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Sulu Sultanate Rejects China's Claim Over Spratlys

“China has no right over the Spratly Islands in what it calls the South China Sea because that is part of our ancestral domain, including the marine territory around it and the waters around these islands is part of the Sulu Sea,” Majaraj Julmuner Jannaral, Sultanate information officer, told The STAR, quoting Muhammad Fuad Abdulla Kiram I, the reigning Sultan of Sulu and Sabah (North Borneo).

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Sabah, Palawan and the Spratlys Island were given to the Sulu Sultanate by the Brunei Sultanate in the 1400's.


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Our indisputable proof of ownership...our small barangay in Pag-asa Island. PROC occupy ZERO Island, Taiwan occupies Taiping Island only because the Taiwanese used force to removed our People there(and that's illegal under international law)...we are the FIRST to occupy the islands after Japanese renounce their ownership.

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Muhammad Fuad Abdulla Kiram I is not even recognized by the Philippines government as the legitimate Sultan of Sulu, in fact, none of the 4 contenders are recognized. The last recognized Sultan died in 1986.

List of sultans of Sulu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sultan" Muhammad is just trying to worm his way into the good books of the Philippine government, in the hopes that his claim to be the Sultan of Sulu will be officially recognized by the Philippine government.

He is practically a nonentity. The other claimaints have more legitimacy than him and have done more in their cause, it was Sultan Jamalul Kiram III who actually had the balls to do something about the claim to Sabah and send his men over to Lahad Datu to try to take it for himself instead of blabbering.

Sultan Jamalul Kiram III is both friends with the MNLF Chariman Nur Misuari and he also has good relations with China. He's been to Shandong before to re establish ties with Tausug descendants living there.

Also a reminder, the map you use is absolutely pathetic, because the Sulu Sultanate (and Maguindanao Sultanate) were at war AGAINST the Spanish governed Philippines for nearly 300 years. The map is complete BS because it shows the Sulu Sultanate as part of the Spanish Philippines. The Spanish CLAIMED the Sulu Sultanate as their territory but failed to take over it. The map you posted shows the former Spanish claims over the entire archipelago when in fact they didn't control Mindanao and Sulu.

I've posted plenty of links to sources on the Moros centuries long war against the Spanish, then the Americans and now the current Philippines government. The Sulu Sultanate was a big enemy of the Spanish Philippines.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...graphic-engineering-against-moro-muslims.html

Misauri's mnlfnet.com website, which is pro MNLF (Misuari faction) and pro Sultan Jamalul Kiram III, recognize's China's claims to the Spratly islands.

HISTORICAL AND "HUMAN WRONG" OF PHILIPPINE COLONIALISM: HOW NOT TO RESPECT HISTORIC-HUMAN RIGHTS OF BANGSAMORO AND CHINA?-MNLF Official Website

EDITORIAL

BANGSAMORO YOUTH CORNER
08 October 2012

HISTORICAL AND "HUMAN WRONG" OF PHILIPPINE COLONIALISM:
HOW NOT TO RESPECT HISTORIC-HUMAN RIGHTS OF
BANGSAMORO AND CHINA?

By RRayhanR



Map of China, South China Sea and the Sulu Sea

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Given the current dispute between Philippines and China over actual ownership of the islands in South China Sea and the unending Philippines-Bangsamoro war in Filipino-occupied, there are two fundamental questions that need crystal clarification, to wit:



Firstly, can Philippines respect the historical and human rights of the colonized Bangsamoro people and the peace-loving Chinese people?



Secondly, can the Luzon-based Filipino colonizers cease to perpetrate injustice against the historically-sovereign Moro Nation (Bangsamoro) and now emerging super power China?



It is often said that the Spanish-conceptualized Catholic Filipino nation as an American-inspired "fabricated Philippine State" only in July 5, 1946 or a proclaimed "Philippine Republic" in Cavite on June 12, 1898 can never consider history an "ally", but always an "enemy". This truism is validated by its genocidal war today with the colonized Bangsamoro people for more than four decades after the immoral arbitrary annexation of the Moro Nation in 1946 courtesy of the 1935 Philippine Commonwealth National Assembly Legislative Act no. 4197 otherwise known as the draconian Quirino-Recto Colonization Act.



