U.S. officials say Pakistani spy agency released Afghan Taliban insurgents

[ajpirzada]

Not at all.. The internal issues of India are very different from Pakistan's (though the external threats are similar). The problem of Naxals is not infectious in nature.. Meaning it is not causing the other countries any problem.. Unlike the kind festering in the ungoverned Af - Pak border region which has become a training ground for terror groups extending reach all over the world in US, Europe, Russia, India etc

before 9/11, af- pak border region was not a problem for any third country. as far as 9/11 in concerned, well those guys took their flight training either in US or some other western country, money came from middle east and calls were made from some European countries. as far as OBL is concerned, he was a roaming duck who could have been anywhere in the world. so technically al qaeda is an international network and is not in anyway a mess created by Af pak.

 

[Ahmad]

And how misinformed could you be. The talibans as a group came into existence after the Russian withdrawal. And as far as the Afghani lives that were destroyed, well I don't see you guys running your mouth about the NA who were equally as corrupt and brutal. Why because they served the Indian interest. So Hypocrisy is the best trait and practised well by you guys.

and the same NA(majority of them) were created by Pakistan and once were serving the interests of Pakistan, i wonder why all or majority of human rights abusers come out of pakistan's sleves. And not to mention the once Pakistani Puppet Gulbudin Hekmatyar who generousely destroyed kabul with his rocket firing and caused thousands of deaths.

 

[T-Faz]

When they were Freedom Fighters.

 

[T-Faz]

Rambo joins the freedom fighters, when they were friends.

 

[karan.1970]

no. taliban is a creation of civil unrest in afghanistan. not the other way round. they didnt lead to violence but violence paved the way for them to enter into power. now their strict way of governing is a different thing.

US is to be blamed for their killings as they did not enter the region to save afghans but to avenge 9/11 in which no afghan national was involved. and this despite the willingness of taliban to handover osama bin ladin if proven guilty in a neutral court possibly saudi arabia.

The point is this.. Taliban sheltered the person US believed was responsible for 9/11. By the sheer size, 9/11 was not a run of the mill crime and expecting USA to prove what they knew (and later OBL claimed responsibility for the same) and wait till then while the perpetrators of the event lived free in Afghanistan was at best stupidity and at worst a planned offer which was dead before it was made.. 9/11 was as bad as declaration of war by OBL on America and Taliban by sheltering him, got pulled into the war. At that time, they were the rulers in Afghanistan and by that definition Afghanistan was at war with USA.. In a state of war (declared or undeclared) you cant expect a warring party to as cognizant of collatoral damage..

On the other hand, Taliban were ruling Afghanistan for about a decade till US came in and dislodged them. And the brutality they displayed towards their own, can not be compared with damage caused by US during the war..

Where Taliban orginated and how they came into power is a he said, she said and will not lead anywhere..

 

[Aslan]

and the same NA(majority of them) were created by Pakistan and once were serving the interests of Pakistan, i wonder why all or majority of human rights abusers come out of pakistan's sleves. And not to mention the once Pakistani Puppet Gulbudin Hekmatyar who generousely destroyed kabul with his rocket firing and caused thousands of deaths.

Yet again why should we have created them at the first place. It was the incompetence of the Afghanis and due to their mistakes that the Russians ended up in Afghanistan and not our fault that we were forced to deal with it. Yet when we were hosting millions of Afghans as refugies, KHAD along with every one knows who was busy bombing Pakistani cities. Yes we supported the Afghan Mujahidins, but the price that we ended up paying for it was high in revenue men and material. Also the amount of drugs that was floated into Pakistan via Afghanistan. And also what did we get out of it people like you who would rather die then appreciate that it was due to Pakistanis support that many of you guys survived. And about the incidents that you have mentioned, well they at the end of the day were still Afghanis were they not.

