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US, Philippines reportedly reach 10-year deal on larger military presence
Published April 27, 2014
Associated Press


Oct. 9, 2012: In this file photo, U.S. Marines fix their tents as they arrive at Crow Valley, Tarlac province in northern Philippines, to take part in the joint U.S.-Philippines amphibious landing exercise, dubbed PHIBLEX 2013.AP

MANILA, Philippines – The United States and the Philippines have reached a 10-year agreement that would allow a larger U.S. military presence in this Southeast Asian nation as it grapples with increasingly tense territorial disputes with China, White House officials said Sunday.

Two Philippine officials confirmed the agreement to The Associated Press before the White House announcement.

The Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement would give American forces temporary access to selected military camps and allow them to preposition fighter jets and ships. It will be signed Monday at the main military camp in the Philippine capital, Manila, before President Barack Obama arrives on the last leg of a four-country Asian tour, following earlier stops in Japan, South Korea and Malaysia.

A Philippine government primer on the defense accord that was seen by the AP did not indicate how many additional U.S. troops would be deployed "on temporary and rotational basis," but it said that the number would depend on the scale of joint military activities to be held in Philippine camps.

The size and duration of that presence still has to be worked out with the Philippine government, said Evan Medeiros, senior director for Asian affairs at the White House's National Security Council.

Medeiros declined to say which specific areas in the Philippines are being considered under the agreement, but said the long-shuttered U.S. facility at Subic Bay could be one of the locations.

The two Philippine officials spoke with the AP on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss details of the pact before it is signed.

The defense accord is a new milestone in the longtime treaty allies' relationship and would help address their respective dilemmas. With its anemic military, the Philippines has struggled to bolster its territorial defense amid China's increasingly assertive behavior in the disputed South China Sea. Manila's effort has dovetailed with Washington's intention to pivot away from years of heavy military engagement in the Middle East to Asia, partly as a counterweight to China's rising clout.

"The Philippines' immediate and urgent motivation is to strengthen itself and look for a security shield with its pitiful military," Manila-based political analyst Ramon Casiple said. "The U.S. is looking for a re-entry to Asia, where its superpower status has been put in doubt."

The convergence would work to deter China's increasingly assertive stance in disputed territories, Casiple said. But it could also further antagonize Beijing, which sees such tactical alliance as a U.S. strategy to contain its rise, and encourage China to intensify its massive military buildup, he said.

Hundreds of American military personnel have already been deployed in the southern Philippines since 2002 to provide counterterrorism training and to serve as advisers to Filipino soldiers, who have been battling Muslim militants for decades.

The agreement states that the U.S. would "not establish a permanent military presence or base in the Philippines" in compliance with Manila's constitution. A Filipino base commander would have access to entire areas to be shared with American forces, according to the primer.

There will be "utmost respect for Philippine sovereignty," it said.

Disagreements over Philippine access to designated U.S. areas within local camps had hampered the negotiations for the agreement last year.

The agreement would promote better coordination between U.S. and Filipino forces, boost the 120,000-strong Philippine military's capability to monitor and secure the country's territory and respond more rapidly to natural disasters and other emergencies.

"Pre-positioned materiel will allow for timely responses in the event of disasters -- natural or otherwise," the primer said.

While the U.S. military would not be required to pay rent for local camp areas, the Philippines would own buildings and infrastructure to be built or improved by the Americans and reap economic gains from the U.S. presence, it said, adding the pact was an executive agreement that would not need to be ratified by the Philippine Senate.

The presence of foreign troops is a sensitive issue in the Philippines, a former American colony.

Left-wing activists have protested against Obama's visit and the new defense pact in small but lively demonstrations, saying that the agreement reverses democratic gains achieved when huge U.S. military bases were shut down in the early 1990s, ending nearly a century of American military presence in the Philippines.

The Philippine Senate voted in 1991 to close down U.S. bases at Subic and Clark, northwest of Manila. However, it ratified a pact with the United States allowing temporary visits by American forces in 1999, four years after China seized a reef the Philippines contests.

