UAE, Bahrain condemn abduction of Israeli civilians by Hamas

[A.P. Richelieu]

It's for Israel to prove it has military value. You can't shriek about the principle of "Innocent until proven guilty" then allow Israelis to bomb civilian buildings and infrastructure like hospitals and schools en-masse without proving they are legitimate military targets.

That is how courts work.

What's the point here? Is your objective to prove that Israel wasn't initially responsible? Israel has been violating international law long before with it's illegal settlements and targeting of protected civilian infrastructure.

Israel has not been convicted in any international courts for these things.
Accusations are cheap.
Some settlers have been convicted in Israeli courts for building illegal settlements.

How? For pointing out Israel has been violating international law?

For ignoring the multiple violations of international law committed by Hamas.

 

[hatehs]

That is how courts work.

Yes, this also applies to Israel. Like I said, they need to prove every hospital they bomb was a legitimate military target. We can't continue pretending they're being responsible and trust their claims of omnipresent Hamas units stationed everywhere. They've lost that goodwill with lies about 40 beheaded children and the staging of crime scenes.

Israel has not been convicted in any international courts for these things.

Shoddy logic. That doesn't mean that a crime hasn't been committed. Hamas hasn't been convicted in international courts either. Try again.

Some settlers have been convicted in Israeli courts for building illegal settlements.

And? Have illegal settlements stopped? Yes? No?

For ignoring the multiple violations of international law committed by Hamas.

How? Where?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Yes, this also applies to Israel. Like I said, they need to prove every hospital they bomb was a legitimate military target. We can't continue pretending they're being responsible and trust their claims of omnipresent Hamas units stationed everywhere. They've lost that goodwill with lies about 40 beheaded children and the staging of crime scenes.

You mean ”You can’t”…
Noone needs to prove anything until there is a court and an investigation.
Israel demonstrates over and over again that they are responsible by informing in advance of actions that may harm civilians.
Bombing a hospital is legal only if it is being used for military purposes, which continues after warning has been given and ample time has passed.
To count as a hospital for this rule, it needs to be clearly marked.
Hamas is responsible for not using ground close to a hospital for military use. If they, like they have done before setup,mortar teams within meters of a protected facility, they are responsible for collateral damage occuring in the protected area.
There is a lot to prove before You can call it a war crime.

Shoddy logic. That doesn't mean that a crime hasn't been committed. Hamas hasn't been convicted in international courts either. Try again.

Hamas war crimes are open for everyone to see.
You are claiming that Israel build illegal settlements.
Illegal according to the Geneva Conventions, which were not applicable
to the Palestinians until they signed it.
Most settlements were built before that.
Israel claims it is disputed land, not occupied land.
On top of that the Ottoman land law.
There is a large number of issues that needs to be legally resolved.

And? Have illegal settlements stopped? Yes? No?

Those that are illegal according to the Ottoman land law are being stopped, yes.
Those that are ”illegal”, because You say so, has not been stopped.

How? Where?

Is this supposed to be taken seriously?

 

[hatehs]

You mean ”You can’t”…

If you're ready to buy completely false accusations of 40 beheaded children, then go ahead. Everyone else has become skeptical of Israel's claims - this is why the media has started walking back on the propaganda coming out of the mouths of IDF spokesmen.

Israel demonstrates over and over again that they are responsible by informing in advance of actions that may harm civilians.

This does not indicate responsibility. Hamas has done the exact same thing by issuing notifications to Israeli settlers.

Bombing a hospital is legal only if it is being used for military purposes, which continues after warning has been given and ample time has passed.

Ok? And how do you know those hospitals were being used for military purposes? We come back to the same root of the problem, and once again, we're expected to accept the IDF narrative wholesale despite the numerous occasions they've lied through their teeth.

There is a lot to prove before You can call it a war crime.

No there isn't. Israel needs to prove every hospital they bomb is a legitimate military target first.

Hamas war crimes are open for everyone to see.

So are Israeli.

