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For all the buzz about the U.S.’ disappointment after New Delhi ejected Washington from the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender competition, it would appear that 2012 is the year of intensified efforts by the Pentagon to deepen its defence ties with India.

This week U.S. Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta indicated that the U.S. would go the extra mile to win more defence contracts with India. He hinted at possible relaxation of export control norms, a sore point in the bilateral relationship, particularly regarding high-technology, dual-use items.

“Our on-going work in reforming our export control system is a critical part of fostering that cooperation [with India],” Mr. Panetta said during a speech at the U.S. Institute of Peace, adding, “India is one such country that would benefit from changes to our system.”

The Secretary went on to note that while he was in New Delhi earlier in June he announced that Deputy Secretary of Defence Ashton Carter would “work with Indian counterparts to streamline our respective bureaucratic processes to better enable defence trade.”

The strategic push for expanded defence trade is marked by a strong interest on the part of the U.S. to strengthen the linkages between the U.S. and Indian systems, including the issue of systems interoperability that India has regarded with some caution. Yet Andrew Shapiro, Assistant Secretary in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, has pushed precisely for a more intimate institutional context for India-U.S. defence trade.

On the back of several impassioned speeches touting the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) channel for trade Mr. Shapiro said earlier this month “When a country buys an advanced U.S. defence system through our FMS... programmes, they aren’t simply buying a product. They are also seeking a partnership with the U.S.”

In April he similarly sought to press home the point about FMS when he said “FMS pertains to sales between governments, while Direct Commercial Sales [DCS] involves commercial defence sales abroad. Often times, countries can view FMS more sceptically and prefer the more transactional nature of the DCS system.”

Seeking to alter that view, Mr. Shapiro said to his Indian interlocutors that the U.S. believed that “The U.S.-India defence and trade relationship would benefit by linking defence sales with broader strategic goals. That’s why we specifically articulated the technical and political advantages that FMS offers.”

Mr. Panetta echoed this sentiment and seemed keen to spell out the details about the reform of the domestic procurement system for defence sales. In his speech he emphasised that specific reforms with the U.S. bureaucracy would include “better anticipating [U.S. allies’] needs ahead of time, fast-tracking priority sales, and incorporating U.S. exportability requirements up front in the development process.”

He added that a new Special Defence Acquisition Fund would permit the Pentagon to begin procuring long-lead, high demand items in anticipation of requests by the U.S.’ partners and they had also built “Expeditionary Requirements Generation Teams” that send acquisitions experts abroad to “help allies better define and better streamline their requests.” Additionally a proposed Defence Coalition Repair Fund “will allow us to repair equipment in anticipation of partner requests,” the Secretary noted.

As top Pentagon officials have repeatedly noted, India-U.S. defence ties have deepened in recent years. India now holds more than 50 annual military exercises with the U.S., more than any other country; cumulative defence sales have grown from near-zero to more than $8 billion; and high-level exchanges on defence issues also have increased dramatically.

However, sustained momentum on this front may require not just clarity around the rules of the road and transparency about U.S. procurement reforms. It may call for a good measure of patience whenever India chooses a more cautious approach towards specific transactions.

Perhaps after the MMRCA disappointment the Pentagon and State Department are more aware of this need for cautious optimism. Mr. Shapiro said earlier this month, “Going forward, there [are] a number of tenders which we hope we’re successful on, including a tender for Apache helicopters. And we continue to advocate for them, and we’re hopeful that we’ll be successful on a number of sales over the coming year with India.”

The Hindu : News / International : U.S. push for more defence sales to India
 
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C-130 J Aircrafts,C-17 globe master, Javelin Anti-Tank Missiles, Ah-64d apache , P-8I Poseidon Martime Patrol aircrafts.
These are all confirmed orders.

I would like to see Black hawk helicopters, F-15 silent eagles in Indian aresenal.

Please Note: some members have some difference in my opinion regading replacement of Mig-27 aircraft with F-15 Silent eagles.


LONG LIVE INDO US Friendship.
 
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C-130 J Aircrafts,C-17 globe master, Javelin Anti-Tank Missiles, Ah-64d apache , P-8I Poseidon Martime Patrol aircrafts.
These are all confirmed orders.

I would like to see Black hawk helicopters, F-15 silent eagles in Indian aresenal.

Please Note: some members have some difference in my opinion regading replacement of Mig-27 aircraft with F-15 Silent eagles.


LONG LIVE INDO US Friendship.

count me in, we cannot break Russian monopoly in Indian arms market & give that to the US, we should only buy from US those systems which cannot be made available by other countries & are for certain special objectives like the C-130s for the special forces, India should never buy weapons which are sanctions prone such as a fighter jet. AMCA will replace mig-27s in the future & no other aircraft.
 
