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UAE Surrenders in Yemen: UAE to Withdraw From Anti-Houthi Military Operations in Yemen

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Alqaeda in yemen has grown thousand fold due to space given to them by this conflict. They will emerge stronger than ever after saudis draw out. They will eat houthis raw once they shift their attention towards them. This conflict will now stay there for decades. Even houthis will not be able to form a government.

That was the ultimate goal there. US involved saudis in Yemen then left them hanging dry. Saudis had facy toys so they thought it will be over in a month but they lost miserably. GCC nation have become lazy due to their luxurious life style. They have no vision for a long term future and just want short term gain.
Al-Qaeda fighters have already confronted the Houthis in places like Taiz and Ma'rib and lost miserably. They stand no chance against the Houthis and northerners. They can't even beat the southerners, let alone the northerners.

Al-Qaeda and ISIS will create chaos in Yemen, but they won't have real success.

The Americans dragged the Gulf Arabs into this war in order to fragment Yemen. Yemen's already de facto fragmented, so it's mission accomplished as far as Uncle Sam is concerned.

The losers are the Middle Easterners who foolishly allowed the Americans and Israelis to use sectarian and ethnic differences to play them off against one another.
 
@Kuwaiti Girl

Just an advice to you and everybody else. Relying on civilian "Twitter personalities" is a bad thing to do as most of them are mere "analysts" like you, me and everyone else on the internet who voices his or her opinion. If you take a look at the sources that you have used they are contradicting each other and it's fair to say that they both tweet a lot of nonsense to put it mildly. A visit to their profiles should be enough.

This news has not been officially confirmed yet and even if it will be, UAE will continue to play a role in Yemen. As will every GCC state in particular due to the simple fact that events in Yemen and anywhere else on the Arabian Peninsula as a whole are often interlinked. Albeit Yemen has been more isolated in this regard.

We have discussed this conflict in depth in the Yemen thread and we both reached a similar verdict.

Anyway this will not change the fundamentals of the core issues in Yemen at all. Even if KSA ended its campaign in 10 minutes nothing would change. Yemen will continue to be an highly unstable country (sad to say a failed country) just like for the past many decades. Yemenis are the greatest enemies of Yemenis. Whatever happens it is certain that the various parties in Yemen will continue to fight each other. KSA will as usual be perfectly fine and in fact make a good income of the instability (cheap Yemeni labour etc.). KSA was hardly impacted by events in Yemen when the trouble was much bigger in the past. Likewise nothing happened when Yemen was divided into 2 countries.

Outsiders has this idea of Yemen suddenly becoming unstable 2 years ago. I have news for those people, Yemen has faced much, much bloodier wars and conflicts for the past 50 years and the country has practically been ungoverned for well, since forever.

Anyway the current situation is not ideal but I doubt that we can say that about any region of the MENA. You say that Israel is the winner and I don't disagree but it's a pathetic "winner" if you compare it to winners elsewhere in the world. Israel is only in a good position because countries like Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya etc. are in a worse condition. I doubt that any developed country in the West for instance would change places with Israel.

hauthis seem to be very good fighters.. they survived saudi onslaught... time for both sides to sit down and do a deal.. may be involve UN or some other observer.

The bulk of the anti-government forces is made up by the Yemeni army loyal to the former Yemeni dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh and allied tribes. Not the Houthi's or allied tribes. Those two parties were sworn enemies for 2 decades (since the foundation of the Houthi' group in the 1994) and have very different visions for the future of Yemen. Their current "alliance" is an alliance of convenience and nothing more.

In general Western media and outsiders (non-Arabs) have no clue about the Yemeni conflict and its enormous complexity. Hence why only Arabs on PDF have been able to discuss this conflict in detail.

Lastly all guerrilla forces, especially when fighting on home turf, are in a very good position to survive any attack or extended war. Case in point being the current Syrian opposition (who face 100 times harsher odds), the Iraqi resistance during the most recent Iraq War, Taliban in Afghanistan, Vietcong and literally 100's of other recent and past examples.

Anyway yes, Yemenis, just like all Arabians and Arabs, have historically been fierce fighters (Arab military history in general speaks for itself only Westerners (a select few even) can compare if measured on number of empires, size of territory controlled, influence, extend of influence and reach etc.) which any invader of Yemen from the ancient Greeks and Romans to more recent interventions can attest to. The reasons for this are many but mostly geography, a warlike culture, fierce tribalism (not rivaled anywhere in the Arab world), abundance of weapons past and present and the culture. One has just to look at how traditional villages and cities were built in Yemen. Such architecture and habit of building villages and towns not in the valleys but at the summits of mountains is seen nowhere in the world to this extent.