This is also proven true in its present dispute with China over the group of islands located in South China Sea ("West Philippine Sea" shrewdly renamed recently by Manila government) that the Chinese government has categorically claimed owning based on historical rights, insisting that the Huanyan islands case is never a disputed issue because historical ownership rests on China by moral and human rights.



Clearly, Philippine colonialism can never show any historical precedent or antecedent that the Bangsamoro homeland of Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan (MINSUPALA) was ever a part and parcel of the "Philippine Republic" proclaimed by General Emilio Aguinaldo in Kawit, Cavite on June 12, 1898. Neither was the Moro Nation and the Bangsamoro people a willing "member" of the American-manufactured "Republic of the Philippines" on July 4, 1946 thanks to Filipino and American colonial conspiracy.



WHY IS PHILIPPINE COLONIALISM NOT RESPECTING HISTORICAL AND HUMAN RIGHTS OF BANGSAMORO AND CHINA?



It is vividly recorded in history that the Mindanao-based Sultanate of Sulu ("Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo" later in 1759) sovereignty was established way back in 1450 and followed in later years by the Sultanate of Maguindanao and Sultanate Buayan in Cotabato and the apat na pangampong district in Lanao. The Mindanao Sultanate government was promulgated way advance 448 years before the initial proclamation of the so-called Philippine Republic in 1898.



In history, the sovereign and independent Sultanate Government of the Muslim natives was recognized by no less than China, the oldest cradle and most flourishing civilization in Asia, the Madjapahit Empire (Indonesia today), Brunei, Malaysia and Western countries, such as Great Britain, Portugal, Dutch, and as well as Middle Eastern nations, like Muslim Arabia (Makkah), Hadramauth (Yemen) and Turkey.



Thus, the historical antecedents of the Mindanao Sultanate suzerainty are closely related to China. The two historical Asian independent nations had conducted ever since peaceful and friendly liaison, enjoying mutual cordial commercial and diplomatic intercourse. The Chinese merchants visiting Mindanao from all over China have always respect and trust for the Muslim and Animist native inhabitants of Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan, contributing historically to the close linkage of the two Asian equal trading partners.



In fact, the introduction of Islam to Mindanao can also be credited to China, which served since time immemorial a wide base marketing centre for the enterprising business merchants from the Middle East, particularly Makkah of early Muhammadan Arabia and Hadramauth (Yemen) during the earliest period of the pivotal impact of Islam in the Arab peninsula.



From China, Arabian Muslim traders, who were also learned and knowledgeable in Islamic dawah (propagation), continued travelling on board Chinese vessels to Sulu in late 1200s, preaching Islam to the Tausug natives, and gradually in later years to the Maguindanao, Iranun and Maranaw natives of mainland Mindanao, particularly Cotabato and Lanao.



The historical corner stone of the pleasant and warm relationship between the Mindanao Sultanate sovereignty and China is attested by the famous Poon Tau Kong Chinese temple built in the metropolis town of the island of Jolo near the biggest Islamic mosque and the introduction of varied Chinese influence and traits that abound in the early Moro Nation, including intermarriage between Chinese nationals with native inhabitants. Thus, the various descendants of Mindanaoan--Chinese blood until today have attested to the peaceful and harmonious co-existence of the people of the early Moro Nation and China.



Unfortunately, the ancient sacred Chinese temple and the historic Tulay mosque in the center of Jolo were burned and razed to the ground in 1974 when the colonial Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) fighter jet planes, helicopter gunships and naval battle ships bombarded indiscriminately the capital town. The historically-noted February 7-8, 1974 "Battle of Jolo" between the MNLF-Bangsamoro freedom fighters and the AFP occupation forces that Philippine colonialism under the murderous Marcos regime tried hard to suppress and to hide from local and global media coverage led to the massive burning of almost the entire civilian houses and commercial buildings. The heavy bombardment and burning of the capital town of Jolo resulted in the mass killing of more than 20,000 innocent and helpless Muslim civilians, including children, women and aged, and countless personal material losses



Toward this single atrocity and many more injustices perpetrated by Philippine colonialism against the colonized and oppressed Bangsamoro people in history marking the colonial genocidal war in Mindanao, no regional and global human rights centre have ever investigated the grave abuses of the Philippine government. The so-called Philippine Human Rights Commission has existed only to hide the "human wrongs" committed by Philippine colonialism against the colonized, oppressed and brutalized Muslim and Indigenous peoples of the Bangsamoro homeland.



