UK Local and European Elections-2014

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But can have referendum in 100 years ... For which the voted yes

 

[Azizam]

This threat should be active as the heat of election is rising.

My guess is that UKIP will win.

 

[Jaanbaz]

This threat should be active as the heat of election is rising.

My guess is that UKIP will win.

I don't think one party will be able to hold a majority. Maybe another coalition government?

 

[SixSigma1978]

UKIP seems to be a promising bet - i suppose their confrontational approach could create lots of law and order problems - but they don't lie through their teeth and put their cards plainly on the table - let's see how it goes with them

 

[Jungibaaz]

UKIP seems to be a promising bet - i suppose their confrontational approach could create lots of law and order problems - but they don't lie through their teeth and put their cards plainly on the table - let's see how it goes with them

I'm not really of the demographic that would vote UKIP. But even if I was, it is very easy to see through their 'confrontational; approach', their scaremongering and diverting attention from other major issues. As if cutting immigration will solve all of Britain's problems, besides, I'd put myself somewhere between Labour and Lib Dems in terms of economic policy, those guys are further right of even traditional conservatives... this is something again, most supporters of UKIP easily overlook, thanks to the massive distraction that they like to work on.

 

[waz]

As I predicted a conservative win. There you go folks, the old saying "it's about the economy stupid" couldn't be more relevant.

 

[Armstrong]

As I predicted a conservative win. There you go folks, the old saying "it's about the economy stupid" couldn't be more relevant.

Labor is more liberal !

Conservatives are like the PML N of England !

 

[Jungibaaz]

As I predicted a conservative win. There you go folks, the old saying "it's about the economy stupid" couldn't be more relevant.

The shy tory voters came out in force. Surprisingly, or unsurprisingly if you understand why, many working class voters who would have otherwise voted labour, decided to vote UKIP, many constituencies where they were 3rd in votes. That dented Labour's vote count. The seat count for labour was dented by the SNP and the Scottish having shot themselves in the foot.
Now they have a majority tory government in Westminister and they have no say whatsoever.

I voted Labour and it's a damn shame we're going to be looking at another 5 years of the experiment of trickle down economics. Promises to cut the deficit, as if managing the economy is like taming a teenager with a credit card, the deficit is always a big issue for the tory voters, a lot is said and then done about cuts in spending, yet no-one says a peep about the tax cuts for the richest, effectively countering efforts to cut that awful deficit. I also don't want a tory in charge of our education.

Also, final note, David Cameron's majority government will now be even more 'Tory-ish' than the last, George Osborne can now really let us have it, without the lib dems in to keep them in check.

 

[waz]

The shy tory voters came out in force. Surprisingly, or unsurprisingly if you understand why, many working class voters who would have otherwise voted labour, decided to vote UKIP, many constituencies where they were 3rd in votes. That dented Labour's vote count. The seat count for labour was dented by the SNP and the Scottish having shot themselves in the foot.
Now they have a majority tory government in Westminister and they have no say whatsoever.

I voted Labour and it's a damn shame we're going to be looking at another 5 years of the experiment of trickle down economics. Promises to cut the deficit, as if managing the economy is like taming a teenager with a credit card, the deficit is always a big issue for the tory voters, a lot is said and then done about cuts in spending, yet no-one says a peep about the tax cuts for the richest, effectively countering efforts to cut that awful deficit. I also don't want a tory in charge of our education.

Also, final note, David Cameron's majority government will now be even more 'Tory-ish' than the last, George Osborne can now really let us have it, without the lib dems in to keep them in check.

Labour only has its self to blame. They have lost the working class forever. No one listened to their cries for help, in terms of social mobility, the threat of mass immigration from Somalia to Bulgaria, living costs and so forth. That's why UKIP gathered the third highest vote count in England. The SNP are just riding on a wave of nationalism and anti English hysteria, which is dangerous.
I don't agree with how the conservatives have gone about things, but they did some actions that their Labour counterparts would have never done e.g. cut the bloated welfare state. You're right that they are too tame on the very wealthy, but then the argument of targeting wealth generators comes in.
As for education, I don't like the Tories or Labour in charge. Labour had golden opportunities under Blair to reign in Ofsted, and stop the ridiculous changes to the national curriculum, but they instead went full pelt ahead with what the Tories had started. Labour also started the academies program, another sell off state assets to the private sector, just like they had done with the NHS.
It remains to be seen what Cameron will do with his majority, I do believe the Libs kept some of the excesses in check, but then the tuition fees fiasco was the final nail in their coffin.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Labour only has its self to blame. They have lost the working class forever. No one listened to their cries for help, in terms of social mobility, the threat of mass immigration from Somalia to Bulgaria, living costs and so forth. That's why UKIP gathered the third highest vote count in England. The SNP are just riding on a wave of nationalism and anti English hysteria, which is dangerous.
I don't agree with how the conservatives have gone about things, but they did some actions that their Labour counterparts would have never done e.g. cut the bloated welfare state. You're right that they are too tame on the very wealthy, but then the argument of targeting wealth generators comes in.
As for education, I don't like the Tories or Labour in charge. Labour had golden opportunities under Blair to reign in Ofsted, and stop the ridiculous changes to the national curriculum, but they instead went full pelt ahead with what the Tories had started. Labour also started the academies program, another sell off state assets to the private sector, just like they had done with the NHS.
It remains to be seen what Cameron will do with his majority, I do believe the Libs kept some of the excesses in check, but then the tuition fees fiasco was the final nail in their coffin.