Following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, hundreds of U.S. forces descended in the southern Philippines under that accord to hold counterterrorism exercises with Filipino troops fighting Muslim militants.

This time, the focus of the Philippines and its underfunded military has increasingly turned to external threats as territorial spats with China in the potentially oil- and gas-rich South China Sea heated up in recent years. The Philippines has turned to Washington, its longtime defense treaty ally, to help modernize its navy and air force, which are among Asia's weakest.

Chinese paramilitary ships took effective control of the disputed Scarborough Shoal, a rich fishing ground off the northwestern Philippines, in 2012. Last year, Chinese coast guard ships surrounded another contested offshore South China Sea territory, the Second Thomas Shoal, where they have been trying to block food supplies and rotation of Filipino marines aboard a grounded Philippine navy ship in the remote coral outcrops.

The dangerous standoff has alarmed Washington, which called China's actions provocative.

China has ignored Philippine diplomatic protests and Manila's move last year to challenge Beijing's expansive territorial claims in the South China Sea before an international arbitration tribunal. It has warned the U.S. to stay out of the Asian dispute.
 
US, Philippines reportedly reach 10-year deal on larger military presence
Published April 27, 2014
Associated Press


Oct. 9, 2012: In this file photo, U.S. Marines fix their tents as they arrive at Crow Valley, Tarlac province in northern Philippines, to take part in the joint U.S.-Philippines amphibious landing exercise, dubbed PHIBLEX 2013.AP

MANILA, Philippines – The United States and the Philippines have reached a 10-year agreement that would allow a larger U.S. military presence in this Southeast Asian nation as it grapples with increasingly tense territorial disputes with China, White House officials said Sunday.

Two Philippine officials confirmed the agreement to The Associated Press before the White House announcement.

The Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement would give American forces temporary access to selected military camps and allow them to preposition fighter jets and ships. It will be signed Monday at the main military camp in the Philippine capital, Manila, before President Barack Obama arrives on the last leg of a four-country Asian tour, following earlier stops in Japan, South Korea and Malaysia.

A Philippine government primer on the defense accord that was seen by the AP did not indicate how many additional U.S. troops would be deployed "on temporary and rotational basis," but it said that the number would depend on the scale of joint military activities to be held in Philippine camps.

The size and duration of that presence still has to be worked out with the Philippine government, said Evan Medeiros, senior director for Asian affairs at the White House's National Security Council.

Medeiros declined to say which specific areas in the Philippines are being considered under the agreement, but said the long-shuttered U.S. facility at Subic Bay could be one of the locations.

The two Philippine officials spoke with the AP on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss details of the pact before it is signed.

The defense accord is a new milestone in the longtime treaty allies' relationship and would help address their respective dilemmas. With its anemic military, the Philippines has struggled to bolster its territorial defense amid China's increasingly assertive behavior in the disputed South China Sea. Manila's effort has dovetailed with Washington's intention to pivot away from years of heavy military engagement in the Middle East to Asia, partly as a counterweight to China's rising clout.

"The Philippines' immediate and urgent motivation is to strengthen itself and look for a security shield with its pitiful military," Manila-based political analyst Ramon Casiple said. "The U.S. is looking for a re-entry to Asia, where its superpower status has been put in doubt."

The convergence would work to deter China's increasingly assertive stance in disputed territories, Casiple said. But it could also further antagonize Beijing, which sees such tactical alliance as a U.S. strategy to contain its rise, and encourage China to intensify its massive military buildup, he said.

Hundreds of American military personnel have already been deployed in the southern Philippines since 2002 to provide counterterrorism training and to serve as advisers to Filipino soldiers, who have been battling Muslim militants for decades.

The agreement states that the U.S. would "not establish a permanent military presence or base in the Philippines" in compliance with Manila's constitution. A Filipino base commander would have access to entire areas to be shared with American forces, according to the primer.