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C-130 J Aircrafts,C-17 globe master, Javelin Anti-Tank Missiles, Ah-64d apache , P-8I Poseidon Martime Patrol aircrafts.
These are all confirmed orders.

I would like to see Black hawk helicopters, F-15 silent eagles in Indian aresenal.

Please Note: some members have some difference in my opinion regading replacement of Mig-27 aircraft with F-15 Silent eagles.


LONG LIVE INDO US Friendship.
Why should we buy F15s??????????
US restrictions are not worth it, they controll our arsenal even in war times
 
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Yeah Indian public opinion should not get too cozy with the United States. US, in the end has to and will always look after its own interests and so will India. On top of that the US is a very unpredictable powerful goliath.

I personally think US will begin pushing back on India after this decade. It is not in the interest of the US navy to allow the Indian navy to become dominant over it in the Indian ocean. This is not suprising since the Indian ocean is the world's energy inter state--and therefore one of the keys to global power. The more likely scenario is one in which the Indian and the US navies find mutual benefits in working together to patrol the Indian ocean. But this would require India to partially accede its policy independence.
 
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There used to be a time when American governments thought very poorly of India.

Back in the 60's when Indira Gandhi visited the US, a popular newspaper highlighted it with the title "Indian prime minister comes begging".

Lyndon B ( President of the USA) treated her condescendingly and is reported to have made racist remarks about the Indian nation.

He even toyed with the idea of sending 1000 farm workers to India to 'teach them how to farm'.
 
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Mind you they weren't very friendly towards anyone who was a non white. But that is irrelevant in foreign policy. They worked fantastically with Korea and Japan because it was in their national interest. Now it sees India(somewhat) in the same manner.
 
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There used to be a time when American governments thought very poorly of India.

Back in the 60's when Indira Gandhi visited the US, a popular newspaper highlighted it with the title "Indian prime minister comes begging".

Lyndon B ( President of the USA) treated her condescendingly and is reported to have made racist remarks about the Indian nation.

He even toyed with the idea of sending 1000 farm workers to India to 'teach them how to farm'.

Thing is; India's thought of as a joke worldwide... Same condition as in the 60's.
 
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Indian MOD & govt. are playing all it's move cleverly w.r.t arms purchase & why not we are the world's largest importer & this is a buyer's market so we should apply our leverage in that respect.

US - it is on the top spot as far as the question of transport fleet is concerned, so India placed orders for C-130s & C-17s.

France - our trusted partner & Rafale was no doubt the best bet of mmrca, again well played move by India.

Russia - as far as weapon sale to India is concerned Russia had near monopoly & still is the largest supplier, 5th gen fighters could only had been possible with Russian help, so good move to join FGFA & also lease a nuke sub.

Israel - in certain specific areas, Israelis are far ahead than others, such as AWACS, avionics, etc.

+ apart from all these arms import MOD is trying hard to make stronger our local defence production, IN certainly lead this field with slowly but surely IAF & IA following the suit.
 
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Thing is; India's thought of as a joke worldwide... Same condition as in the 60's.

Not really, and besides, yours is a very surprising comment considering your nationality.

At any rate, my point was that we as a nation musn't get too cozy with anyone in particular. Everyone has their own interests and we must keep ours in mind when giving concessions to a superior power seeking alliance with us.
 
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why is any of this news surprising or noteworthy? we all know india is the chosen pawn for the games between real superpowers of the world, india is and was the obvious choice to co-opt into this clash of civilisations, so ofcourse they will get buttered up and built up...then eventually cut down to size.

i can actually see a bit of a mirror with the old us/pakistan relationship, except that was mostly military to military, whereas since india has stronger democratic institutions it can form much deeper alliance, also a shared common basis of having a historical grudge against islam.
 
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why is any of this news surprising or noteworthy? we all know india is the chosen pawn for the games between real superpowers of the world, india is and was the obvious choice to co-opt into this clash of civilisations, so ofcourse they will get buttered up and built up...then eventually cut down to size.

i can actually see a bit of a mirror with the old us/pakistan relationship, except that was mostly military to military, whereas since india has stronger democratic institutions it can form much deeper alliance, also a shared common basis of having a historical grudge against islam.

Even if we have a grudge against islam (which we don't), what has that to do with being a pawn between superpowers? I can't really think of any islamic superpowers, can you? So how it is relevant?

Anyway India is not going to fight other people's war, India is ot going to allow foreign troops or airbases in its territory, India is buying weapons to defend India. It is funny to hear pakistanis saying India is merica's pawn, when it is their country that has american military and intelligence personnel all over their country, and american airbases, and an army that fights america's war.
 
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