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This changes the dynamics in the Ukraine-Russia game and also NATO-Russo dynamics.

Volodymyr Zelensky doesn't mind seeing the end of Russia as an state. If he joins NATO he will gain advantage over Russia and any spill over will get NATO involved meaning this could threatened Russia's existence as an state down the line hence Russia sees this turning point as the corner stone of history or rather flipping of a new page and chapter where Russia becomes the hunted.

Zelensky has entered into military production cooperation with over dozens of nations and they have expaned military production like no other country in Europe now. Ukraine is aggressively building up it's armed forces after since the humiliation of the Crimea incident weighes heavy on their minds hence there is no lack of motivations or developments within the Ukrainian ranks. If somehow this saga ends with a NATO-Russo confrontation this would be the best possible outcome for Ukraine and they don't mind at all such end game. This also means the US kinda know that regardless of what they do Russia will be the head of the enemy camp and there is collision course so might aswell add Ukraine because Russia is definitely not a neutral element as per say and there is nothing to see there. Ukraine is a major asset to NATO bulking the alliance and their recent aggressive build-up only strengthens them. They couldn't just leave an asset like Ukraine just laying around without picking it up and adding it to the alliance cart. Leaving Ukraine outside of the alliance could also be dangerous down the line because letting a strong nation on their borders become a wildcard without a herd could be hazardous as the Russians themselves could use them or other rivals turning them on NATO itself hence NATO had no other choice but to pick up Ukraine and add it to it's team.

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President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday (21 October) that the Western-backed military development of Ukraine posed a serious threat to Russia, two days after the US defense secretary staged a show of support for Kyiv and encouraged its aspiration to join NATO.

Putin told a group of journalists and Russia experts that Tuesday’s visit to Ukraine by Lloyd Austin, in which he said no third country had the right to veto its hoped-for NATO membership, had effectively paved the way for Kyiv to join.

Whether it did or not, Putin said, Russia’s interests were targeted.

“Formal membership (of Ukraine) in NATO may not take place, but it is not necessary to be a NATO member to deploy American, British military infrastructure on the territory of Ukraine”, Putin told the Valdai Discussion Club, according to an official transcript. “And this really poses a threat to Russia. We are aware of that.”

The United States has been Ukraine’s most powerful backer since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and the outbreak of a war the same year between Russian separatists and government forces in eastern Ukraine, which Kyiv says has killed 14,000 people.

The Kremlin chief has consistently made clear that NATO membership for Ukraine – which shares close ties with Russia going back to ancient times – would be a red line for Moscow.

Russia this week effectively severed diplomatic relations with NATO after the alliance kicked out eight members of its mission there for alleged spying. NATO defence ministers agreed a new master plan on Thursday to defend against any potential Russian attack on multiple fronts.

 
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Ukraine used to be 2nd most powerful country in USSR and is former Kievan Rus capital of Rus. If I were Putin I'd be crappy my pants right about now.
 
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WW3 YOU DUMB MUTHAFCKS, a stupid decision if if comes about, but I don't give a fck, I got my Harem (diverse beautiful chicks) my nuclear bunker, and enough food and supplies to repopulate the planet LoL.
 
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Leaving Ukraine outside of the alliance could also be dangerous down the line because letting a strong nation on their borders become a wildcard without a herd could be hazardous as the Russians themselves could use them or other rivals turning them on NATO itself hence NATO had no other choice but to pick up Ukraine and add it to it's team.

This could become exactly like the Algerian situation a strong country right in the middle of peninsula shields line of alliance.. This could be Ukraines case if they are left out.. Believe me nobody wants another Algeria is just headache for these wanting to create cohesive neighbourhood.. Hence they will be added
 
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For Ukraine Russian speaking Ukrainian should merge with Russia and all other with EU that is solution
 
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For Ukraine Russian speaking Ukrainian should merge with Russia and all other with EU that is solution

Russia wants everything east of dnipro river that even includes kiev this is non-negotiable on both sides. The Ukrainians are prepared to fight if push comes shove
 
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Russia wants everything east of dnipro river that even includes kiev this is non-negotiable. They are prepared to fight the Ukrainians if push comes shove
I lived there most of Russia speaking are with Russia they both hate each other ,ppl of lughanks ,Donetsk ,kharkive dinipro Odessa all love Russian instead of Ukrainian
 
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clickbait headline, there are many things that would need resolving before NATO membership was possible.
 
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clickbait headline, there are many things that would need resolving before NATO membership was possible.

This is was what came out of the recent meeting from the horses own mouth. I don't see how they will leave Ukraine out just to valuable at the end of the day to leave it for others Even tho Ukraine is not part of NATO they are allied with it currently as it stands and have forces in Ukraine. They also did that huge black sea exercises to send message to Russia that NATO is in the black sea region and has no intention of giving it up or leaving.

They have already dug themselves in deep and Russia knows this that NATO is in Ukraine and they will not leave to the point where Ukraine has gained no.1 focus as the major theater instead of Baltic states, Poland and Romania but now Ukraine goes a tact above these places in importance.

1.Ukraine
2.Baltic states
3.Poland
4.Romania

All of these are counted as one theater by the way but Ukraine imo is now the defacto prime NATO theater even above the 3 other sub-theaters
 
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The USSR was a huge, multi-confessional, multi-ethnic monolith which forcibly controlled a vast array of eastern European (Warsaw Pact) and trans-Russian and Muslim Caucasian and Central Asian regions by a ramming the Bolshevik Jews "Socialism" with brute force. Russian internal weaknesses and the 5th column of Jews ensured the destruction of USSR and now Russia.

