UK union now in doubt. Northern Ireland to unify with Ireland?

[waz]

Elections 2022: Boris Johnson's union headache just got worse

Strains on the United Kingdom are laid bare by a remarkable set of election results, writes Chris Mason.

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A fractious UK. A fractious Westminster.

As the final votes are counted, we can now survey where these elections leave the country, and those who lead us - and what happens next.

What has happened in Northern Ireland is profound. For the first time since its creation just over a century ago, a party that seeks unification with the Republic has won an election there.

After a decade where jitters, or delight - depending on your point of view - over the strains on the United Kingdom have focused on Scotland, now those strains start to become visible in Northern Ireland too.

Our political conversation has become used to the debate about Scotland's future.
But it is worth spelling out the obvious about Scotland and now Northern Ireland, even if imminent significant change is unlikely.
Parties that seek to unpick the very stitching that holds together the collection of nations that makes up the UK are, in Northern Ireland's case, in the ascendancy; in Scotland's case, continuing to dominate.
For Boris Johnson, who, incidentally, includes 'Minister for the Union' in his collection of job titles, that is a headache that's just got a little more uncomfortable.
But don't expect radical change immediately in either Scotland or Northern Ireland.

Sinn Féin, led by Michelle O'Neill and Mary Lou McDonald, want Northern Ireland to leave the UK and reunite with the Republic of Ireland
The status quo can be sticky, even when it looks like everything has changed.
Sinn Fein has gone out of its way to emphasise that its short term priorities are day-to-day concerns like the cost of living crunch and the parlous state of Northern Ireland's NHS, rather than constitutional questions.

• And the Democratic Unionist Party's ongoing concerns with what is known as the Protocol - the Brexit deal they hate because it treats Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the UK - means they are not likely to go back into devolved government any time soon.

And, add to this, a not very catchy but significant new law, the Northern Ireland (Ministers, Elections and Petitions of Concern) Act 2022 which gives the parties six months to work out what they're going to do.

On Monday, we can expect the Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis to call the parties in, one by one, for a chat in his new-ish office, Erskine House in Belfast city centre, to talk through what happens next.
And we can expect a nod in the Queen's Speech on Tuesday to a willingness for the government to change the law on the Protocol, without actually committing to doing so immediately.

They have "four dimensional diplomatic chess" to pull off, as one source put it to me - trying to resolve the impasse in Northern Ireland, while maintaining a functional relationship with the European Union.

Beyond the specifics, there's a long term challenge for the government: the rise of Sinn Fein in both Northern Ireland and the Republic and the prospect, perhaps still several or more years away, of what is known as a "Border Poll" - a referendum on whether Northern Ireland remains part of the UK or becomes part of the Republic of Ireland.

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon celebrated the party's success with candidates and supporters in Glasgow
And in Scotland, the prospect of another referendum hovers too. The Scottish National Party don't find themselves falling back on the "mid term blues" excuse used by the Conservatives.

The Tories have slipped to third place behind Labour, and the SNP have been in government at Holyrood for 15 years and still dominate the Scottish political landscape.

But few expect another independence referendum by the end of next year, as the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said is her plan.

A combination of the prime minister's reluctance to grant one, and opinion polls not suggesting independence would be a certainty, could mean a mutually convenient postponement is most likely.
But make no mistake - step back, and there are two question marks now hanging over the United Kingdom's long term future.
And so from a fractious UK, to a fractious Westminster.
This weekend, wrangling is still going on within government about precisely what is mentioned and with what emphasis in the Queen's Speech on Tuesday.

The State Opening is an opportunity for any government to hit the reboot button, and a reboot button garnished with regalia, pomp and fancy dress.
An opportunity - ministers hope - to demonstrate ideas, energy and direction.
Not unhelpful after something of a whacking in the elections.
Losses in England, going backwards in Scotland and a result in Wales, the loss of 80 councillors which was described as "disastrous" by a Welsh Conservative deputy chairman.
But despite all that, the mood in government, from the ministers I speak to, is chipper.
"It's mid-term, we've been in government for 12 years, there's a war on, there's been a pandemic, there's a serious global economic crunch, one cabinet minister points out, suggesting the local election results could have been a whole lot worse for the Conservatives.
Where the two big parties at Westminster are left is broadly where they were before polling day: in a sticky status quo.
Some of the shine is coming off Boris Johnson in the view of some chunks of the electorate.
And some are willing to give Labour another look, but, from the Opposition's perspective, not enough to be confident they can win the next general election.

