rate is almost non-existent.

Just because the communists were bad that doesn't make the nazis any better,they tried to murder the poles,the slavs in general and they were white.Also,a "final solution" is NOT a solution.

Well, my friend, here is the problem. Most of this stuff you have been made to believe in has been blown out of proportion or completely made up by the victorious Western Allies and their Soviet pals.


If by final solution, you mean the so called "systematic" "gassings" of Jews by the Germans and their cooperators then this story really has no basis. For which is why it is a closely guarded secret and anyone who questions it is immediately imprisoned in Europe.

Secondly, coming to Poland. The German-Polish conflict was instigated by Churchill and Roosevelt. This fact is confirmed by Polish ambassador to United States himself.

German-Polish dispute was over Danzig Corridor, which the two countries were close to solving the issue of. However, Churchill couldn't tolerate a prosperous and powerful Germany who's economic system posed a thread to the international finance.

And if i may suggest you look up the Katyn Forest Massacre, in which it was the Soviet NKVD, and not the Germans, who butchered between 15,000-20,000 Polish intellectuals, officers, land owners, aristocrats, and officers; the cream of the Polish people.

Poland was later given to the Soviets on a platter by Churchill and Roosevelt, the same Poland who's integrity they destroyed Germany over.

Coming to German views of the Slavs. Well, i would suggest you read Leon Degrelle's "Campaign in Russia: Waffen SS on the Eastern Front" to understand what lead to such views of the Soviet people.

And finally, it was not the Germans who were responsible for most of the Russian casualties during WW2, rather it was Stalin and his NKVD themselves who butchered their own people out of the fear that they would assist the initially successful Axis armies. This fact is confirmed by Russian Historian Tolstoy.

 

[flamer84]

Whenever Europe goes hungry/without a job, they become violent. What does this tell us?

That in our core we're violent savages? We like to think that we've evolved but it seems that only economic prosperity has kept us in check,remove the "panem et circens" from the equation and we might have problems on our hands yet again.I hope that time will proove me wrong.

 

[AUz]

[MENTION]AUz[/MENTION]

Quoting AUz from the Caliphate thread:



Elaborate what you mean by "there is no Western civilization, or Western culture"??

Secondly, please refrain from using derogatory remarks and name calling when addressing another member.

If you disagree then refute the argument in a civilized manner.

By resorting to name calling you are putting up a bad image of yourself and as well as the views you represent.

I said there is no "unified" Western Culture..well, probably I forgot to write the word but I had this discussion many times on this forum before...

There is no "Western Civilization" ... just as there is no "Islamic Civilization" ...There are Germans, French, Americans, Romanians etc..but they are NOT a part of one single 'civilization'.

If you are well-versed in history, then you would know that all these terms like "Civilization" , "Culture" arose around 18th-19th century (used mostly by French writers) in order to justify colonialism...

Early Muslim writers did not use terms like "Islamic Civilization" BUT it were Europeans who came with these terms..so that a clear distinction can be made between 'civilized' us vs 'uncivilized' them...

A girl living in America barely as anything in common with a girl living in Romania (may be color and religion are same, thats it)..How can they both be members of same 'civilization'?

In this regard, I and some Egyptian dude are a part of same 'civilization' since we are both brown and Muslim...but that is wrong.

Similarly, there is no one "Western Civilization" ... There is French Civilization, Anglo-Saxon may be, and so on...

PS. Whitemanburden is a troll and mostly say utterly ignorant things...

 

[Hyperion]

Well, this time I don't have any concerns.........we in the "rest" of the world are armed "to-the-teeth".... at-least you ain't gonna come our way...

That in our core we're violent savages? We like to think that we've evolved but it seems that only economic prosperity has kept us in check,remove the "panem et circens" from the equation and we might have problems on our hands yet again.I hope that time will proove me wrong.

 

[Desert Fox]

With the economic decline of Europe, more of this is to be expected.
No matter which case you study, increasing economic problems in country create social unrest.

Now here, people look for someone to blame, common man faces unemployment.
All it takes is that one man to say 'it's those immigrants taking our jobs', and there you have it.

Blaming someone for taking your job is one thing. But them we must look at the other side (the immigrants) who give others reasons to hate them.

Example: selling drugs, pimping White girls, raping and molesting White girls, forming gangs and jumping Whites, establishing no-go-zones, enforcing Shariah within a state, cordoning off neighborhood to certain people based on their religious faith, rioting and burning stores, cars, etc, and finally demanding that Europe be turned into a "Islamic" state similar to what the Middle East is.

 

[flamer84]

Well, this time I don't have any concerns.........we in the "rest" of the world are armed "to-the-teeth".... at-least you ain't gonna come our way...

Can't speak for others,but romanians have some old MIG 21'S,we just bought some 12 old F16's,i don't imagine us gunning other countries very soon.

Also,we won't invade others ,we will be fighting ourselves and sucker others into taking sides.The victorious european side will clasify the loosers as "true villains" and so on.

I laughed at the nobel prize beeing given to the EU,it's like :"Hey,you guys haven't slaughtered a quarter of your population and destroyed 90% percent of your infrastructure in the last 50 years.Here,have a cookie."

 

[Desert Fox]

I said there is no "unified" Western Culture..well, probably I forgot to write the word but I had this discussion many times on this forum before...

There is no "Western Civilization" ... just as there is no "Islamic Civilization" ...There are Germans, French, Americans, Romanians etc..but they are NOT a part of one single 'civilization'.

If you are well-versed in history, then you would know that all these terms like "Civilization" , "Culture" arose around 18th-19th century (used mostly by French writers) in order to justify colonialism...

Early Muslim writers did not use terms like "Islamic Civilization" BUT it were Europeans who came with these terms..so that a clear distinction can be made between 'civilized' us vs 'uncivilized' them...

A girl living in America barely as anything in common with a girl living in Romania (may be color and religion are same, thats it)..How can they both be members of same 'civilization'?

In this regard, I and some Egyptian dude are a part of same 'civilization' since we are both brown and Muslim...but that is wrong.

Similarly, there is no one "Western Civilization" ... There is French Civilization, Anglo-Saxon may be, and so on...

PS. Whitemanburden is a troll and most say utterly ignorant things...

Perhaps this is your view. Not everyone will necessarily agree with this.

In your case, on paper, one might not see the distinction of civilizations. However, from my personal experience, there is a big difference, or shall is say there are big differences by way of prevalent thoughts, or mentalities to be exact.