Illegal according to the Geneva Conventions, which were not applicable
to the Palestinians until they signed it.

So....still illegal?

Those that are illegal according to the Ottoman land law are being stopped, yes.
Those that are ”illegal”, because You say so, has not been stopped.

So you're saying those that are illegal under international law and have been condemned as illegal by international bodies like the UN are not being stopped. "You say so" - lmao give me a break. Please engage with honesty here.

Is this supposed to be taken seriously?

Yes.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

If you're ready to buy completely false accusations of 40 beheaded children, then go ahead. Everyone else has become skeptical of Israel's claims - this is why the media has started walking back on the propaganda coming out of the mouths of IDF spokesmen.

The Israeli claim is that 40 children was killed, some beheaded.
The claim of 40 beheaded children is a result of rumour spreading on Twitter.
Media has stated that they are not able to confirm that any were beheaded.
I doubt that You have any inside information that can prove or disprove the story.

This does not indicate responsibility. Hamas has done the exact same thing by issuing notifications to Israeli settlers.

To warn of legal military action is not the same to warn of illegal military action aka indiscriminately firing missiles on population centers,

Ok? And how do you know those hospitals were being used for military purposes? We come back to the same root of the problem, and once again, we're expected to accept the IDF narrative wholesale despite the numerous occasions they've lied through their teeth.

No, you are not expected to accept the IDF narrative, You are expected to show that you suspect war crimes and demand an investigation. Then await the result of the investigation. If that is performed in a professional way that would hold in court, then you may state publicly that it looks like war crimes have been committed. What you are expected not to do is to throw out accusations of war crimes without any evidence.

No there isn't. Israel needs to prove every hospital they bomb is a legitimate military target first.

So are Israeli.

So....still illegal?

The Geneva Convention is only applicable between parties that has signed the comvention, It is a principle that laws have to be valid when you commit an act.
Any settlements started before the Palestinian signed the conventions is therefore not illegal.
Then you have the Ottoman Land Law which is still valid. I.E: you cannot really own land, and if you do not use land, you can lose possession.
Finally, the West Bank and Gaza is disputed land and not occupied land.

You can argue that the legal situation results in an injustice and I would agree with You. The behaviour of Palestinians and their long-term goal makes this injustice minor.

Palestinians are publicly stating that killing and deportation is their final goal.

So you're saying those that are illegal under international law and have been condemned as illegal by international bodies like the UN are not being stopped. "You say so" - lmao give me a break. Please engage with honesty here.

No, I am saying that the legal situation is complex. Many people tend to ignore the complexity and take a biased view.

Yes.

Think again…

 

[Bengal71]

Not saying that I believe in the concept of "an eye for an eye".

But Jewish settlers (Kibbutzim) are an aggressive militant people, armed to the teeth. Armed by Israel Govt. at the Kibbutzim's request. These people went in knowing full well that they are stealing the lands and livelihood of legit people living in their legit-owned land. It's white neo-colonialism all over again.

Just like how they removed native Americans from their settled lands so white settlers could settle in their newly 'discovered' lands. In some cases whites gave the smallpox infected blankets to wipe out Native American populace in North America. The Kibbutzim are doing much worse.

They have routinely murdered Palestinians (yes older people, children and women as well) in the process of illegally occupying Palestinian land.

Nothing justifies any murder of non-combatants on any side.

Before commenting one should be informed on all facts. Hoosh-se baat karna chahiye.



Bzzzztttt - wrong!

"Minimizing civilian casualties" is just propaganda - more like "Kill 'em all - let God sort them out"

Civilians getting killed in Gaza is just collateral damage to Israeli Army.

If you bomb Gaza from 15,000 feet up - do you think you can sift civilians from military targets?

Israeli Army and Air Force just don't care anymore.

They are hardly aggressive and militant. They were slaughtered like sheep in Europe in the WWII. They only act violent and tough because they are propped up and backed up by the USA and it's allies. They know nothing can touch them, anything going haywire, US will come to rescue. If there is no US, they will be overrun by the Muslims rapidly.