U.S. officials say Pakistani spy agency released Afghan Taliban insurgents

[ice_man]

Till the date you believe there's real Taliban and a not so real Taliban, you'll never be able to progress and will be recognized(by west) as a rogue nation.

They are all the same.

very weird! the US and Afghanistan are crying that we caught the number 2 taliban leader MULLAH ABDUL BARADAR! they want to get cosy and in bed with taliban but when we say ok we got no issue with afghan taliban people start crying!!

why does the world forget that the enemy in WOT is AL QAEDA! Taliban were in power & were overthrown they are fighting an outside agressor! they never funded aided the al qaeda!

convinently the WOT on terror has shifted from war on al qaeda to war on afghan taliban! (before indians come back with the usual line of pakistan taliban THOSE ARE NOT TALIBAN THOSE ARE INDIAN AIDED CRONIES)!

from tomorrow you might call yourself taliban too that doesn't make you an afghan taliban? does it now?

 

[Aslan]

what are they fighting for? US withdrawal?

Background of the Taliban's rise to power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The above will give u some idea of how things came into existence. As far as their fight with the US goes. Well its any ones guess, tom they might just shake hands with the Americans if they are offered a good package.

 

[karan.1970]

Yeah we support taliban and will continue to support them ... its in our national interest ... one day america will leave afghanistan .. we need allies on both sides mate ... strategy

You are actually discrediting all the jawans and officers of Pakistan Army who have died fighting these talibans in your NWFP region.. Yeah Yeah, I know this will bring forward your lame classification of Good vs bad taliban and TTP never being part of Taliban etc.. But that is as self defeating as classifying cancer as good cancer and bad cancer. Both of them kill you....

 

[karan.1970]

taliban are not one. there are afghan talibans and pakistani talibans. they both help each other on occasional basis but their ideology and political goals are very different. now looking at afghan talibans, again there are three sub taliban groups. mullah omar taliban, haqqani taliban and hikmatyar taliban. their goal is to kick invading forces out of afghanistan so that they could rule their respective areas under the dummy leadership of mullah omar.

now speaking about who is gud and who is bad well they are all gud and all bad for different countries.
pakistani talibans are gud for india.
afghan talibans are gud for pakistan.
anyone who is ready to not fight with US is gud for them.
and anyone who ready to fight with US is gud for Iran at least in short run.

Just bracketing all these groups together and treating them as same group will never solve the problem.

at the end of the day all these talibans are fundamentalist terrorists.. Backing extremists in the long run have not helped anyone.. Whether it was US backing contras in Lat Am or Mujahids in Afghanistan, or Pakistan backing Taliban in Afghanistan or India backing LTTE. The problem is that with so many examples in front of it, Pakistani establishment refuses to learn from others' mistakes. I mean look at Pakistani economy before it entered this mess.. and I am not talking 2007.. The rot started much before that.. 2007 just brought it to fore...

 

[karan.1970]

and those warlords sitting in the current gov are a tool to drive away talibans. no one is clean in this power game. look at the human rights record of those in gov and then tell me if they are any better than taliban.
its only interest which is dictating the power game in afghanistan and nothing else. if u wanna talk about civillian killings, US is very much ahead of taliban.

All false flag operations aside, the Taliban committed the Afghan civilians to death and destruction when they supported the players of 9/11..

US being the entity with whome they are at war, can not be blamed to the same extent for civilian deaths in collateral damage, as the Taliban who use killing civilians as a part of enforcing their will in the country ruled by them

 

[T-Faz]

Here are some pictures if Hamid Gul with Haqqani, Hekmatyar, Massoud and many other mujahideen. Many of whom become the taliban latter on. Also present CIA, Charlie Wilson, Chinese Diplomat and Benazir Bhutto. This is during the USSR invasion of Afghanistan.

General Hamid Gul’s old pictures in Afghanistan

Funny how the USA did not mind them then when they needed them. And India did not liberate or help the people of Afghanistan but instead was involved in bombing in Pakistan with RAW and KHAD.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Stop your hegemonic ambitions and stop looking for "strategic depth" in Afghanistan. Just let Afghanistan become stable for once.

cant agree with you on this note , you know if we dont , then our rivals will use that land to forment trouble inside Pakistani territory , Like in the case of ?Baloch insurgency sponcered by some anti Pakistani forces operating inside Afghanistan..!

 

[karan.1970]

cant agree with you on this note , you know if we dont , then our rivals will use that land to forment trouble inside Pakistani territory , Like in the case of ?Baloch insurgency sponcered by some anti Pakistani forces operating inside Afghanistan..!

unjust justifications .. It means every country should destabalize their neighbours to have covert and overt influence.. Where does it stop.. ??

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Even if they do in an alternate universe, it is their concern and we should seek to nullify any negative consequences of such support but not seek to support them ourselves, ideologically or any other means.