Truth to tell, during the reign of Sulu Sultan Badar ud-Din and while paying China a state visit, he appealed to the Chinese Emperor to consider recognizing the Sultanate domain of Sulu as a direct integral province of China. However, the Chinese Emperor declined the request as not necessary since the two nations have a strong diplomatic and commercial relationship based on mutual trust and respect for each other's sovereignty and independence.



The refusal of the Chinese Emperor to annexation, although voluntary, of the early Sultanate dominion as part and member of China would only show that the Asian dominant nation has always believed on peace and harmony with its neighbors. China has always valued peace rather than war in order not to create tensions and animosities that lead to mass suffering, demographic division and physical devastation triggered by other foreign exploitative war-monger nations, like the tumultuous events that happened to Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines and Bangsamoro.



On this historical reality, the Moro Nation and China should not be convinced by Philippine colonialism to ignore and to forget the moral lessons of history. In as much as China has all the historical rights to uphold its moral obligation and responsibility to the islands in South China that Philippine colonialism is eagle-eyed to land-grab similar to Mindanao, the Bangsamoro people, waging now a freedom struggle for more than 40 years against "Imperial Manila", have also the historical rights and moral ground to continue their noble struggle to decolonize their ancestral homeland.



In the final analysis, although presently under colonization and occupation by Philippine colonialism, the oppressed Bangsamoro people of Mindanao can only call upon China to stand on solid historical ground. The Philippines may have succeeded in the past with American support in land-grabbing the Moro Nation by using the law of the jungle that "might is right" disguised as "rule of law" to weaken fundamental rights and to erase historical rights, but this legal jargon of duplicity and trickery should serve a historical lesson to China to be steadfast to protect its substantial historical and human rights and ancient national interest.



The Bangsamoro and Chinese peoples of Asia should always eye history as an asset and a foundation of truth, not an "enemy" of a fictitious colonial state like the Philippines. -rrr/bfs

IMPACT OF POSSIBLE CHINA-PHILIPPINES WAR WITHIN FILIPINO-MORO WAR IN MINDANAO-MNLF Official Website

EDITORIAL
11 August 2012

BANGSAMORO HISTORICAL NOTES

IMPACT OF POSSIBLE CHINA-PHILIPPINES WAR
WITHIN FILIPINO-MORO WAR IN MINDANAO



SHORT PROLOGUE

What is the possibility of Philippine colonialism going to war with powerful China while still waging a genocidal war against the colonized Bangsamoro people of Mindanao?



Can Philippines afford to battle with both the colonized people of Mindanao and the emerging global superpower China whose historical rights, respectively, on Sulu Sea and South China Sea are being usurped and challenged by a "corrupt" and "fabricated Philippine State" from inception?



PART I - WHAT AILS THE FILIPINO NATION?

History cannot erase the fact that the "Philippine Republic" was only formed in July 4, 1946 by both American and Filipino conspirators, who totally ignored the vehement series of protestation of the Bangsamoro people of Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan (MINSUPALA) to be part and parcel of the Christian Catholic Filipino nation. The compelling reason was that the Muslims or Moros were sovereign and independent, and distinctly different in religion, culture and historical heritage from the Spanish descent Catholic Filipinos and Christianized Indios. Clearly, the Philippine Republic was manufactured by unscrupulous American and Filipino politicians to extinct the Bangsamoro and Igorot peoples and treacherously to land-grab their ancestral lands akin to the Indian Nations of North America. Thus, the eventual ugly consequence is the decades-long blood-letting between the Bangsamoro freedom fighters and the colonial Filipino military occupation forces in Mindanao today.



Conscious of the duplicity and wickedness displayed in the 1930s by the power-hungry Filipino politicians spearheaded by Manuel L. Quezon and political ilks, the Muslim leaders in the Bangsamoro homeland of Mindanao, Sulu and Palawan strongly demanded for their fundamental human rights to freedom and independence, determining even to remain within the political ambit of the United States of America (USA). But never under Philippine colonial rule. However, their appeal for national self-determination was completely ignored by the U.S. government, yielding to the duplicitous political lobby of the of the megalomaniac Filipino plotters bent to colonize and to occupy the Moro Nation and the Mountain Province (Cordillera Region).