There will be "utmost respect for Philippine sovereignty," it said.

Disagreements over Philippine access to designated U.S. areas within local camps had hampered the negotiations for the agreement last year.

The agreement would promote better coordination between U.S. and Filipino forces, boost the 120,000-strong Philippine military's capability to monitor and secure the country's territory and respond more rapidly to natural disasters and other emergencies.

"Pre-positioned materiel will allow for timely responses in the event of disasters -- natural or otherwise," the primer said.

While the U.S. military would not be required to pay rent for local camp areas, the Philippines would own buildings and infrastructure to be built or improved by the Americans and reap economic gains from the U.S. presence, it said, adding the pact was an executive agreement that would not need to be ratified by the Philippine Senate.

The presence of foreign troops is a sensitive issue in the Philippines, a former American colony.

Left-wing activists have protested against Obama's visit and the new defense pact in small but lively demonstrations, saying that the agreement reverses democratic gains achieved when huge U.S. military bases were shut down in the early 1990s, ending nearly a century of American military presence in the Philippines.

The Philippine Senate voted in 1991 to close down U.S. bases at Subic and Clark, northwest of Manila. However, it ratified a pact with the United States allowing temporary visits by American forces in 1999, four years after China seized a reef the Philippines contests.

Following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, hundreds of U.S. forces descended in the southern Philippines under that accord to hold counterterrorism exercises with Filipino troops fighting Muslim militants.

This time, the focus of the Philippines and its underfunded military has increasingly turned to external threats as territorial spats with China in the potentially oil- and gas-rich South China Sea heated up in recent years. The Philippines has turned to Washington, its longtime defense treaty ally, to help modernize its navy and air force, which are among Asia's weakest.

Chinese paramilitary ships took effective control of the disputed Scarborough Shoal, a rich fishing ground off the northwestern Philippines, in 2012. Last year, Chinese coast guard ships surrounded another contested offshore South China Sea territory, the Second Thomas Shoal, where they have been trying to block food supplies and rotation of Filipino marines aboard a grounded Philippine navy ship in the remote coral outcrops.

The dangerous standoff has alarmed Washington, which called China's actions provocative.

China has ignored Philippine diplomatic protests and Manila's move last year to challenge Beijing's expansive territorial claims in the South China Sea before an international arbitration tribunal. It has warned the U.S. to stay out of the Asian dispute.


what is the use ... after US let China engulf Scarborough shoal and Thomas shoal quietly ?

It was after US mediation basically Philippines had withdrawn ...and China had free hand to spread wide through this particular region ?


I feel it's too late ...too little ...
 
what is the use ... after US let China engulf Scarborough shoal and Thomas shoal quietly ?

It was after US mediation basically Philippines had withdrawn ...and China had free hand to spread wide through this particular region ?


I feel it's too late ...too little ...

'...The Philippine Senate voted in 1991 to close down U.S. bases at Subic and Clark, northwest of Manila. However, it ratified a pact with the United States allowing temporary visits by American forces in 1999, four years after China seized a reef the Philippines contests...'


If the Philippines didn't make the U.S. leave in the '90s, all that wouldn't have happened. They bear some ( a lot) of the blame themselves. They should pay us to come back.:usflag:
 
If the Philippines didn't make the U.S. leave in the '90s, all that wouldn't have happened. They bear some ( a lot) of the blame themselves.

Maybe ...but after all US had moral obligation to help Philippines after mediating between two ....
US mediation after which Philippines agreed to withdraw only ended up helping China ....
 
Welcome back. :D:welcome:

This is already known to us that the US will return as part of Asia pivot, make no difference since you guys already have bases in Japan, S.K all the way down to Singapore. Now perhaps we can setup the SCS ADIZ with this threat to our south east? :lol:
 
Maybe ...but after all US had moral obligation to help Philippines after mediating between two ....
US mediation after which Philippines agreed to withdraw only ended up helping China ....