As for the numerous trolls in this thread, well that's to be expected of ignorant people. I especially like the comments about "Arabs" as if everyone fighting in Yemen was not an Arab, lol. A bit rich considering the modern military history of the posters's homeland/ancestral land. Let alone past one which is in an entirely different galaxy when compared to the Arab one. Saying more in this regard should not be necessary. Nor has this conflict anything to do with Iran. The "Arab" Mullah's in Iran play no role in Yemen whatsoever.

Lastly I predicted, even before the current war began and as soon as the Saleh/Houthi's started their campaign in Yemen, that regardless of what happens and regardless of interventions whether from the outside or inside, no single party will be able to control all of Yemen or become so strong that this party would gain hegemony.

Anyway from KSA's viewpoint all the strategic areas of Yemen have been conquered. Whether vital ports, the areas that contain almost all of Yemen's oil and gas or the economic heart of Yemen (Aden). As far as I am concerned, Houthi's are not a military threat for KSA and will likely never be and the part of Yemen (20% of Yemen's territory) that they and Saleh control is neither rich in anything but heavily populated and prone to infighting. I would, if I was King Salman, continue to seal the border and focus on the South. I also don't understand the opposition to Yemen dividing into 2 parts as once before. An inpdendent Southern Yemen would be a weak country, just like Northern Yemen, and by default South Yemen would be at the mercy of KSA. In fact a Southern Yemen could very well join KSA in a personal union or as a federal republic with widespread autonomy. Such a thing would benefit Southern Yemen tremendously.

Anyway this is a period of chaos for the region and for it to become better it must first become worse. Eventually all parties will learn from their mistakes and grow up not only for the sake of themselves but the region that they all inhabit. If it was up to me Arabia should become one entity. The current setup is moronic in many ways. That's for another long discussion.
 
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Al-Qaeda fighters have already confronted the Houthis in places like Taiz and Ma'rib and lost miserably. They stand no chance against the Houthis and northerners. They can't even beat the southerners, let alone the northerners.

They have no presence in either, they control eastern coastal villages. Which probably could be taken rather quickly, but the coalition needs to strike deal with tribes first. I doubt AQAP can hold it's ground, does not have sufficient numbers or resources.
 
The Emirati road map for Yemen was more realistic, in my opinion.

Nobody likes Hadi. Even the southerners don't like him.

Also, the Saudis should be very careful about the Muslim Brotherhood. These guys are closer to Qatar and Turkey than to KSA and, once given the opportunity, will turn their backs on Saudi Arabia.

Labeling the whole MB as a terrorist group was a huge mistake and that happened during King Abdullah era رحمة الله عليه.
Yeah it has suspicious actions in Arab world but they got no serious threat to GCC countries especially Saudi Arabia. The only country that was very sensitive about MB is UAE. We should determine our priority carefully instead of fighting such an organization that has nothing serious to do at least currently in the Arabian gulf countries.
 
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Labeling the whole MB as a terrorist group was a huge mistake and that happened during King Abdullah era رحمة الله عليه.
Yeah it has a suspicious actions in Arab world but they got no serious threat to GCC countries especially Saudi Arabia. The only country that was very sensitive about MB is UAE. We should determine our priority carefully instead of fighting such an organization that has nothing serious to do at least currently in the Arabian gulf countries.


Muslim Brotherhood is illegal in Egypt following the 2013 Sisi coup. If GCC is to have good relation with Egypt, GCC must have Muslim Brotherhood as illegal.
 
The houthis are terrorists, destroy their lives SA let them live in caves, let their children eat rocks:tup:

And you wonder why people who share your ideology join ISIS? Here's why. I see an ISIS mentality here and an enormous potential to join such violent groups.

I see same fate of Saudis and Iran. Both will loose miserably and some terorist coalition will take ove yemen. These two nations will be the most pathetic losers ever to exist.

