Ukraine says Malaysian airliner shot down, 295 dead: agency

[Hashshāshīn]

Normally people carry passport in hand baggage.. no?

Briefcases are pretty strong these days.

 

[Devil Soul]

United States Assessment of the Downing of Flight MH17 and its Aftermath
We assess that Flight MH17 was likely downed by a SA-11 surface-to-air missile from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine. We base this judgment on several factors.

Over the past month, we have detected an increasing amount of heavy weaponry to separatist fighters crossing the border from Russia into Ukraine. Last weekend, Russia sent a convoy of military equipment with up to 150 vehicles including tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery, and multiple rocket launchers to the separatist. We also have information indicating that Russia is providing training to separatist fighters at a facility in southwest Russia, and this effort included training on air defense systems.

Pro-Russian separatist fighters have demonstrated proficiency with surface-to-air missile systems and have downed more than a dozen aircraft over the past few months, including two large transport aircraft.

At the time that flight MH17 dropped out of contact, we detected a surface-to-air missile (SAM) launch from a separatist-controlled area in southeastern Ukraine. We believe this missile was an SA-11.

Intercepts of separatist communications posted on YouTube by the Ukrainian government indicate the separatists were in possession of a SA-11 system as early as Monday July 14th. In the intercepts, the separatists made repeated references to having and repositioning Buk (SA-11) systems.

Social media postings on Thursday show an SA-11 system traveling through the separatist-controlled towns of Torez and Snizhne, near the crash site and assessed location of the SAM launch. From this location, the SA-11 has the range and altitude capability to have shot down flight MH17.

Ukraine also operates SA-11 systems, but we are confident no Ukrainian air defense systems were within range of the crash. Ukrainian forces have also not fired a single surface-to-air missile during the conflict, despite often complaining about violations of their airspace by Russian military aircraft.

Shortly after the crash, separatists – including the self-proclaimed “Defense Minister” of the Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov – claimed responsibility for shooting down a military transport plane on social media.

In an intercepted conversation that has been widely posted on the internet, a known-separatist leader tells another person that a separatist faction downed the aircraft. After it became evident that the plane was a civilian airliner, separatists deleted social media posts boasting about shooting down a plane and possessing a Buk (SA-11) SAM system.

Audio data provided to the press by the Ukrainian security service was evaluated by Intelligence Community analysts who confirmed these were authentic conversations between known separatist leaders, based on comparing the Ukraine-released internet audio to recordings of known separatists.

Video posted on social media yesterday show an SA-11 on a transporter traveling through the Krasnodon are back to Russia. The video indicated the system was missing at least one missile, suggesting it had conducted a launch.

Events on the ground at the crash site clearly demonstrate that separatists are in full control of the area.

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[JSCh]

A sensitive times for this news to appear, not assuming anything....

Daily: Finnish Customs intercepted Ukraine-bound missile components | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi

Daily: Finnish Customs intercepted Ukraine-bound missile components
Finnish Customs have intercepted a large consignment of arms bound for Ukraine, reports the daily Helsingin Sanomat. Finnish Defence Forces are said to be looking into the case.

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  The shipment of missile components was bound for the far-eastern corner of Ukraine, according to customs officials. Image: Yle
  The daily Helsingin Sanomat reported Thursday that an air freight consignment destined for Ukraine was found to contain numerous parts of a missile guidance system. The find was discovered in June as part of routine customs surveillance at the Helsinki-Vantaa airport.
  
  Officials discovered however, that the shipment did not have the required clearance for transit through Finland to the far eastern part of Ukraine.
  
  Because of the delicacy of the Ukrainian crisis the case had initially only been reported to very high-ranking members of government.
  
  Defence Force officials are now examining the items to determine what parts of the missile system they represent.
  
  Officers from Customs' anti-crime unit are awaiting further information about the parts from defence experts before pressing ahead with a criminal investigation into unlawful exports. They are also trying to determine the intended recipients of the shipment.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Robert Parry is a well-known investigative journalist and an expert of intelligence services. He is best known for his covering of the Iran-Contra Affair.

