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By Our Special Correspondent
Monday, 03 Aug, 2009

LONDON: A House of Commons report published on Sunday concluded that the UK faced more threat from inside Pakistan than from Afghanistan’s Helmand province where, the report asserted, British soldiers were sent on ‘an ill-defined mission undermined by unrealistic planning and lack of manpower’.

The Labour-chaired Commons foreign affairs select committee report raises the alarming spectre of Al Qaeda, ‘which has shifted its focus into Pakistan’.

Professor Shaun Gregory, an expert on Pakistan at Bradford University, told the committee that a direct attack on Pakistan’s nuclear weapons infrastructure could not be ruled out.:disagree:

According to the Observer, MPs concluded that there was now a ‘strong argument to be made’ that the Afghan insurgency was no longer an immediate threat to Britain, adding: ‘That threat in the form of Al Qaeda and international terrorism can be said more properly to emanate from Pakistan’.

The report concluded that, while the military campaign in Helmand might be gaining traction, Afghan support for the troops had been damaged by civilian casualties and ‘cultural insensitivity’, and there was no evidence the war on drugs had reduced poppy cultivation.

A weak, corrupt police force was driving Afghans back to the Taliban to seek justice, it argued, while cultural assumptions about women were barely changed.

The Observer said Whitehall was braced for the publication this month of a review of the Afghanistan campaign by General Stanley McChrystal, commander of US forces there, which was expected to trigger a fresh debate over troop numbers. Some MPs believed parliament might even be recalled from recess to debate Afghanistan.

The Foreign Office admitted on Saturday night that the insurgent threat in Helmand was ‘greater than anticipated’, but said the aim of denying Al Qaeda a safe haven remained unchanged.

The committee suggested that Whitehall was distracted by Iraq during its planning, made wrong assumptions about Afghan expectations and gave unclear direction to the armed forces. It noted that ‘most analysts believe the initial UK strategy failed primarily because of a lack of manpower and a poor understanding of the local situation’.

Meanwhile, a memo from Major Brian Dupree leaked to the newspaper showed that Britain’s war effort in Afghanistan was being hindered by a number of frontline troops ‘too fat to fight’.

The Ministry of Defence confirmed that it had directed military chiefs to ensure units were following army fitness policy after concerns were raised over a ‘worrying trend of obesity’.

DAWN.COM | World | UK faces more threat from Pakistan than Helmand
 
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By Our Special Correspondent
Monday, 03 Aug, 2009

LONDON: A House of Commons report published on Sunday concluded that the UK faced more threat from inside Pakistan than from Afghanistan’s Helmand province where, the report asserted, British soldiers were sent on ‘an ill-defined mission undermined by unrealistic planning and lack of manpower’.

The Labour-chaired Commons foreign affairs select committee report raises the alarming spectre of Al Qaeda, ‘which has shifted its focus into Pakistan’.

Professor Shaun Gregory, an expert on Pakistan at Bradford University, told the committee that a direct attack on Pakistan’s nuclear weapons infrastructure could not be ruled out.:disagree:

According to the Observer, MPs concluded that there was now a ‘strong argument to be made’ that the Afghan insurgency was no longer an immediate threat to Britain, adding: ‘That threat in the form of Al Qaeda and international terrorism can be said more properly to emanate from Pakistan’.

The report concluded that, while the military campaign in Helmand might be gaining traction, Afghan support for the troops had been damaged by civilian casualties and ‘cultural insensitivity’, and there was no evidence the war on drugs had reduced poppy cultivation.

A weak, corrupt police force was driving Afghans back to the Taliban to seek justice, it argued, while cultural assumptions about women were barely changed.

The Observer said Whitehall was braced for the publication this month of a review of the Afghanistan campaign by General Stanley McChrystal, commander of US forces there, which was expected to trigger a fresh debate over troop numbers. Some MPs believed parliament might even be recalled from recess to debate Afghanistan.

The Foreign Office admitted on Saturday night that the insurgent threat in Helmand was ‘greater than anticipated’, but said the aim of denying Al Qaeda a safe haven remained unchanged.

The committee suggested that Whitehall was distracted by Iraq during its planning, made wrong assumptions about Afghan expectations and gave unclear direction to the armed forces. It noted that ‘most analysts believe the initial UK strategy failed primarily because of a lack of manpower and a poor understanding of the local situation’.

Meanwhile, a memo from Major Brian Dupree leaked to the newspaper showed that Britain’s war effort in Afghanistan was being hindered by a number of frontline troops ‘too fat to fight’.

The Ministry of Defence confirmed that it had directed military chiefs to ensure units were following army fitness policy after concerns were raised over a ‘worrying trend of obesity’.