Thus, the joint American and Filipino political conspiracy was consummated by the immoral and illegal inclusion of MINSUPALA and Cordillera Region into the so-called Republic of the Philippines in 1946.


In the exact words of Joseph E. Fallon, "the Republic of the Philippines is an arbitrary amalgamation of a multitude of diverse islands and peoples."


The tragic truth was that the protesting Muslim and Highlander natives of Mindanao, and too the native Igorots of Mountain Province were only forced to become "third-class citizens" of the "accursed" Philippine Republic for they were never consulted or subjected to any form of democratic process based on people's referendum or plebiscite.


Thus, it is further emphasized by Joseph E. Fallon that the American-created "political entity is not a nation-state; neither it is a voluntary multinational association. Rather, it constitutes a new, post World War II, colonial order centered in Manila, and dedicated to the political and economic hegemony of the local Christian-Europhile community over the entire territory of the former American colony." As he also observed' "although distinct Chinese, Cambodia,


Japanese, Korean, Tibetan and Thai countries had emerged by the time of the onslaught of American imperialism in Asia during the 19th century, there never existed a Filipino nation."


"While other heterogeneous Asian countries can seek to legitimate the existence of their states by declaring a continuity -however dubious- with indigenous kingdoms or empires that flourished in their lands before European domination, Filipino nationalists cannot."


"No single political entity ever ruled the entire archipelago, and those states which did arise to govern significant portions of these islands, including the area around Manila, were Muslim. Unlike other Asian nationalisms, for Filipinos history is an enemy, not an ally."


PART II- WHY IS HISTORY AN ENEMY OF FILIPINOS, NOT AN ALLY? WHAT FAULTS PHILIPPINE HISTORY?

In the case of the present dispute between China and the Philippines over the islands in South China Sea (Manila government recently changed to "West Philippine Sea"), the Philippine claim from the beginning over the islands within Mindanao Sea ("Bohol Sea" as renamed by the Filipino colonizers), Sulu Sea and South China Sea has no historical moral ground. This is simply because the "fabricated Philippine State" can't proudly live up with its illegal annexation of the ancestral homelands of both the Bangsamoro and the Igorot peoples, more so, with its present preposterous claim of owning the whole of Spratly islands that China claims to own by historical rights.


Thus, how can the Philippines continue deceiving humanity with its historical deformity and falsehood predicated only in plain land-grabbing colonial scheme? But the saddest fact is that Philippine colonialism has no qualms pursuing in fooling humanity of this criminal historical conspiracy and duplicity.


Now, that the ill-conceived Philippine Republic has to face possible war with China while still engaging the Bangsamoro people in the decades-long Mindanao war, it has only unmasked the Filipino colonizers' own game of "duplicity, intimidation and falsehood" to legitimize their self-defeating claim to the islands in South China Sea and Mindanao Sea.


As currently reported in both Philippine and foreign media, the word war between the contending nations over the disputed islands located in South China Sea is causing high tension in both countries.


Inside the Philippines, which have to peacefully end the Filipino-Moro war in Mindanao and the AFP-NDF/NPA war affecting the entire Filipino nation, there are irresponsible Filipino leaders talking of open confrontation with China. Worse, the Philippine leadership is showing a desperate move of inviting America to help the Philippines conduct military surveillance on South China Sea. Surely on this end, the provocative incursion would henceforth challenge China to retaliate with all its military power, notwithstanding the illegal military intervention or participation of America.


In blocking the military incursion of foreign element in a bid to trample its historical right to the islands of South China Sea, China had once "punished" Vietnam on March 14, 1988 in a naval skirmish by sinking one vessel and heavily damaging another one that had to retreat hurriedly back to home base.


Thus, given the same possible scenario, China can anytime crush any attempt by Philippines to undertake any provocative offensive either militarily or diplomatically because the latter country has no moral ground to prove valid its historical right over the contested islands in South China Sea except relying on the modern day-conceived United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLS) that China has no moral historical obligation to recognize.


In the recent conference of the foreign ministers of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Phnom Penh, the Philippines miserably failed in its diplomatic attempt to gain support for its weak claim on the South China Sea issue. The ASEAN meeting simply considered the Panatag Shoal (Huangyan Island to China) dispute not a regional issue or merely a non-issue, following China's historical viewpoint that "Huangyan Island has always been part of the Chinese territory and not a disputed island."