I've surveyed all parties and their policies, I was certain that the Lib Dems were ideologically my best fit. And I would have voted for them, had it not have been for them abandoning their long, long held party stance and being a party to conservative changes over the last 5 years. Most notably the tuition fees. Nick Clegg was a fool and a greedy fool to go in with the Tory party in the first place, and an even bigger fool to remain party leader and candidate for this election, with his tainted image. Once he goes, and some other big names in the Lib Dems go, they can make a comeback, though it looks unlikely.

Also, I think on a lot of issues, Labour and Conservatives are almost the same, with minor differences, and if it was not for the fear that we'd get either the Conservatives or Labour, I would and most people would vote for neither.

Labour were hard pressed this election. They swallowed the blame for the meltdown of 2008, which was their fault too, they also took a lot of blame for two useless wars and mass immigration, both of which are fair points.
But the way the working class responded is absurd! Mass immigration a worry? - the traditional working class voter who would see it in their interests to vote for left or centre-left parties, went full circle and voted UKIP based on their EU/immigration rhetoric...

Imagine a scenario like that, where traditional conservatives, estate-dwelling, public school, country club men and women, estranged by the Tory party, suddenly thought it wise to vote for the Greens or some socialist party.

Also Labour were pressed to somehow be more left wing to win back Scotts with no vision beyond Hadrian's wall, and pressed by the conservative English vote to become more centre left like Tony Blair's new labour. In the end they lost on both counts.

 

[waz]

I've surveyed all parties and their policies, I was certain that the Lib Dems were ideologically my best fit. And I would have voted for them, had it not have been for them abandoning their long, long held party stance and being a party to conservative changes over the last 5 years. Most notably the tuition fees. Nick Clegg was a fool and a greedy fool to go in with the Tory party in the first place, and an even bigger fool to remain party leader and candidate for this election, with his tainted image. Once he goes, and some other big names in the Lib Dems go, they can make a comeback, though it looks unlikely.

Also, I think on a lot of issues, Labour and Conservatives are almost the same, with minor differences, and if it was not for the fear that we'd get either the Conservatives or Labour, I would and most people would vote for neither.

Labour were hard pressed this election. They swallowed the blame for the meltdown of 2008, which was their fault too, they also took a lot of blame for two useless wars and mass immigration, both of which are fair points.
But the way the working class responded is absurd! Mass immigration a worry? - the traditional working class voter who would see it in their interests to vote for left or centre-left parties, went full circle and voted UKIP based on their EU/immigration rhetoric...

Imagine a scenario like that, where traditional conservatives, estate-dwelling, public school, country club men and women, estranged by the Tory party, suddenly thought it wise to vote for the Greens or some socialist party.

Also Labour were pressed to somehow be more left wing to win back Scotts with no vision beyond Hadrian's wall, and pressed by the conservative English vote to become more centre left like Tony Blair's new labour. In the end they lost on both counts.

I agree with most of your post, expect how the working class responded. Working closely with White working class families, people simply couldn't understand the sense of abandonment they felt. Their wages had been undercut, yes it is a matter of free market economics, but it was something the government could have influenced i.e. through more stricter immigration policies. Their children were literally ignored in schools, and we (educators) lost literally thousands of young boys and girls, whose potential we could have developed and they would have been great assets to the country. I can go on, but their backs were against the wall and their choice pool had dwindled, hence the way they voted.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I agree with most of your post, expect how the working class responded. Working closely with White working class families, people simply couldn't understand the sense of abandonment they felt. Their wages had been undercut, yes it is a matter of free market economics, but it was something the government could have influenced i.e. through more stricter immigration policies. Their children were literally ignored in schools, and we (educators) lost literally thousands of young boys and girls, whose potential we could have developed and they would have been great assets to the country. I can go on, but their backs were against the wall and their choice pool had dwindled, hence the way they voted.

I understand their motivation. It's valid, but looking at UKIP as a solution to the problems of the working class makes no sense beyond the immigration argument. It's in fact against any sense and wisdom to be working class and to vote UKIP for any other reason but immigration.

 

[waz]

I understand their motivation. It's valid, but looking at UKIP as a solution to the problems of the working class makes no sense beyond the immigration argument. It's in fact against any sense and wisdom to be working class and to vote UKIP for any other reason but immigration.

I'd say yes on the whole. Although the bringing back of Grammar schools (UKIP policy) would benefit working class children immensely. They also wanted to make sure that low income groups pay no tax. But some other stuff was daft.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I'd say yes on the whole. Although the bringing back of Grammar schools (UKIP policy) would benefit working class children immensely. They also wanted to make sure that low income groups pay not tax. But some other stuff was daft.

One thing good about UKIP was that they had a handful of no nonsense policies such as this one, they were very practical, and even I, a rabid lefty looked at them and thought, that they were very reasonable. But on the whole, they don't appeal to me at all.