 

[ajpirzada]

The point is this.. Taliban sheltered the person US believed was responsible for 9/11. By the sheer size, 9/11 was not a run of the mill crime and expecting USA to prove what they knew (and later OBL claimed responsibility for the same) and wait till then while the perpetrators of the event lived free in Afghanistan was at best stupidity and at worst a planned offer which was dead before it was made.. 9/11 was as bad as declaration of war by OBL on America and Taliban by sheltering him, got pulled into the war. At that time, they were the rulers in Afghanistan and by that definition Afghanistan was at war with USA.. In a state of war (declared or undeclared) you cant expect a warring party to as cognizant of collatoral damage..

On the other hand, Taliban were ruling Afghanistan for about a decade till US came in and dislodged them. And the brutality they displayed towards their own, can not be compared with damage caused by US during the war..

Where Taliban orginated and how they came into power is a he said, she said and will not lead anywhere..

well i have only got one word for this. and that is arrogance. if taliban were willing to hand over OBL to US if proven guilty in a neutral court then there is nothing left to complain about. and today if US is stuck in afghanistan there is no one to blame but their arrogance. they are only gettin humiliated at the hands of some rag tag ppl.

again US killing thousands of civilian to show the world their might is not any less worse than taliban imposing a strict rule on their population.

 

[Ahmad]

Yet again why should we have created them at the first place. It was the incompetence of the Afghanis and due to their mistakes that the Russians ended up in Afghanistan and not our fault that we were forced to deal with it. Yet when we were hosting millions of Afghans as refugies, KHAD along with every one knows who was busy bombing Pakistani cities. Yes we supported the Afghan Mujahidins, but the price that we ended up paying for it was high in revenue men and material. Also the amount of drugs that was floated into Pakistan via Afghanistan. And also what did we get out of it people like you who would rather die then appreciate that it was due to Pakistanis support that many of you guys survived. And about the incidents that you have mentioned, well they at the end of the day were still Afghanis were they not.

ISI was busy supporting the mujahideen in afghanistan and KHAD was retaliating to that. if supporting mujahideen and refugees caused you problems, then you shouldnt have supported them, dont moan about it. i just wanted to tell you that the same NA you guys bash all the time, they are the same people that you created and thats it.

by the way, afghans have become such a soft target nowdays, that everybody puts all their problems on afghans. it is good by pakistani authorities to escape accountabilty by bringing afghans in the middle.

 

[karan.1970]

YouTube - RAMBO III - Alternate Ending Expanded (Rambo Joins Taliban)

Rambo joins the freedom fighters, when they were friends.

So how do you distinguish between the Taliban and the existing Afghinastan govt in this movie.. The way most of the world looks at it, is that out of the over all Afghanistan resistence movement, the dirt got together as Taliban and and were supported by Pakistan to overthrow the govt in Afghanistan after soviets were defeated..

What you are doing here is associating taliban with the whole Afghanistan resistence and trying to legitimize Taliban's activities post soviet occupation by linking them to the activities of that larger group during the soviet occupation..

 

[JonAsad]

Sympathizing and/or apologizing with barbarians makes you a barbarian.

Kashmiri ppl call you barbarians and so does naxalites .. different ppl different perception nothing more mate. Cheers

 

[JonAsad]

So it is strategy to back Taliban. Good to know.

lol i didnt know u were so naive

 

[karan.1970]

before 9/11, af- pak border region was not a problem for any third country. as far as 9/11 in concerned, well those guys took their flight training either in US or some other western country, money came from middle east and calls were made from some European countries. as far as OBL is concerned, he was a roaming duck who could have been anywhere in the world. so technically al qaeda is an international network and is not in anyway a mess created by Af pak.

Because at that time, the Af - Pak border region was not restricted to the border and started from NWFP and extended all the way throught Afghaistan and was ruled by these same terrorists with explicit support of Pakistan. And 9/11 was a significant problem for a third country.

Also the origins can not justify the acts throughout their life.. Afghan Mujahids were supported to fight against the soviets who had conquered Afghanistan. That does not give a blanket right to a splinter group of the larger resistence movement to terrorize the region long after the need for resistence movement is over..

Hitler's father can not be blamed for world war II just because he gave birth to Hitler..

