Ukraine says Malaysian airliner shot down, 295 dead: agency

[gau8av]

CNN expert "..conspiracy theories we shouldn't even entertain.." followed by "here's what I think.."

 

[Star Wars]

Are you suggesting that the passports are not from the crashed plane ?

Just a simple google will reveal the names (on the passport) that were on that flight from the family,media, booking agencies etc

RIP

Am not suggesting anything , i find it totally bizarre anything can survive that in one piece, unless information being provided is wrong

 

[Strigon]

Who would be insecure over a Pakistani? Lmao

Pretty evident you are since one without even saying anything can get on your nerves

 

[Hashshāshīn]

You didn’t get the joke didn’t you?

Kind of hard to detect sarcasm over text, isn't it boss?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Previous day they shot an ukrainian fighter at 20k ft..... they might have thought of a possibility of an aircraft took off from far away base and flying in this area... May be?

10km is 33000 feet not 20000 feet

 

[Donatello]

It's the fuel consumption & the transit time they look for. Apparently the alternate route would have delayed the flight by only 15 mins & the fuel for that additional flying time. Only a couple of days ago an Ukrainian military transport plane was shot down at the same area & an air force jet earlier today. Obviously this airspace is pretty much vulnerable & accident prone, with both state & non-state actors having a field day.

During active air hostilities, air-space is a no fly zone anyway. In this case not so much because you have rebels and separatists fighting against each other in muddy territories. Air space is not marked by boundaries and as such. If this was a case of shoot down, the operators probably didn't know how to use the system. They probably saw a blip on the radar and shot at it. The blip could be anything from a Russian su-25 to a civilian airliner. That's why there are checks in place and the last call for missile launch comes from a senior officer. But when you put this in the hands of amateurs at best, shyt like this can happen. No body could see this coming. Yes there was a possibility, but not certainty. Now there is.

 

[acid rain]

You need a well trained SAM crew to hit something that high, which the Rebels don't posses ...

How do you know that? they just took down a su25 and a military jet which are much more difficult targets with counter measures. This could have been a rebel mistaking it for something else.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Not possible, MANPADs cannot hit that high.

At that kind of altitude, it must have been a radar-guided missile.

 

[Jlaw]

It is a sad event.

I really suspect the Nazi Ukraine government more than Putin in case of any foul play. Putin despite of all his weaknesses, is a man who play by the rules and someone people can do business with.

Unlike others, Putin defended his countries against traitors who sold themselves to USA.

Or maybe it's like the sinking of the RMS Lusutania. The pro-Western forcesy are hoping to draw NATO into this conflict.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

The latest nasty surprise, courtesy of the Kiev freaks. Thanks again uncle Sam

23 U.S.A citizens also died in this incident. What thanks to uncle SAM? I don't understand logic in your post

 

[Strigon]

Am not suggesting anything , i find it totally bizarre anything can survive that in one piece, unless information being provided is wrong

I kinda agree with you. Barely anything survived in the pictures. Almost everything is charred, from engines to frames. Exception being somewhat still intact but dead victims....But passports in perfect condition...

 

[pakdefender]

23 U.S.A citizens also died in this incident. What thanks to uncle SAM? I don't understand logic in your post

Sacrificial lambs for the Temple of Solomon

 

[acid rain]

Am not suggesting anything , i find it totally bizarre anything can survive that in one piece, unless information being provided is wrong

Throw a bunch of paper from a high rise, it will land in one piece, its not made of metal to disintegrate.

 

[Donatello]

Am not suggesting anything , i find it totally bizarre anything can survive that in one piece, unless information being provided is wrong

Nothing bizzare. You can have look at the pictures again, with dead passengers. some have their clothes on (indicating they were shielded from the air outside when the plane came down in one big piece) while others have their shirts off, indicating their clothes were blown off by the rushing air and thus were seated in areas that broke off. From the looks of the crash, the plane fell in one big piece with engines lying close to the rest of the main body and wings/ailerons etc. So yes something like a passport can easily survive in a hand carry bag, etc.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Also as per certain reports there were Ukrainian fighter jets escorting the Aircraft .

Why would they do that? Most of the media in the west seems to be pointing fingers at Russia. Then again.. it would be naive to come to that sort of conclusion this early.