In reality, the dismal failure of the Philippines to deceive the other ASEAN member states has only proven that it does not have the diplomatic and military influence to match its high-pitched verbal provocations. Nonetheless, it is interesting to note that in the ASEAN meeting, Philippine's Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario denounced Chinese "duplicity" and "intimidation" in the South China Sea alluding to the continuous presence of Chinese fishermen in the area.


Referring to the Huangyan Island (Panatag Shoal) standoff of both Chinese and Filipino vessels, he stressed the expected face-saving comment, "if Philippine sovereignty and jurisdiction can be denigrated by a powerful country through pressure, duplicity, intimidation and the threat of the use of force, the international community should be concerned abotu the behavior."


On this historical purview, the Philippine government has only to blame itself for the humility and failure to deceive further the conscious humanity because for too long now it has had used every "pressure, duplicity, intimidation and the threat of the use of force" (or "military solution") against the oppressed and colonized Bangsamoro and Igorot peoples to keep them further in colonial bondage. The Luzon-based Filipino colonizers never have the political will to end the more than forty (40) years Mindanao war because they want to prolong the killing of more Muslim and Highlander natives in order to perpetuate Philippine colonialism in the war-torn region.


Thus, perhaps it is all providential that the China-Philippines disagreement on the historical rights of the Spratly islands in South China Sea has indeed happened. It is only showing the historical weakness and fallacy of Philippine colonialism to impose its empty claims on the Bangsamoro and Igorot peoples, including imposing its "cursed" Filipino identity and highly questionable sovereignty over the Bangsamoro homeland MINSUPALA and the Cordillera Region.


By this historical awkwardness, if in the event the Philippine government foolishly provoke China into a face-saving war, however minor or small scale, the colonized Bangsamoro people certainly cannot take the gambit of joining the war against the peace-loving Chinese people. As the "greatest" heavyweight boxer Muhammad Ali, while refusing draft into the U.S. military, said: "We ain't got no quarrel with the Vietcong."


In truth, for centuries now, the Bangsamoro people of Mindanao have been fighting the Spanish, American, Japanese and Filipino colonizers to maintain their complete freedom and independence. And China was never an enemy, but always remained a peaceful neighbor to the Moro Nation, particularly to the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo. Formally proclaimed in 1450 and recognized by China and other foreign countries, the Sultanate of Sulu was the first established Bangsamoro Sultanate government in Mindanao followed by the Sultanate of Maguindanao and Sultanate Buayan in Cotabato, and the Apat na Pangampong Sultanate district in Lanao region.


Thus, when will Philippine colonialism learn well the historical moral lesson that it does not at all pay to use "pressure, duplicity, intimidation and the threat of the use of force" to solve the nagging Filipino-Moro war in Mindanao, if only to ensure permanent peaceful co-existence of the different multi-cultural and religious peoples of the region?


On this end, is it not possible for the Filipino colonizers to have peace with the freedom-loving Bangsamoro and Igorot peoples and continued peaceful co-existence with around 1.5 billion Chinese people all over the world?


Why is it too painful for the Filipino colonizers to accept the reality that Filipinization or similarly Christianization of the Muslim and Lumad natives of Mindanao and the Igorots of Mountain Province is never a sound solution, but just an ugly face of ethnic cleansing leading to more massacres in a continued colonial war?


Thus, again, the striking words of wisdom of Joseph E. Fallon come to mind, "after so many decades of abuse and betrayal, for the Moros and the Igorots to trust Manila and to remain within the Philippines would not only be naive, it would be suicidal."


Hence, it is about time that the peaceful community of nations worldwide should be wary of the political and diplomatic antics of the American-fabricated Philippine State. The international community should play active role to appeal to the Catholic Filipino nation to abandon the ugliness of colonialism so as to guarantee permanent and durable peace in war-ravaged Mindanao and restive Cordillera Region for the betterment, prosperity and brighter future of the Filipino, Bangsamoro and Igorot peoples of Southeast Asia. -osm/mnlfnet.com

As for the BS you posted on the Philippines being in the Spratly Islands first, I quote myself again.