Elections 2022: Boris Johnson's union headache just got worse

Strains on the United Kingdom are laid bare by a remarkable set of election results, writes Chris Mason.

www.bbc.co.uk

My own opinion is that it's just a matter of time. Sinn Fein will push for the unification poll within a few years and will win. This is a simple game of numbers that was won i.e. Catholic families were far larger than Protestant families, and in some cases lines were blurred with mixed marriages.
If they go be sure Scotland will be next, and this was after the nationalists in Scotland were losing the case for independence.

Now you'd think the idiot that prances around as our prime minister Boris would have this at the forefront of his mind, but no its Ukraine and not much else.
In terms of British public opinion most people during political discussions have accepted this as a reality and gone down the route that the region costs us so much more than it gives to GDP, which is true e.g. their public services are far more better funded. However they don't seem to under the catalyst effect this can have on Scotland.

Anyway be prepared fellow Brits for a change in the flag in a few years.

 

[Foinikas]

Now you'd think the idiot that prances around as our prime minister Boris would have this at the forefront of his mind, but no its Ukraine and not much else.

Well said there.

Can you imagine UK doing a "special operation" in Northern Ireland and Johnson going like "No,no it's not like Ukraine,it's diffrent!"

 

[waz]

Well said there.

Can you imagine UK doing a "special operation" in Northern Ireland and Johnson going like "No,no it's not like Ukraine,it's diffrent!"

True the man is a total idiot with his priorities insanely wrong.
He’s ranting about Ukraine, off to India whist the country burns.

 

[Pakistani E]

One of the major consequences of Brexit, one that Pro-Brexiters dismissed as Project Fear coming to fruition.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Ever since Tony Blair introduced Devolution - the writing has been on the wall of what the Union will look like and it will evolve. That one event was always going to lead to the breakup of the UK and we are seeing that now. There is not stopping that now ....

Whenever power is delegated to another governing institution - that new institution will blame all the ills on the centre and demand more and more power as the solution for their ineptitude and also as a cover - that we have seen throughout the world. And the UK would be no different.

What we are seeing is not Brexit or Boris Johnson - it is the natural dynamics of the ebb and flow of politics that looks to always acquire more and more and more power for itself. This trend line has been going on since devolution and nothing in the recent events has changed the trend line of that direction. At best - you can argue it has speeded it up by a few years - but that is it. This was always going to happen.

Personally - I fundamentally believe in demoncracy and the right to choose. If they choose to go independent - then fine - go. But, as long as they take their portion of debt with them and we dont get hung with providing them anything post indepedence(eg defence, or pensions etc) then i can deal with it. It will be a shame to see a Union that has existed for so long go into history - but that is what history shows us - the notion of countries change over time.

England is the brains, the muscle, the heart and soul of the Union and it is what drives the wealth generation in the Union. England will do fine. The home nations have always sat on the hard work of the Union and looked for it for money to fund their wokest mindset. The reality is in post independence - they will have to fend for themselves and they will realise their new economic reality will not tally with their own self belives of their own self worth or ability to earn a living. Their new living standards will become a shock to them..

As a side note, it is interesting that N. Ireland, Scotland, and ultimately Wales all want to leave the UK which is devolving powers to them and then want to join the EU which wants to centralise all power and take it back from them. So - you have to wonder what the logic is of getting new powers as part of devolution only to give them to the EU commission. What is the logic of wanting to leave the UK union to join the EU union?

When the UK left the EU, the Goverment got back a whole bunch of new powers that these home nations wanted for them selves and did not want the Goverment to manage. The IRONY that they would lose those same new powers to the EU if they join the EU is lost to common sense it seems.

 

[WinterFangs]

Thank you boris trump