U.S. seeks to defuse spat with India

[MilSpec]

Sure,but the justice department or the US Marshall are not concerned about the spirit of the Vienna convention. The White House and State Department yes, but they don't have the power to interfere.

are you sure about that? Please read vienna convention, If diplomatic immunity is not subject to Justice dept, then there wouldn't be any relevance of vienna convention...... assume a diplomatic mission diplomat (russian assume) is found of some wrong doing, does justice department arrest him? as your contention is Justice dept/USMS are not concerned with vienna convention.........

Apart from that, do you think that US should except reciprocity from india in similar manner?

 

[danger007]

Sure,but the justice department or the US Marshall are not concerned about the spirit of the Vienna convention. The White House and State Department yes, but they don't have the power to interfere.

So madam you are saying Vienna convention is useless as Justice department intervened .... so where is the justice for the Vienna convention... So you are saying white house can't uphold the Vienna convention? then what about the Raymond??? what about the Two poor fellows being killed by criminal??? atleast Devayani didn't killed single person???
why US fallow tooooo much double standard.. may be we should say multi-standard

 

[dbc]

are you sure about that? Please read vienna convention, If diplomatic immunity is not subject to Justice dept, then there wouldn't be any relevance of vienna convention...... assume a diplomatic mission diplomat (russian assume) is found of some wrong doing, does justice department arrest him? as your contention is Justice dept/USMS are not concerned with vienna convention.........

Apart from that, do you think that US should except reciprocity from india in similar manner?

You were talking about the spirit of the Vienna Convention. It has already been established that the Indian official only had partial immunity.

 

[Arya Desa]

Americans are the epitome of hypocrisy. David Jones the slaughterer of pakistanis should get diplomatic immunity but this innocent girl involved in a labour dispute is not even afforded the most basic of human rights.

 

[Filipino]

No override function ?

You foreigners (well, technically I'm a foreigner too) have absolutely no idea. Right now this is barely news in america, but the second Obama obstructs a US Attorney, even though he appoints them, it will become a huge scandal. And for US domestic news, it will not be about the Indian consular official at all, but, as Death.By.Chocolate says it will be about Obama obstructing justice.

Both India and the US are federal states, but the US government is relatively decentralized compared to you guys. Even if the US state department wanted to make this go away, they have zero clout with the department of justice

 

[kbd-raaf]

You foreigners (well, technically I'm a foreigner too) have absolutely no idea. Right now this is barely news in america, but the second Obama obstructs a US Attorney, even though he appoints them, it will become a huge scandal. And for US domestic news, it will not be about the Indian consular official at all, but, as Death.By.Chocolate says it will be about Obama obstructing justice.

Both India and the US are federal states, but the US government is relatively decentralized compared to you guys. Even if the US state department wanted to make this go away, they have zero clout with the department of justice

True. BUT, the State Department can approve the diplomats new position that avails her full immunity

 

[Filipino]

The US State Department and Department of Defense were dealing with Afghan warlords in the last decade (everyone knows this). Many of those warlords are also druglords. When at least one of them visited America to confer with the state department and DOD to work out some deals, he was arrested by federal agents from the DOJ. The did not care that it really screwed up our foreign and defense policy, and not even the Bush white house could do anything about it

 

[sincity]

You were talking about the spirit of the Vienna Convention. It has already been established that the Indian official only had partial immunity.

Partial immunity won't do the defendant any good, she still be charged with the crime.

 

[Bang Galore]

Partial immunity won't do the defendant any good, she still be charged with the crime.

You foreigners (well, technically I'm a foreigner too) have absolutely no idea. Right now this is barely news in america, but the second Obama obstructs a US Attorney, even though he appoints them, it will become a huge scandal. And for US domestic news, it will not be about the Indian consular official at all, but, as Death.By.Chocolate says it will be about Obama obstructing justice.

Both India and the US are federal states, but the US government is relatively decentralized compared to you guys. Even if the US state department wanted to make this go away, they have zero clout with the department of justice

Without interfering, the state department can change their assessment of her immunity status. They did the same with some Russian diplomats that Bharara's office was targeting, many of whom were in far more junior position to the Indian diplomat. In any case, the diplomat is presently within India's UN mission, a no go area for anyone else.

You were talking about the spirit of the Vienna Convention. It has already been established that the Indian official only had partial immunity.

You are referring to the letter, not the spirit. There was a report in the Washington post which said that senior officials in the State department were not happy with the way this matter was conducted. One way out for all concerned is for the State department to accept full immunity in her new position and let this matter die. Unnecessary trouble for everyone, if it doesn't.

Sure,but the justice department or the US Marshall are not concerned about the spirit of the Vienna convention. The White House and State Department yes, but they don't have the power to interfere.

You would be wrong. The justice department would not normally have much to do if the State department had said she couldn't be touched. Somebody there too badly messed this up.

 

[Bombermanx1]

There would be no backing down from India in this regard, expect the charges be dropped and our diplomat returned or be prepared to break all relations.The end of it will be India-usa relations will be at the point of 60 and 70's relations.You can kiss your pivot to asia and strategic partner goodbye.Every party in India in unison condones this act along with the backing of people,It might not be a big thing there but here it is.This incident has already reached critical mass.It is upto USA how it applies damage control mode.

 

[Filipino]

True. BUT, the State Department can approve the diplomats new position that avails her full immunity

if done, that could possibly work, and would be pretty sneaky. it would set off a turf war between the department of state and the department of justice, since as has been pointed out, state has already done this relatively recently. in any case, i'm not gonna rule out obama being spineless on this, so we'll see

 

[dbc]

Without interfering, the state department can change their assessment of her immunity status. They did the same with some Russian diplomats that Bharara's office was targeting, many of whom were in far more junior position to the Indian diplomat. In any case, the diplomat is presently within India's UN mission, a no go area for anyone else.

It's a legacy of the Cold War era all Russian officials in the US enjoy full diplomatic immunity it's a reciprocal agreement from Soviet times.
It would be damn shame if Khobragade succeeds in manipulating public opinion to evade justice.

 

[sincity]

There would be no backing down from India in this regard, expect the charges be dropped and our diplomat returned or be prepared to break all relations.The end of it will be India-usa relations will be at the point of 60 and 70's relations.You can kiss your pivot to asia and strategic partner goodbye.Every party in India in unison condones this act along with the backing of people,It might not be a big thing there but here it is.This incident has already reached critical mass.It is upto USA how it applies damage control mode.

Do you want this case to have a closure? India need to back away a little and find a suitable solution for both US and India to work this out.

 

[Developereo]

Sure,but the justice department or the US Marshall are not concerned about the spirit of the Vienna convention. The White House and State Department yes, but they don't have the power to interfere.

The State department can (and will) pull the rug out from under the investigation by giving her retroactive immunity.

There will be domestic finger pointing and recriminations (mostly for the media and chest puffing) and maybe the prosecutor will resign in protest. But national interests will be salvaged.

 

[sincity]

The State department can (and will) pull the rug out from under the investigation by giving her retroactive immunity.

There will be domestic finger pointing and recriminations (mostly for the media and chest puffing) and maybe the prosecutor will resign in protest. But national interests will be salvaged.

US government will find help India persuaded UN not to reject the application from India deputy diplomat to transfer to UN mission for a full immunity, this is the only way only if US justice department don't pursue their case to the US office and provide the reasons of rejection the application of India deputy on the ground of human trafficking or exploitation of slave labor law.