'...The Philippine Senate voted in 1991 to close down U.S. bases at Subic and Clark, northwest of Manila. However, it ratified a pact with the United States allowing temporary visits by American forces in 1999, four years after China seized a reef the Philippines contests...'
 
Welcome back. :D:welcome:

This is already known to us that the US will return as part of Asia pivot, make no difference since you guys already have bases in Japan, S.K all the way down to Singapore. Now perhaps we can setup the SCS ADIZ with this threat to our south east? :lol:

do it, don't troll. Chinese have to face with USA, not ASEAN countries.

Good move by Philippine friends. USA will protect you from bully of idiot Chinese.
 
'...The Philippine Senate voted in 1991 to close down U.S. bases at Subic and Clark, northwest of Manila. However, it ratified a pact with the United States allowing temporary visits by American forces in 1999, four years after China seized a reef the Philippines contests...'

Is that the only answer you have got to harp upon .

US mediated between two ..and had to help maintain at least Status quo

obviously US failed to protect interest of its ally ...
 
do it, don't troll. Chinese have to face with USA, not ASEAN countries.

Good move by Philippine friends. USA will protect you from bully of idiot Chinese.

Why not ask the US to take the Paracel for you since they're here? Oh wait, did they refuse to help idiot Vietnamese? :lol:
 
Why not ask the US to take the Paracel for you since they're here? Oh wait, did they refuse to help idiot Vietnamese? :lol:

Paracel Islands belong to us. as Man Qing Dynasty has been accepted and we controlled the Islands, but we don't have troubles with China in the past. we should do it by own selves to resolve this matter. no need USA nor Russia intervention. If Russia or USA take back Islands for us we Vietnamese don't like it.

frankly speaking I'm a pro for Chinese civilization, but we Vietnamese no puppet for China. If China is still under control of extremists couption officails in peking CPC in China, we are Vietnamese we have many choice to do in this dispute, even though the dispute will last for ever.

Educated Chinese could understand it, but low IQ Chinese no.
 
They didn't give a **** about OUR interests. They voted to kick us out and then paid the price. China took their shit. When times were good, they gave the U.S. the finger. They didn't need us. But when the neighborhood bully comes around they cried like bitches. Like I said before, the little ingrates should be paying us to come back.:usflag:

Mind your language .
You are on international forum .


US has historical obligations to Philippines ...

It was responsible for one of the biggest carnage in history of Philippines....

But besides that US decided to mediate between China and Philippines...
Upon US guarantee ...Philippines withdrew ...and eventually lost control of the said region .

US thus failed miserably both to mediate effectively to maintain status quo ... as well as protect interest of weaker party which also happens to be its ally

US has lost face ...no weaker nation will ever trust to heed US advise and take it into mediate ...for it can't guarantee peace or outcome acceptable to both parties ....
 
The Phil need to upgrade their military. How about this Korean midget sub for littoral combat? Maybe we can also buy and build 20 of this
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Mind your language .
You are on international forum .


US has historical obligations to Philippines ...

It was responsible for one of the biggest carnage in history of Philippines....

But besides that US decided to mediate between China and Philippines...
Upon US guarantee ...Philippines withdrew ...and eventually lost control of the said region .

US thus failed miserably both to mediate effectively to maintain status quo ... as well as protect interest of weaker party which also happens to be its ally

US has lost face ...no weaker nation will ever trust to heed US advise and take it into mediate ...for it can't guarantee peace or outcome acceptable to both parties ....

Or perhaps that was the plan. To make the country so weak that the Chinese took advantage of taking over a reef and forced the Philippines to look to the U.S. for help. Which in turn allowed the U.S. to come back. Who benefits more?
 
Or perhaps that was the plan. To make the country so weak that the Chinese took advantage of taking over a reef and forced the Philippines to look to the U.S. for help. Which in turn allowed the U.S. to come back. Who benefits more?

Given the fact that US is the most self centered ,selfish as well as hypocrite country on back of this earth ...your contention is absolutely plausible !!!
 
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