" Countries are like Beasts looking out for their interests only Henery Kissinger"

Frankly how can you nulify that negative impact . Do you think Nato with current troop strength is here in Afghanistan for the purpose of Nation Building and making Afghanistan a stable country . Just see the UN figures for rise of Drug and Norcotics buisness in Afghanistan, It has qudrapeled since the Invation and still rising(Thanks to the puppet government of Hamid Karzai ). How do you expect the Afghanistan to become stable . With the Russians , Iranians , Indians and Saudis and Pakistanis and Americans, each entity fighting to foster their interest. The future of Afghanistan is Dark unfortunately and theres is no way US or Nato has the potential to carve this land according to their wish and then call it a stable country . Those who say it in public are the biggest liars and hypocrits on this plannet .

Indeed Pakistan has suffered due to the support of some Jihadi Elements and Religious fanatics. But , by compleetely ignoring wats happenning beyond the durand line Pakistan can never eradicate extreemism and achieve peace along the reagion bordering afghanistan and hence no matter how hard the Security forces fight to liberate these lands from these Irhabists , theres always a possibility for them to take refuge in afganistan,where they will be harbored by our enemies, and then return back to formant trouble in our lands .Pakistan has a history in afghanistan , it cannot simply rollback what has been achieved over the last two decades in just one night .
After all this achievent was one of the factors why Uncle Sam cared to have a strategik Dialogue with Pakistan

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

unjust justifications .. It means every country should destabalize their neighbours to have covert and overt influence.. Where does it stop.. ??

not ment to destablize the neighbours, but to take steps , so that land could not become a trouble for your country ..isnt every body has come to
afghanistan for that purpose ?? Of course a Destablized neighbour is more dangerous but a land which bears Exteemism harboured by your enemies can be fatal..!

 

[ahmed_naj]

Yes.. but the focus is never single minded.. The threat to national security from West is as dangerous for INdia if not more.. So cant be blinded to one looking at another..

Good, I see you now know how Pakistan feels.

Stop your hegemonic ambitions and stop looking for "strategic depth" in Afghanistan. Just let Afghanistan become stable for once.

we weren't the ones that executed operation storm-333, as for hegemonic ambitions we aren't the ones buying aircraft carriers. Visit the 'defining strategic depth' thread for what it actually means.

 

[karan.1970]

not ment to destablize the neighbours, but to take steps , so that land could not become a trouble for your country ..isnt every body has come to
afghanistan for that purpose ?? Of course a Destablized neighbour is more dangerous but a land which bears Exteemism harboured by your enemies can be fatal..!

The 2 ways to do that are diplomacy and war. The middleroad of making civilians hostage or targets boomerangs more often than not,which is visible today in the Af - Pak region...

 

[karan.1970]

Good, I see you now know how Pakistan feels.

Not at all.. The internal issues of India are very different from Pakistan's (though the external threats are similar). The problem of Naxals is not infectious in nature.. Meaning it is not causing the other countries any problem.. Unlike the kind festering in the ungoverned Af - Pak border region which has become a training ground for terror groups extending reach all over the world in US, Europe, Russia, India etc

 

[ajpirzada]

at the end of the day all these talibans are fundamentalist terrorists.. Backing extremists in the long run have not helped anyone.. Whether it was US backing contras in Lat Am or Mujahids in Afghanistan, or Pakistan backing Taliban in Afghanistan or India backing LTTE. The problem is that with so many examples in front of it, Pakistani establishment refuses to learn from others' mistakes. I mean look at Pakistani economy before it entered this mess.. and I am not talking 2007.. The rot started much before that.. 2007 just brought it to fore...

but no party is wise enough to agree to long term measures. for that you need mutual understanding amongst international players which is very difficult to achieve. easier said than done and the truth is none of us have our interests converging. US wants it stable to gain foot hold in asia. china russia and Iran does not want US to stay here. Pakistan wants india out of this side of our region while india wants to maintain its presence to keep pakistan away from eastern border. see we all want a peaceful afghanistan but for a very different purpose. now this cannot be achieved. and if you try to apply Game Theory to it, we all will be the ultimate losers.

about our economy, well security situation is only one factor. i would rather blame musharraf for dragging this unwilling pakistani population into this war as a main cause of this problem. but this will take this thread in a totally different direction. therefore i will stop myself from going any further.

 

[ajpirzada]

All false flag operations aside, the Taliban committed the Afghan civilians to death and destruction when they supported the players of 9/11..

US being the entity with whome they are at war, can not be blamed to the same extent for civilian deaths in collateral damage, as the Taliban who use killing civilians as a part of enforcing their will in the country ruled by them

no. taliban is a creation of civil unrest in afghanistan. not the other way round. they didnt lead to violence but violence paved the way for them to enter into power. now their strict way of governing is a different thing.

US is to be blamed for their killings as they did not enter the region to save afghans but to avenge 9/11 in which no afghan national was involved. and this despite the willingness of taliban to handover osama bin ladin if proven guilty in a neutral court possibly saudi arabia.