Ukraine sets task of building Europe's strongest army, returning Crimea — security chief

[Echo_419]

I dont know why people dismissed Ukraine Military Strength this quick, think about they had just fought and currently stablised a Russian Backing coup...Thatsin itself is something.

As we can see in the begining of the wa, Ukraine Military is literally thrid rated, yet they can hold out for a Russian backing invasion for a year. I dont remember can anyone do that.

In time, Ukrainian Military is going to get stronge, we already see the high water mark for the seperatist, as they tried, but none success to expand the front line, the front line is from now going to be pushed back into Russian side.

Dont forget, Ukraine only uses National Guard, Interior Troop and volunteer to fight the war at donbass, their army, yes abit small, was held back during the conflict.

Yes we can dismiss it becuz it has a budget of 3.2 billion
On topic
Ukraine is going to suffer heavily

 

[jhungary]

lol as in budget do matter...

Well, if that's so, then maybe US should roll all over the world as nobody can even match half the US defence budget.

lol

 

[Superboy]

Do you realise the red part contradict the blue part?

Ukraine BETTER not get Russia involved, for the sake of its own existence.

.Ukraine population is 42,928,900 in January 1, 2015 without Crimea

That's a lie and you can smell it from a MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILE away

Russia can never deploy its entire force against Ukraine.If it want then Siberia will go to China, Sakhalin and Kuril Is. to Japan

Only if Beijing and Tokyo want to get nuked. Even if every Russian soldier goes to fight Ukraine, China and Japan would not dare do sh!t to Russia's eastern territories.

Well, if that's so, then maybe US should roll all over the world as nobody can even match half the US defence budget.

Roll over the world? The US can't even roll over Canada

War of 1812 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Gazprom]

I dont know why people dismissed Ukraine Military Strength this quick, think about they had just fought and currently stablised a Russian Backing coup...Thatsin itself is something.

As we can see in the begining of the wa, Ukraine Military is literally thrid rated, yet they can hold out for a Russian backing invasion for a year. I dont remember can anyone do that.

In time, Ukrainian Military is going to get stronge, we already see the high water mark for the seperatist, as they tried, but none success to expand the front line, the front line is from now going to be pushed back into Russian side.

Dont forget, Ukraine only uses National Guard, Interior Troop and volunteer to fight the war at donbass, their army, yes abit small, was held back during the conflict.

Russian invasion lol. There is no invasion. If there was invasion then russians would have established no fly zone via use of S-300's very quickly decimated ukrainian airpower and artillery quickly. As of now, it seems Russia is more focused on its nuclear shelter network of EMERCOM.

 

[Superboy]

Russian invasion lol. There is no invasion. If there was invasion then russians would have established no fly zone via use of S-300's very quickly.

Also Su-27SM, Su-34, Su-35, Su-30MS2, Ka-52, Mi-28N, satellite guided Kh-55SM cruise missiles taking out power plants, command and control nodes, ammo depots, and you would see loads of T-90S.

Don't EVER mess with the Russian military.

 

[RepublicOk]

Crimea is gone.. Ukraine better accept the fact instead of living in coco cloud world...

 

[Gazprom]

Also Su-27SM, Su-34, Su-35, Su-30MS2, and you would see loads of T-90S.

Yes and no. A lot of strikes by Iskander and cruise missiles launched by ground and air platforms.

These russia invading ukraine is BS story. My own uncle who is IFS and has posting in Eastern Europe has stated that Russia is in gearing up for the coming NATO nuclear war and is in process of reactivating tens of thousands of civilian nuclear underground shelters under the control of EMERCOM and that NATO is playing a game much more dangerous than the cuban missile crisis.

Russian intelligence services have good reason to suspect that NATO is gearing for a nuclear first strike. If nukes and an NATO invasion force is deployed in Kiev ,then the ETA time for NATO to cripple and conquer Moscow is less than a week ,according to journalist Israel Shamir .

 

[Superboy]

Yes and no. A lot of strikes by Iskander and cruise missiles launched by ground and air platforms.