Show me one single Iranian in Yemen and then we will talk. We are not Pakistan of 80s and 90s, we won't risk our own security to support monsters like Taliban, only to let them come back and haunt us. ;)
 
does UAE even have enough forces to take part and it unlikely that they are trained by the Ammerican army or marines
 
Alqaeda in yemen has grown thousand fold due to space given to them by this conflict. They will emerge stronger than ever after saudis draw out. They will eat houthis raw once they shift their attention towards them. This conflict will now stay there for decades. Even houthis will not be able to form a government.

That was the ultimate goal there. US involved saudis in Yemen then left them hanging dry. Saudis had facy toys so they thought it will be over in a month but they lost miserably. GCC nation have become lazy due to their luxurious life style. They have no vision for a long term future and just want short term gain.
That's ironic, because before the war in Yemen, Houthis were literally crushing AQ in every single incident they confronted them. They kicked AQ from central Yemen and killed too many of them. Again ironically, AQ started to advance very fast in Yemen when their ideological mother (Saudi Arabia) started war on Yemen.
 
And you wonder why people who share your ideology join ISIS? Here's why. I see an ISIS mentality here and an enormous potential to join such violent groups.



Show me one single Iranian in Yemen and then we will talk. We are not Pakistan of 80s and 90s, we won't risk our own security to support monsters like Taliban, only to let them come back and haunt us. ;)

Speaking of Taliban, Iran is arming and helping Taliban in Afghanistan as we speak right now. Instead of supporting Taliban-like group, Iran prefers to support the original one. The most hypocrite state in the world is Iran.

Iran teams with Taliban to fight Islamic State in Afghanistan
 
Labeling the whole MB as a terrorist group was a huge mistake and that happened during King Abdullah era رحمة الله عليه.
Yeah it has a suspicious actions in Arab world but they got no serious threat to GCC countries especially Saudi Arabia. The only country that was very sensitive about MB is UAE. We should determine our priority carefully instead of fighting such an organization that has nothing serious to do at least currently in the Arabian gulf countries.

The MB is an indigenous Egyptian political organization at its core. However nowadays it has numerous branches outside of Egypt in both Arab and non-Arab countries. Which has been the case for quite some time. In fact decades.
Those various branches outside of Egypt have in many ways vastly differently agendas and policies than the original Egyptian branch which itself is divided into many subbranches nowadays and which has little resemblance to how Sayyid Qutb would envision the movement to look like in a perfect world. Because that was what the MB initially was. A movement against Western influence. Later it turned into a political movement.

Basically what the MB is nowadays, at least in the Arab world, is a counter, an "Islamic" one (I do not consider any single state actor, group or political movement to be truly Islamic hence my use of quotation marks) to the Arab states (monarchies) who consider themselves to be "Islamic" states.

The MB does not control its heartland and the most populous Arab nation (Egypt) and likely never will. Hence their project is doomed to fail. In fact they currently do not control a single Arab nation.

King Abdullah (May Allah (swt) bless his soul and forgive his sins) like any ruler in the Muslim world, especially in the Arab world due to the "Arab Spring", was first and foremost mostly concerned about keeping power within the family. Which party that was convenient to support at any given moment was irrelevant as long as the end goal was met. This is how ALL MENA regimes operate. Hence, until the people reach power and masses, we shall not expect too grand visions, I am afraid.

So look at the wider picture here. One of the biggest problems that practically all regimes of the region face and for that matter the Muslim world as a whole, is that regime policies change overnight depending on the circumstances. This often makes an already messy situation even messier. We have 100's of examples that show this. This is because all the various regimes mostly govern by fear and mostly are concerned about staying in power. If the Arab nations really wanted to topple Assad for instance they would have done that long ago.

Don't expect anything from the current Muslim rulers. Love your country, land and people instead and support what is best for them at any given moment regardless of the official policies. Rulers come and go. There have been 1000's different dynasties in the Arab world since the first civilizations in the world appeared in our part of the world. We are like idiots who are wasting our times on events that we cannot influence and hoping for miracles when the entire setup and fundament is broken. We have to fix the fundament first to see any coherent and long-standing results that would be considered sane and appropriate for the region as a whole.

That's ironic, because before the war in Yemen, Houthis were literally crushing AQ in every single incident they confronted them. They kicked AQ from central Yemen and killed too many of them. Again ironically, AQ started to advance very fast in Yemen when their ideological mother (Saudi Arabia) started war on Yemen.

Absolute nonsense. AQAP were as "strong" as they have always been in Yemen. Nor are they a threat in any shape or form. They have negligible local support in Southern Yemen where most people are Shafi's and where there is a VERY strong Sufi tradition. Many of their fighters are foreigners. Not long ago I saw a propaganda video of theirs where all the main executioners were Westerners. One spoke Dutch too.