 

[JonAsad]

Well sir yes they are barbarians and with out a shadow of doubt, but then the US official that is crying foul is part of the same gov that is trying to strike a deal with the same barbarians. And unfortunately in today's world national interests are held above any thing else. The same people who are whining about Pakistan's association with the Taliban will not waste a sec defending their countries association with them if it serves their interest, that is keeping Pakistan weak. Pakistan should ensure that the talibans are kept in check in Pakistan and in Afghanistan, but at the same time their own position is not compromised. It will take alot of time to achieve. And the mess at the first place is not of our making as our dear neighbours love to blame us for it all the time. It was their darling USSR that created the whole mess with the Americans and the Pakistanis coming in it latter. And we had to be in it completely by default, as you guys like to defend your association with the war of 71 by saying that the influx of refuges forced you guys to interfere like wise. We had a bigger problem on hand not only we had millions of Afghans coming into our country also we were threatened with occupation if we had not kept the Russians in check in Afghanistan. So it was not a marriage of choice for us but rather a marriage of convenience. And alas if we had left Afghanistan to its own after the Russian withdrawal the Indians had been playing a dirtier game there just to pin us down. So in essence you guys your self are not such saints as you would like your self to be believed as.

you have very strong points but i suggest you write them in bullet points... long para makes readers bored....

 

[Aslan]

ISI was busy supporting the mujahideen in afghanistan and KHAD was retaliating to that.

So ISI was busy supporting the Mujahidins who were fighting the Russians and yet you are defending the KHAD who along with the indians and the ruskies were busy blowing up soft targets. Bravo on your ignorance.

if supporting mujahideen and refugees caused you problems, then you shouldnt have supported them, dont moan about it. i just wanted to tell you that the same NA you guys bash all the time, they are the same people that you created and thats it.

I am not moaning about it. it is easy for you to say this now, why don't you write a letter to the drug lords who are sitting at the realm of affairs in Kabul and ask them to take in the more then 3 million Afghans that are still in Pakistan. And also to seal the border. Baat karni aati hai, but if someone does some for you guys then you cry. So basically we were domed if we didn't help you then and so are we when we did. The same NA was busy killing the Afghans and fighting among them selves after the Russians left. And one more time, we didn't create any thing we supported the groups that were fighting the Russians, so did the British and the Americans and the Saudis. Why do we have to listen to your and every tom d!ck and harries whining when it comes to the Afghan Mujahidins and the Talibs. Why blame only us.

by the way, afghans have become such a soft target nowdays, that everybody puts all their problems on afghans. it is good by pakistani authorities to escape accountabilty by bringing afghans in the middle.

Yeah right, the last time I checked that it was the Pakistanis who are the soft terrorist target of the whole world. A fire cracker went off some where first target Pakistan. Its more like a punching bag. And we in part are taking the blows that to you guys. So its you who need to smell the relax and look back at things may be you will see that we as Pakistanis are not as evil as you try to portray them.

And one more thing, you can deny the reality as much as you want to, the fact is that we as Pakistan were and are the victim of this ongoing mess. We didn't want to be a part of it, we were dragged into it. And partially the responsibility of it lies on top of the Afghanis as well. When the influx of refuges began Pakistanis were acquainted to the AK 47's whole sale bombings, destroyed economy, drugs, Mafia. And yes ask any one majority of these things came from Afghanis. And shame on you to stand here and defend the action of KHAD. But then what can be expected from you.

 

[karan.1970]

again US killing thousands of civilian to show the world their might is not any less worse than taliban imposing a strict rule on their population.

Unlike most of the time, this time I do not agree with you.. Osama attaks US and is sheltered by Taliban puts them directly in conflict with USA. He was not an Afghan citizen and Taliban really didnt have jurisdiction there to demand a neutral court.. If the intent was right, he should have been deported to the country whose citizen he was (Bosnia I think) and Afghanistan would not have had to go thru what it did. But they didnt do that.. Why??

Taliban pulled Afghanistan into a war with USA. Post that complaining about USA causing civilian deaths is naive.. India and Pakistan were in a state of war thrice and there were civilian deaths in bombing raids, border bombardments. We dont complain about that to each other about causing civilian deaths at that time.. USA and Afghanistan are no different...