For everyone who is not a Filipino, I present the facts:

The Spratly Islands were disputed between France and the Republic of China in the 1930s. Japan invaded the islands and after the Japanese were defeated, the Republic of China was designated to receive the Japanese surrenders in the Spratlys at the end of WW 2 in 1945. The Republic of China then established garrisons on the islands in 1946 before Vietnam was even an independent country. The Republic of China (Taiwan) has the oldest military presence and claims on the islands. The American colony known as the Philippines did not claim the Spratly islands or even take notice of them before independence in 1946. After independence, the Filipino Tomas Cloma suddenly claimed he "discovered" the already occupied Spratly islands, and based on this claim the Marcos government in the Philippines (the butcherer of tens of thousands of Moro civlians) claimed the Spratlys in the 1970s.

Spratly Islands (reefs, South China Sea) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

Vietnam Joins the World - Google knygos

Where in the World is the Philippines?

The Law of the Sea and Northeast Asia

The PRC does control some of the Spratly islands.

Johnson South Reef Skirmish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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well you are right rule of law is nothing..does india follow rule of law or UN chartered resolutions that itself accepted on kashmir?
does USA follow rule of law or UN?
does russia follow rule of law or UN...?
noone follows any rules because they are none..
had there been rule of law there would have been no armies and no wars

ther may be some ethical conscious to perserve your country image when it comes to human life loss which in this case wouldnt be issue as those isalnds are mostly unpopulated and noone will be stupid enough to challenge china

So you like conflict death and more death it figures there more things to skin a cat sir. The Military should only be for defense never to invade.

Those islands do belong to China, and let's not forget, Vietnam.

BTW, I couldn't find any Chinese historical maps that shows Spratly belonged to China.

Anyway, if one part of the Spratly island group is Chinese occupied, well then it's Chinese occupied. Like what they say; Finders keepers, losers weepers.

Wow clearly you have no brain cells at all

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Who acknowledges the Archipelagic Doctrine, but the Pinoys?

It is not enforceble in the international disputes.

Did you not read the UNCLOS like I told you to?

I have my own copy like i told you if you dont believe its your own problem i guess you chinese dont have a understanding of the peaceful resolution?
 
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You might have a copy, or even several copies.

The question is your comprehension ability, which I doubt.

Was it written in Pino?

I have a suitcaseful of byible. Does it mean I am a xtian?

When your uncle the US told you to shut up, you better listen, or he won't give you any more rust buckets for you navy.
 
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Old Map Showing Spratlys Belongs to the Philippines

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Sulu Sultanate Rejects China's Claim Over Spratlys

“China has no right over the Spratly Islands in what it calls the South China Sea because that is part of our ancestral domain, including the marine territory around it and the waters around these islands is part of the Sulu Sea,” Majaraj Julmuner Jannaral, Sultanate information officer, told The STAR, quoting Muhammad Fuad Abdulla Kiram I, the reigning Sultan of Sulu and Sabah (North Borneo).

Sulu Sultanate rejects China claim over Spratlys | Global Balita

Sabah, Palawan and the Spratlys Island were given to the Sulu Sultanate by the Brunei Sultanate in the 1400's.


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Our indisputable proof of ownership...our small barangay in Pag-asa Island. PROC occupy ZERO Island, Taiwan occupies Taiping Island only because the Taiwanese used force to removed our People there(and that's illegal under international law)...we are the FIRST to occupy the islands after Japanese renounce their ownership.


Which is and never did happen so there

LOL the kid (Zero_wing) is a dimwit. You can't expect much from him. I used to trade with him but I have chosen to ignore him. When he grows up and mature a bit, then I will reassess.

Like i care who and what you are and what you have to say your just one of this chinese pirates using US flag again if you dont want replys like this you can leave.

Old Map Showing Spratlys Belongs to the Philippines

16978-01.jpg


Sulu Sultanate Rejects China's Claim Over Spratlys

“China has no right over the Spratly Islands in what it calls the South China Sea because that is part of our ancestral domain, including the marine territory around it and the waters around these islands is part of the Sulu Sea,” Majaraj Julmuner Jannaral, Sultanate information officer, told The STAR, quoting Muhammad Fuad Abdulla Kiram I, the reigning Sultan of Sulu and Sabah (North Borneo).