Anyway Yemen is basically the historical heartland of AQ in the MENA region. They had a visible presence when the Houthi's were merely a family firm in Sa'adah province. Also what has happened in parts of Southern Yemen is precisely what happened in Western and Northern Iraq due to a nearby civil war in Syria that had a direct impact on those parts of Iraq. However the problem of ISIS in Syria and Iraq is numerous times bigger than in Yemen and likewise the territory that ISIS controls in those 2 countries.

Nor were it the Saleh/Houthi fraction who mainly fought them but local Southern Yemeni tribes. Besides AQAP in Yemen does not have more than 4000 members. This is nothing. Clans in Yemen have more members.
 
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Speaking of Taliban, Iran is arming and helping Taliban in Afghanistan as we speak right now. Instead of supporting Taliban-like group, Iran prefers to support the original one. The most hypocrite state in the world is Iran.

Iran teams with Taliban to fight Islamic State in Afghanistan

Unlike Saudi and Pakistan support for Taliban, you don't have a single proof for this nonsense. If we are to go with Western outlets and accept whatever they say, then Saudi regime is directly responsible for 9/11 and is also supporting ISIS.
 
Unlike Saudi and Pakistan support for Taliban, you don't have a single proopf for this nonsense. If we are to go with Western outlets and accept whatever they say, then Saudi regime is directly responsible for 9/11 and is also supporting ISIS.

KSA's support for Taliban was almost non-existent and is currently non-existent. KSA has no main interest in Afghanistan at all and never had (like every other Arab country) until the US decided to engage the USSR when the latter invaded Afghanistan. Since KSA was in the "American camp" during the Cold War, just like Pakistan, it joined hands in that conflict. The Pakistani establishment played a much greater role and continues to do so for obvious reasons. One being geography and another common interests.

Anyway Taliban is a local Pashtun movement. Most of their ideology is based upon Pashtunwali. Pakistan under Zia was its main beneficiary. KSA's role was and is negligent. KSA gave financial support, as did Iran BTW and almost every single Muslim and Western country that was capable of it, to the Mujahideen (The Taliban movement if I recall did not exist back then) and private Saudi Arabians, just like Muslims from all corners of the world, joined the fighting. The locals did not need any excuse to resist the invaders either as any people would have resisted in such a situation. Nor were they ignorant about the notion of Jihad. Nor was Afghanistan in any way or shape a "liberal paradise". Never was and surely is not today.

Anyway I am of the opinion, and I have voiced this many times, that KSA should never have interfered in Afghanistan at all as this was never our conflict or an Arab conflict for that matter. However KSA was quite clearly pressured to join by the US. The Afghan-Soviet war and its legacy (including the people who joined) have given nothing to KSA but trouble. Anyway this is history. Pakistan made mistakes in this regard and more than anything Afghans did the same. Hence why there country has been unstable since forever.

No, but you supported and continue to support the Northern Alliance who are just another Taliban with slightly different slogans. We are talking about the difference between ISIS and Al-Nusra here.

Anyway none of this has anything to do with Yemen which I thought we were discussing in this thread.
 
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Exactly... All the idiots have Yemeni blood on their hands !

Even those sudani idiots...

As i said so many times before , idiots gonna pay for this...
That includes Iran also ...Now don't go voila please ...accept the truth !
 
The UAE should have never gotten itself involved in this mess in the first place. Kuwait and Oman were wise for staying out of this war. The UAE, on the other hand, was anything but wise! Had the Emiratis been wise, they would have avoided the Yemen war from the very beginning!

The Emiratis have acted foolishly during this war. Although they had relative success in the southern parts of Yemen, the Emiratis arrogantly thought that they could go all the way to Sana'a. In fact, that's what the Emirati rulers said they were going to do. They made it explicitly clear to everyone that their goal was to liberate all of Yemen, particularly the capital Sana'a, from Houthi control, and then raise the Emirati flag in the Yemeni capital. They did none of that!

Simply put, the UAE failed to achieve its stated goals of capturing the Yemeni capital, decisively defeating the Houthis, and raising the Emirati flag in Sana'a.

They lost. Game over.
Pakistan got a lot of back lash for not getting involved, but history has shown that Pakistan was right to consider Yemen a lost cause.
 
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