U.S. Navy's new $13B aircraft carrier can't fight

[Ultima Thule]

The Type 055 has an integrated mast, it has dual band AESA on the superstructure and a L band on the back.

Flight III looks disappointing without an integrated mast.

integrated mast doesn't mean Type 055 is more advanced than AB flight111 what stupid logic you have

 

[Oldman1]

Dunno, Zumwalt still hasn't been installed with the AESA, given the fact that this ship has been built for 8 years.

We shall give the USN more time with the Flight III, since you guys still self-proclaims to be the most efficient navy builder, isn't it?

Oh don't worry, the U.S. still is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Zumwalt
AN/SPY-3 Multi-Function Radar (MFR) (X-band, scanned array)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SPY-3

The AN/SPY-3 is an active electronically scanned array radar manufactured by Raytheon and designed for both blue-water and littoral[1] operations.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

integrated mast doesn't mean Type 055 is more advanced than AB flight111 what stupid logic you have

The Type 055 has mature radar upgraded from the Type 052D, while the Flight III has no previous experience with AESA.

According to your logic, China couldn't beat the US in the supercomputer race and couldn't surpass them in the hypersonic weapons.

 

[Oldman1]

Well, just look at Mr. Zumwalt.



More powerful than imagined?

The Type 055 is 12,000 tons standard and 14,000 tons full, it has more room to install a more powerful radar than the 9,800 tons Flight III. And the Type 055B is going to be 15,000+ tons full.

Don't forget that the 7,500 tons Type 052D has more powerful radar than the 9,200 tons Flight IIA.

Please, don't base the tonnage as to how powerful it is. That be like saying the Chinese new coast guard ships are more powerful than our destroyers cause they are getting bigger. The new radar is being introduce is extremely powerful even for its size.

Don't worry, all Chinese shipyards are absolutely giant when it comes to the mass production.

While Newport shipyard isn't a particular giant in comparison.

Its a giant when building most of our navy.

China is building strong navy + space superiority.

Only having the air superiority isn't enough.

Umm yeah, you think the U.S. was sitting still.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Oh don't worry, the U.S. still is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Zumwalt
AN/SPY-3 Multi-Function Radar (MFR) (X-band, scanned array)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SPY-3

The AN/SPY-3 is an active electronically scanned array radar manufactured by Raytheon and designed for both blue-water and littoral[1] operations.

The Arleigh Burke hull design is old, it is going to reach its limitation.

The basic Type 055 is 14,000 tons full, while basic AB is 8,300 tons full with much less sophisticate hull design.

I am quite sure that the USN is soon going to find a replacement for the underpowered AB, but it is not going to be Zumwalt.

 

[Oldman1]

The Type 055 has mature radar upgraded from the Type 052D, while the Flight III has no previous experience with AESA.

According to your logic, China couldn't beat the US in the supercomputer race and couldn't surpass them in the hypersonic weapons.

Right. Because the Flight III hasn't been built you assuming we have no experience in radar or even AESA.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Please, don't base the tonnage as to how powerful it is. That be like saying the Chinese new coast guard ships are more powerful than our destroyers cause they are getting bigger. The new radar is being introduce is extremely powerful even for its size.

Well, not just the tonnage, otherwise Kirov is still going to the be king.

The Type 055 has upgraded dual band AESA, more powerful gas turbine than the upgraded LM-2500, the largest advanced VLS. And with a more advanced hull design.

This tells everything.

Its a giant when building most of our navy.

You have been started much earlier, while we have just started, but giving us a decade, we can shock the world.

 

[Oldman1]

The Arleigh Burke hull design is old, it is going to reach its limitation.

The basic Type 055 is 14,000 tons full, while basic AB is 8,300 tons full with much less sophisticate hull design.

I am quite sure that the USN is soon going to find a replacement for the underpowered AB, but it is not going to be Zumwalt.

Underpowered? LOL! Trust me, the engineers knows how to provide power for the new radar.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Umm yeah, you think the U.S. was sitting still.

Yep, but China has accomplished the Mach 10 level hypersonic weapon, we have already started the Mach 20 level.

While the US has absolutely failed the Mach 20 level, now you have to restart with the Mach 5 level.

Right. Because the Flight III hasn't been built you assuming we have no experience in radar or even AESA.

China has already a decade of AESA experience.

Don't try to use those European countries as an excuse, since their AESA is small, not four giant panels like US/China.

 

[Oldman1]

Well, not just the tonnage, otherwise Kirov is still going to the be king.

The Type 055 has upgraded dual band AESA, more powerful gas turbine than the upgraded LM-2500, the largest advanced VLS. And with a more advanced hull design.

This tells everything.



You have been started much earlier, while we have just started, but giving us a decade, we can shock the world.

Well you can shock the world just as you said by catching up.