Sulu Sultanate rejects China claim over Spratlys | Global Balita

Sabah, Palawan and the Spratlys Island were given to the Sulu Sultanate by the Brunei Sultanate in the 1400's.


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Our indisputable proof of ownership...our small barangay in Pag-asa Island. PROC occupy ZERO Island, Taiwan occupies Taiping Island only because the Taiwanese used force to removed our People there(and that's illegal under international law)...we are the FIRST to occupy the islands after Japanese renounce their ownership.


Which is and never did happen and as if a land mass or island territory who's legality is in question? If it helps you sleep why not. As we say here nothing wrong with dreaming so again blah blah that's it.:rofl:
 
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So you like conflict death and more death it figures there more things to skin a cat sir. The Military should only be for defense never to invade.
if their is oil there plus strategic location of these islands with no real local population..i think even if chinese do occuupy it there will be no life lossess..noone other than US can challenge china..and china are slowly testing the US to see how it reacts, if it doesnt , it would silently take over all the islands
there is difference between "should" and reality..
had there been not there wouldnt have been 2 mutual provked war on kashmir b/w india -pak and one completely unprovked war of 1971 on bengal
 
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You might have a copy, or even several copies.

The question is your comprehension ability, which I doubt.

Was it written in Pino?

I have a suitcaseful of byible. Does it mean I am a xtian?

When your uncle the US told you to shut up, you better listen, or he won't give you any more rust buckets for you navy.

So why should we The ch@#$% love s and m which i can never understand? why is everything s and m with you people and nothing in the world say weakness is against any know law in the world so nothing wrong being weak in any reason it must be challenge to improve! chinese pirates are just that after resources nothing more a real 21st Century Nazi Germany a threat to world peace trying to be America anyway we do what we have to do to save what little we have our people our diet is majority related in the sea. As for us the taewanese and the chinese Imperialist and the rest who want our seas and islands can do to hell. But we build our defenses and use whatever legal international means to defend ourselves war is last on our minds if America help (legally binding to) they can but not well like poland in world war 2 we fight the best we can.
 
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Is that why you moved to the US instead of fighting along side with your countrymen/women in your rusty navy boats in the Pinoy water?
 
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Is that why you moved to the US instead of fighting along side with your countrymen/women in your rusty navy boats in the Pinoy water?

Really now? First not all ship are old majority of transport ships small attack boats are new the latest is the BRP Tagbanua (AT-296) and the Multi-purpose Attack Crafts (MPAC) 5 units each true that our attack sureface vessels are majority old World War 2 and Vietnam War era but they been fully refurnish and restored and updated with communications and navigation equipments but no new weapons some still using some of the old guns from Vietnam and again new ships take years to make so we have to buy old stocks from the us and other friendly nations we are in the process of buying and building ships but they still in paper hey we have limited budget base here and most are going to the education and health and infrastructure its like most country's were screw everyone else and build the military! Anyway we slowly (snail paste) writing off our older ships due to our modernization plan the priority Strategic Sealift Vessels (SSV) and Frigates which is still in bidding.

But then again i told you America is legally obligated to help but its still very and use the world very unlikely they will do so again to sum it up limited budget for the military, Using all legal means to solve the issue by International law with the exception the chinese solution which is just totally unacceptable that's it.
 
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"America is legally obligated....."

You are joking. America can easily use that piece of paper you called treaty for blowing their nose with.

What can you offer the US? A mutual defense treaty means I scratch your back and you scratch mine. You think you can offer any substantial military help to the US when a conflict breaks out?

The general sentiment in the US is to tell the Pino to fly a kite, after you guys kick your uncle out of Subic Bay.
 
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"America is legally obligated....."

You are joking. America can easily use that piece of paper you called treaty for blowing their nose with.

What can you offer the US? A mutual defense treaty means I scratch your back and you scratch mine. You think you can offer any substantial military help to the US when a conflict breaks out?

The general sentiment in the US is to tell the Pino to fly a kite, after you guys kick your uncle out of Subic Bay.