"Regarding the shoot-down of the Malaysian jetliner
on Thursday, I’m told that some CIA analysts cite
U.S. satellite reconnaissance photos suggesting that
the anti-aircraft missile that brought down Flight
17 was fired by Ukrainian troops from a government
battery, not by ethnic Russian rebels who have been
resisting the regime in Kiev since elected President
Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown on Feb. 22.

According to a source briefed on the tentative findings,
the soldiers manning the battery appeared to be wearing
Ukrainian uniforms and may have been drinking, since
what looked like beer bottles were scattered around the
site. But the source added that the information was still
incomplete and the analysts did not rule out the possibility
of rebel responsibility."

More @
Airline Horror Spurs New Rush to Judgment | Consortiumnews

About Robert Parry: Robert Parry (journalist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[IR1907]

People wondering why passports survived and humans didnt, do the following :

1.Go to the nearest top building in your area, climb to the roof
2.First throw your passport from the building, go down and pick up to see the state of the passport (most likely the passport is fully intact)
3.Now climb back to the roof again and throw yourself this time and see for yourself what happens

 

[Schutz]

It shows that conspiracy nuts will literally jump at every possible opportunity, last time I checked a passport/clothing arent human flesh.

 

[Al Bhatti]

UAE dispatches team to identify MH17 victims

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

People wondering why passports survived and humans didnt, do the following :

1.Go to the nearest top building in your area, climb to the roof
2.First throw your passport from the building, go down and pick up to see the state of the passport (most likely the passport is fully intact)
3.Now climb back to the roof again and throw yourself this time and see for yourself what happens

LOL you are so dumb. The plane blew up you clown. Passports don't survive when something blows up.

 

[IR1907]

LOL you are so dumb. The plane blew up you clown. Passports don't survive when something blows up.

No, bozo. You fail to understand the most simple issue here, the explosion that blew up the airplane didnt form into dozens of many other little explosions in the cabin that specifically targeted the passengers passports, maybe in your retarded brains this is possible but there is no certain type of weapon that ''goes for'' the passports. LOL

No doubt a dozens of passport that were within the vicinity of the explosion or fires that broke out got destroyed but there is a good amount of passports that survived it, as it is evident on the pictures of the crash. And bozo, when the passport survives the fire/explosion it wont get ''destroyed'' if it falls from 30.000 ft high.

Before opening your stinking mouth and calling others as ''clowns'' or ''dumb'' use your braincells. (if you have any, bozo)

 

[Hack-Hook]

No, bozo. You fail to understand the most simple issue here, the explosion that blew up the airplane didnt form into dozens of many other little explosions in the cabin that specifically targeted the passengers passports, maybe in your retarded brains this is possible but there is no certain type of weapon that ''goes for'' the passports. LOL

No doubt a dozens of passport that were within the vicinity of the explosion or fires that broke out got destroyed but there is a good amount of passports that survived it, as it is evident on the pictures of the crash. And bozo, when the passport survives the fire/explosion it wont get ''destroyed'' if it falls from 30.000 ft high.

Before opening your stinking mouth and calling others as ''clowns'' or ''dumb'' use your braincells. (if you have any, bozo)

well when it come to passport I have always wondered if they scattered at the height of 10km , honestly why they did not fall in Helsinki ,those passports are very light and the air current at those altitudes are a little strong . It would not be strange if you throw a passport at the height of 40km in it land several hundred km away

 

[IR1907]

well when it come to passport I have always wondered if they scattered at the height of 10km , honestly why they did not fall in Helsinki ,those passports are very light and the air current at those altitudes are a little strong . It would not be strange if you throw a passport at the height of 40km in it land several hundred km away

I dont think it started to immediately scatter at the height of 10KM. Also, most of the passports are put in a safe place in a bag,suitcase. It most likely scattered when the bags,suitcases hit the ground.