Putin's wavering stance on Ukraine and confused policies only opened the doors for NATO and EU to fill the power vacuum and turn Ukraine into a launching pad for further destabilization and Balkanization of the fragile "Russian Federation" which has seen endless restlessness and conflict in the Caucasus and Ukraine and a tenuous status quo in Central Asia, which now faces pressure from the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.

The destiny of Ukraine and Russia are pretty much linked. Russian orthodoxy started in Ukraine, Kievan_Rus and every major Russian historical event from the battle of Poltava to the Czarist move into Ottoman and Persian lands is linked to Ukraine and the port of Sevastopol has been Russia's historical gateway and power projection to the Black sea and Mediterranean.

Now Russian weakness, weak political leadership, Jew influence and wavering has emboldened NATO to push further east and use Ukraine as a vassal and a launching bad for further expansion east. If you read the current NATO strategic outlook, it basically confirms that Russia in its current form is unacceptable and ripe for further truncation.
 
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Perhaps Ukraine & NATO can offer to recognize Crimea as part of Russia and lift all sanctions related to Crimean annexation in exchange for Russian tacit approval for Ukraine joining NATO..? I mean if the Crimean issue is not resolved yet, and Ukraine joins NATO, does this mean NATO will now have an obligation to "liberate" Crimea on behalf of Ukraine..?
 
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Perhaps Ukraine & NATO can offer to recognize Crimea as part of Russia and lift all sanctions related to Crimean annexation in exchange for Russian tacit approval for Ukraine joining NATO..? I mean if the Crimean issue is not resolved yet, and Ukraine joins NATO, does this mean NATO will now have an obligation to "liberate" Crimea on behalf of Ukraine..?

You kiddin me broski? This is not how geopolitics work..

1. Ukraine will not denounce Crimea even tho it will avoid engagements but it wants to crush the donbass elements it is bound to engage because these elements will likely go on the offensive themselves.

2. Russia has no power to deny approval only NATO decides who is in or not entirely they will not consult with anyone who they will admit to their own org.

3.Ukraine is more or less NATO it will be official very soon and NATO won't go for crimea liberation they will leave it be but Donbass could become a flashpoint at some point down the line
 
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Now Russia will be very scared to attack Ukraine, just like Talibans were scared of 40 nation strong NATO

Didn't Russia lost in Afghanistan as well?
This changes the dynamics in the Ukraine-Russia game and also NATO-Russo dynamics.

Volodymyr Zelensky doesn't mind seeing the end of Russia as an state. If he joins NATO he will gain advantage over Russia and any spill over will get NATO involved meaning this could threatened Russia's existence as an state down the line hence Russia sees this turning point as the corner stone of history or rather flipping of a new page and chapter where Russia becomes the hunted.

Zelensky has entered into military production cooperation with over dozens of nations and they have expaned military production like no other country in Europe now. Ukraine is aggressively building up it's armed forces after since the humiliation of the Crimea incident weighes heavy on their minds hence there is no lack of motivations or developments within the Ukrainian ranks. If somehow this saga ends with a NATO-Russo confrontation this would be the best possible outcome for Ukraine and they don't mind at all such end game. This also means the US kinda know that regardless of what they do Russia will be the head of the enemy camp and there is collision course so might aswell add Ukraine because Russia is definitely not a neutral element as per say and there is nothing to see there. Ukraine is a major asset to NATO bulking the alliance and their recent aggressive build-up only strengthens them. They couldn't just leave an asset like Ukraine just laying around without picking it up and adding it to the alliance cart. Leaving Ukraine outside of the alliance could also be dangerous down the line because letting a strong nation on their borders become a wildcard without a herd could be hazardous as the Russians themselves could use them or other rivals turning them on NATO itself hence NATO had no other choice but to pick up Ukraine and add it to it's team.

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President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday (21 October) that the Western-backed military development of Ukraine posed a serious threat to Russia, two days after the US defense secretary staged a show of support for Kyiv and encouraged its aspiration to join NATO.

Putin told a group of journalists and Russia experts that Tuesday’s visit to Ukraine by Lloyd Austin, in which he said no third country had the right to veto its hoped-for NATO membership, had effectively paved the way for Kyiv to join.

Whether it did or not, Putin said, Russia’s interests were targeted.

“Formal membership (of Ukraine) in NATO may not take place, but it is not necessary to be a NATO member to deploy American, British military infrastructure on the territory of Ukraine”, Putin told the Valdai Discussion Club, according to an official transcript. “And this really poses a threat to Russia. We are aware of that.”

The United States has been Ukraine’s most powerful backer since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and the outbreak of a war the same year between Russian separatists and government forces in eastern Ukraine, which Kyiv says has killed 14,000 people.

The Kremlin chief has consistently made clear that NATO membership for Ukraine – which shares close ties with Russia going back to ancient times – would be a red line for Moscow.

Russia this week effectively severed diplomatic relations with NATO after the alliance kicked out eight members of its mission there for alleged spying. NATO defence ministers agreed a new master plan on Thursday to defend against any potential Russian attack on multiple fronts.


Russia going to invade and try to take all of Ukraine before it could become part of NATO?
 
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