DAWN.COM | World | UK faces more threat from Pakistan than Helmand

Now why would England do something so brazen AND stupid as directly attacking Pakistan? Has the long winters and dreary weather gone to their heads? England is just adding fuel to the fire, they aren't helping. :disagree:
 
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Now why would England do something so brazen AND stupid as directly attacking Pakistan? Has the long winters and dreary weather gone to their heads? England is just adding fuel to the fire, they aren't helping. :disagree:

I think you misread; it says alqaeda could attack our installations.

These people need to cut down their hollywood movies and get out of their fantasies :crazy: It's like we've got our nuclear installations with no body protecting it and a free for all thingie...
 
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Hi,

On the same note, pakistan faces more of a threat from radical britishers being recruited in britain openly by the fundamentalists---right under the auspices of britain----the young men are recruited---brain washed---radicalized openly in britain and then sent to pakistan.

Even though their ethnicity is of the pakistani origin---but for all practical puroses, they are british citizens---who are coming to pakistan and going to the law less areas---these terror camps are openly being operated in britain by the radicals---Chaudhry and Bakri had been openly spreading their message of hate and terror amongst the young muslim community----britain can't stop the recruitment at that phase---but wants to put the blame on everything at pakistan.

Britain----these are your boys---these are your children---maybe from a different mother---but they are yours now---stop the trrorist recruitment in your home first.
 
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But I think they face more threat from their falling economy.
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The Last Gasps of the British Empire | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com
Published Aug 1, 2009
Forget The Great In Britain
Its fall was inevitable, but the economic crisis will shrink the last pretenses of empire faster than anyone expected.


Even in the decades after it lost its empire, Britain strode the world like a pocket superpower. Its economic strength and cultural heft, its nuclear-backed military might, its extraordinary relationship with America—all these things helped this small island nation to punch well above its weight class. Now all that is changing as the bills come due on Britain's role in last year's financial meltdown, the rescue of the banks, and the ensuing recession. Suddenly, the sun that once never set on the British Empire is casting long shadows over what's left of Britain's imperial ambitions, and the country is having to rethink its role in the world—perhaps as Little Britain, certainly as a lesser Britain.
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The Last Gasps of the British Empire | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com
 
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The Knights do have a code. But theres no Dragon in Pakistan. I think these people want to include Pakistan among North Korea snd Iran .Like they are frustated of this Pakistan Programe .
 
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"...for all practical puroses, they are british citizens..."

No law against doing "jihad". Just depends on whom and from where. Making war against the Brits. No good.

Pakistan? Don't get caught as we don't want to know.

No worries, though. Most travel that far to fight the British army or ISAF/America. Pakistan's problems are home-grown talent aided by gulf-state cash and afghan dope.

We're trying to do something about the dope. Can't say what's possible with that Gulf state cash. Home-grown talent is what it is- a product of 20,000 plus madrassahs with messages every bit as bad as what those Brits hear and one hell of a lot closer to the action.
 
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I think you misread; it says alqaeda could attack our installations.

These people need to cut down their hollywood movies and get out of their fantasies :crazy: It's like we've got our nuclear installations with no body protecting it and a free for all thingie...

Friend and comrade, no I didn't "misread" at all. :agree: When people say "alqaeda" it means the same as "a-cia". :agree: You will recall the 'suicide bombings' in Iraq during the early years were largely carried out by British, American, "coation" forces, Israel/MOSSAD --- with one particular event when 2 British soldiers were caught in the act dressed up as fake Muslims-Iraqis driving a truck full of explosives. They were imprisoned by Iraqi police, and subsequently the jail was ATTACKED AND DESTROYED by USA FORCES WHOM "FREED" THESE 2 British Terrorists.

So you see my good friend, I have NOT misread at all. :agree: You are in desperate need of a contingency plan to deal with these type of stuff. :guns:
 
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I think the solution could be like " Stoping them from reaching Pakistan " . Stop them in Britin . But wait , they could have done this but why they are letting the young lads to travell to Pakistan and then Do Jehad .

Muslim Population Controll Regulatory Act .(Not the best i could have thought of)
 
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We're trying to do something about the dope. Can't say what's possible with that Gulf state cash. Home-grown talent is what it is- a product of 20,000 plus madrassahs with messages every bit as bad as what those Brits hear and one hell of a lot closer to the action.

First of all a very small faction of the 20,000 madarsahs are involved ... Secondly, war on Iraq helped those people ... our problem is that no one scrutinize Afghanistan govt. or the ISAF etc for the dope issues and there is no accountability for George Bush either in the US system so why everone feels free to blame Pakistan?

Just as you have your issues, we have our shares of problem too and finger pointing will not get thngs reolved.
 
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