For sure satellite guided Kh-55SM cruise missiles would be used to destroy power plants, munitions factories, ammo depots, command and control nodes.

 

[jhungary]

Ukraine BETTER not get Russia involved, for the sake of its own existence.




That's a lie and you can smell it from a MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILE away




Only if Beijing and Tokyo want to get nuked. Even if every Russian soldier goes to fight Ukraine, China and Japan would not dare do sh!t to Russia's eastern territories.




Roll over the world? The US can't even roll over Canada

War of 1812 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lol as if they were Canadian victory, in fact the majority of fighting done during 1812 is the British, what the Canadian fought? In Crysler's farm?

And dont forget even the newborn US can stand toe to toe to the then superpower the UK, and draw the conflictwith a superpower with just a country of 40 years old. Can China fight a war with US and draw the US now?

LOL hetter go back and learn some history son.

Russian invasion lol. There is no invasion. If there was invasion then russians would have established no fly zone via use of S-300's very quickly decimated ukrainian airpower and artillery quickly. As of now, it seems Russia is more focused on its nuclear shelter network of EMERCOM.

lol you do know anything heavy needed a certain degree of training, you are not talking about how a mine worker in Eastern Ukraine know how to fire an AK47, even my niece knew how, but can they learn how to drive a tank and work the complicated Fire control system of a tank with iust 4 months into a war?

Dude the moment there are tank running around in June would have more than enough indication that Russian troop were involved in the conflict.

It took at least 6 months to learn how to operate an armoured vehicle, that just how to go forward, turn in a circle, how to fire the main gun, you will need another year or so to master it and kill your trained Ukrainian Opponent. Thats not the same as some dude firing some AK to Ukranian Infantry.

But I guess this kind of concept is lost in this Russian Brigade in PDF, lol yeah, Russian give them some tank and Magically they know how to drive it and use the fire control and calculate the gravitational drop of different round in less than 3 months. LOL I think only you guys are seriously buying it

 

[Gazprom]

lol as if they were Canadian victory, in fact the majority of fighting done during 1812 is the British, what the Canadian fought? In Crysler's farm?

And dont forget even the newborn US can stand toe to toe to the then superpower the UK, and draw the conflictwith a superpower with just a country of 40 years old. Can China fight a war with US and draw the US now?

LOL hetter go back and learn some history son.



lol you do know anything heavy needed a certain degree of training, you are not talking about how a mine worker in Eastern Ukraine know how to fire an AK47, even my niece knew how, but can they learn how to drive a tank and work the complicated Fire control system of a tank with iust 4 months into a war?

Dude the moment there are tank running around in June would have more than enough indication that Russian troop were involved in the conflict.

It took at least 6 months to learn how to operate an armoured vehicle, that just how to go forward, turn in a circle, how to fire the main gun, you will need another year or so to master it and kill your trained Ukrainian Opponent. Thats not the same as some dude firing some AK to Ukranian Infantry.

But I guess this kind of concept is lost in this Russian Brigade in PDF, lol yeah, Russian give them some tank and Magically they know how to drive it and use the fire control and calculate the gravitational drop of different round in less than 3 months. LOL I think only you guys are seriously buying it

Okay.You are a US military professional. Nugh said. Not a wonder that you are pushing a propaganda version of events considering that your corrupt govt is pushing to genocidally conquer donbass for stealing more oil and gas.Or even more that Ukraine oiligarchs are top contributors to the corrupt Hillary clinton


Vice President Joe Biden's son joins Ukraine gas company - BBC News
The Farce Is Complete: Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer | Zero Hedge
Clinton Foundation’s Deep Financial Ties to Ukrainian Oligarch Revealed | Zero Hedge

What a farce you put on .

@vostok you are east Ukrainian.I think you could explain us the ground events better.

 

[vostok]

Okay.You are a US military professional. Nugh said. Not a wonder that you are pushing a propaganda version of events considering that your corrupt govt is pushing to genocidally conquer donbass for stealing more oil and gas.