Well they are ever heard of the MDT? (Mutual Defense treaty) and the mutual Assistance pact? but i guess you dont know that and again it was the senate who kick them out and that has noting to do with the issue well people like you are just people who has nothing to contribute at all again no i really dont care what some Americans think? majority of Americans hate the chinese for stealing there industries and jobs from them but that's not the point i told you before legal but unlikely i guess you have those short attention span which is your own thing to deal with! You can cry me river if you keep insisting la la version fantasies but again and again i tell you this Diplomacy and all legal mechanism and means first then defense that's it allies are welcome to help Japan as express they would US too but then again personally am not betting on the states to help.
 
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The Americans may be upset with the loss of their jobs, but they keep buying from China. That's a fact.

What can Pionys sell to the US? Mangoes? Women, may be for the G.I.?

The last time I check, the so call Scarborough Shoal is no longer under the Pinoys control. Did your uncle do anything?
 
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Man you just full of it are? Tell me does making others fill worse make you happy? Since your on the subject on not having a intelligent discussion. Are you always an jerk in your community i would love to ask some one but is there someone here from his home town?
 
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MDT is only applicable to a direct invasion on the Philippine mainland such as Luzon, Visayaz and Mindanao. Anything else like the Scarborough shoal or the Ayungin shoal are not covered. They are disputed meaning their ownership is up for grabs. American lives are precious. What is covered are an invasion or if there is an attack on Philippine government vessel then the Obama administration can go to the Congress and ask for permission to help the Pinoys. But no politician will vote to go to war with China over the Philippines. War with China is only possible if there is a direct attack on the United States and her important allies such as Japan or South Korea. Philippines is not in the important list.
 
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MDT is only applicable to a direct invasion on the Philippine mainland such as Luzon, Visayaz and Mindanao. Anything else like the Scarborough shoal or the Ayungin shoal are not covered. They are disputed meaning their ownership is up for grabs. American lives are precious. What is covered are an invasion or if there is an attack on Philippine government vessel then the Obama administration can go to the Congress and ask for permission to help the Pinoys. But no politician will vote to go to war with China over the Philippines. War with China is only possible if there is a direct attack on the United States and her important allies such as Japan or South Korea. Philippines is not in the important list.

And do we care? no America is only obligated do so and yet your right and your wrong one according to said treaty if any Filipino or American vessel civilian or government the both parties will come to each others aid so meaning if any of our ship are attack America is obligated ***** us as for not in important for person who claims to be former military you have small understanding of the world front line? Because we near areas that would be flash point with china so as Japan disputed areas other flashpoint so your assessment is basically stupid and again am tell you anti filipino racist jerks that any help from America is unlikely i dare not hope i still think that the best way to solve the problem is through the UN like its suppose to defense right now is the last opinion ships, planes are not made in day.
 
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And do we care? no America is only obligated do so and yet your right and your wrong one according to said treaty if any Filipino or American vessel civilian or government the both parties will come to each others aid so meaning if any of our ship are attack America is obligated ***** us as for not in important for person who claims to be former military you have small understanding of the world front line? Because we near areas that would be flash point with china so as Japan disputed areas other flashpoint so your assessment is basically stupid and again am tell you anti filipino racist jerks that any help from America is unlikely i dare not hope i still think that the best way to solve the problem is through the UN like its suppose to defense right now is the last opinion ships, planes are not made in day.

The Americans created your country and defined its political boundaries. Most Philippines political instutions and administrative boundaries date from American rule. And when the Americans ruled the Philippines, they did not claim a single part of the Spratly Islands. Not one. It was after the Philippines gained independence in 1946 that Tomas Cloma discovered the already occupied, garrisoned and claimed Spratly Islands (by the Republic of China), and then Cloma lied and claimed he discovered it as Terra Nullius.

Cloma then set up his own "state" claiming the islands as his personal property. Cloma was then forced to "cede" his claims to the Philippines government under Dictator Ferdinand Marcos (the butcherer of tens of thousands of Moro Muslim civilians) for one peso in the 1970s.

Speaking of which, it was the Americans who granted Mindanao and Sulu to the Philippines state. And they did it by violating the Bates Treaty and conquering the Moro Sultanates by force. Withouth them, the Philippines would just be Luzon, the Visayas and a small northern strip of Mindanao.

Both Palawan and Mindanao islands have been flooded by Luzonian and Visayan migrants, the native animist Lumads, Muslim Moros, and negritos being dispossed and now they are minorities. Now that you've flooded their islands, you want to seize the Spratly islands for yourselves. It just shows how greedy you are.
 
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