Vice President Joe Biden's son joins Ukraine gas company - BBC News
The Farce Is Complete: Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer | Zero Hedge

What a farce you put on .

@vostok you are east Ukrainian.I think you could explain us the ground events better.

The West is trying to prevent the reunification of the former USSR. Labor in vain. Anyway, our state will regain its rightful place in the world. Western propaganda no longer works. Works a little - but only on fools or professional traitors.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Ukraine sets task of building Europe's strongest army, returning Crimea — security chief

Why say something that you know perfectly well that you will never be able to accomplish even in your wildest dreams. I mean what's the point?

 

[jhungary]

Okay.You are a US military professional. Nugh said. Not a wonder that you are pushing a propaganda version of events considering that your corrupt govt is pushing to genocidally conquer donbass for stealing more oil and gas.Or even more that Ukraine oiligarchs are top contributors to the corrupt Hillary clinton


Vice President Joe Biden's son joins Ukraine gas company - BBC News
The Farce Is Complete: Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer | Zero Hedge
Clinton Foundation’s Deep Financial Ties to Ukrainian Oligarch Revealed | Zero Hedge

What a farce you put on .

@vostok you are east Ukrainian.I think you could explain us the ground events better.

Very Classic Diverting tactics, please do answer me the question I asked instead of wasting time trying to divert the attention to some place else.

If Russia was not involved directly, how the hack the Rebel can drive around in tanks and engage the ukrainian with some degree of efficiency in just a few months?

facts are Russian boots are on the ground, no point denying about that, and fact are, the west will laugh at Russia after they cant even break thru donbass...I think we in the west knowing this will be sleeping soundly at night.

Indian troll, nugh said

 

[Gazprom]

Very Classic Diverting tactics, please do answer me the question I asked instead of wasting time trying to divert the attention to some place else.

If Russia was not involved directly, how the hack the Rebel can drive around in tanks and engage the ukrainian with some degree of efficiency in just a few months?

facts are Russian boots are on the ground, no point denying about that, and fact are, the west will laugh at Russia after they cant even break thru donbass...I think we in the west knowing this will be sleeping soundly at night.

Indian troll, nugh said

Hint: ex-east Ukraine veterans, defectors and Cossacks with former military background from Belarus/Russia/Kazakhstan sent by the Orthodox church.And look at the military NSA troll trying to protect his masters corruption .
As for Russia if they were there ,Ukraine would have fallen long ago. Instead every time Ukraine army suffers defeat ,West is crying for ceasefire .



As for Ukraine army ,most of the new conscripts don't know how to operate the equipment .Not a wonder the eastern ex-Ukraine veterans are toasting the junta forces. If Ukrainian army was not west Ukrainian conscripts ,this rebel army would have been toast in 15 days.

 

[ptldM3]

If Russia was not involved directly, how the hack the Rebel can drive around in tanks and engage the ukrainian with some degree of efficiency in just a few months?

This may come as a surprise to you but at one time military service was mandatory in both Ukraine and Russia. There has also been thousands of Ukrainian military defectors.

Even Isis operates tanks and other heavy military equipment, both Soviet and American.

facts are Russian boots are on the ground, no point denying about that, and fact are, the west will laugh at Russia after they cant even break thru donbass...I think we in the west knowing this will be sleeping soundly at night.

This is one of the dumbest things i have heard in a while. Many of the "pro Russian" fighters are in the 40s, 50s and some in their 60s. If Russia wanted Ukraine it would take just days to reach Kiev even the US military admitted it. The Russian air force alone would destroy most Ukrainian armor around Donbass and cause the Ukrainian military the flee just like they caused the Georgian military to flee. Even without the air force, drones, and newer heavy armor Russia would easily overwhelm the Ukrainians by sheer numbers.

And again you are putting a propaganda twist on the fighting in Donbass....'the glorious Ukrainian army is holding back a full scale Russian invasion'. In reality the Ukrainian army is retreating on every front.