I'll let you read the info on the new Flight III.

https://news.usni.org/2016/05/01/bath-iron-works-will-build-first-flight-iii-arleigh-burke-ddg

The first Flight III Arleigh Burke guided missile destroyer will be built at General Dynamics Bath Iron Works, according to a Sunday statement from the Navy to USNI News.

Last week, the Navy issued a pre-solicitation notice on FedBizOpps stating the service intended to issue a Request for Proposal to Bath Iron Works for a Burke DDG “and associated supplies and services which are anticipated to be delivered in the Flight III configuration,” read the notice.

The ship will feature the first operational installation of the Raytheon AN/SPY-6 Air and Missile Defense Radar (AMDR) – an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar that promises to be 30 times more powerful than the AN/SPY-1 air search radar on the current Flight IIA Burkes.

The first Flight III will be the third DDG funded in 2016 following $1 billion Congress set aside for the third hull in last year’s defense bill. The service had intended to build two destroyers in 2016 but the additional funds Congress included prompted the Navy to ask for an additional $433 million in its Fiscal Year 2017 unfunded requirements list to complete the third 2016 hull.

“We’re budgeted for two Flight IIAs plus one Flight III mod. We awarded two Flight IIAs and we still have the balance of funding for the Flight III mod. And now we’re waiting to get this additional FY 16 ship in hand in a timely manner to award the ECP for this [third] ship,” Sean Stackley, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition told USNI News following an April 7 hearing before the Senate armed services seapower committee.
“If we can’t get this ship in a timely manner then we’ll have to modify one of the two that are already under contract.”

In addition to the SPY-6, the changes to the design will increase the power available on the ship by three Rolls Royce 3-megawatt generators on the Flight IIA ships with Rolls Royce’s 4-megawatt generator in the same footprint on the ship.


The electrical grid on the ship will also be upgraded from the 450-volt configuration to a 4,160-volt grid which will lead to additional design changes.


Bath getting the extra Fiscal Year 2016 ship was part of a so-called “swap agreement” between HII and Bath, the Navy said.


“The Navy intends to award the third FY16 DDG 51 ship to Bath Iron Works. This corresponds to the December 2015 long lead time material contract award for LPD 28 to Huntington Ingalls and would be in addition to the currently contracted multiyear ships, subject to congressional authorization and appropriation,” read the Navy statement.


In a Saturday statement Maine Senators Angus King and Susan Collins said, “there is no workforce in the world better positioned to build the first of the Navy’s upgraded destroyers, which will help ensure that the strength of our Navy’s capabilities remain unrivaled.”

The following is the complete Sunday Navy statement on the Flight III program.

In support of the Navy’s plans to introduce Flight III capability in 2016, the Navy issued a pre-solicitation notice for a third DDG 51 ship in FY16, which the Navy intends to deliver in the Flight III configuration. Congress has appropriated approximately $1B towards this additional ship and provided incremental funding authority, thus allowing the Navy to start the process to award the third FY16 ship in advance of receipt of the balance of funds required ($433M identified in the Unfunded Priorities List).

As previously stated, consistent with the “swap agreement,” the Navy intends to award the third FY16 DDG 51 ship to Bath Iron Works. This corresponds to the December 2015 long lead time material contract award for LPD 28 to Huntington Ingalls and would be in addition to the currently contracted multiyear ships, subject to congressional authorization and appropriation.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Underpowered? LOL! Trust me, the engineers knows how to provide power for the new radar.

AB has been upgraded from 8,300 tons to 9,800 tons, while the Type 055 could be upgraded from 14,000 tons to 18,000 tons.

It is like a super baby born with a superior body.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The Type 055 has mature radar upgraded from the Type 052D, while the Flight III has no previous experience with AESA.

According to your logic, China couldn't beat the US in the supercomputer race and couldn't surpass them in the hypersonic weapons.

they had lot of design EXPERIENCE since WW2 either to airforce, either to their navy or army and for china they start to build your modern airforce, navy, army since mid 90's, so who is better definitely USA, don't overestimate youself and who build first AESA 'CHINA' don't live in your fairy tales Mr

 

[Oldman1]

Yep, but China has accomplished the Mach 10 level hypersonic weapon, we have already started the Mach 20 level.

While the US has absolutely failed the Mach 20 level, now you have to restart with the Mach 5 level.

I could say the same thing as you guys failed to blow up satellites from your destroyers or launch an unmanned spacecraft in space.

China has already a decade of AESA experience.

Don't try to use those European countries as an excuse, since their AESA is small, not four giant panels like US/China.

So what?
A decade?

How long as AESA been introduced?

AB has been upgraded from 8,300 tons to 9,800 tons, while the Type 055 could be upgraded from 14,000 tons to 18,000 tons.

It is like a super baby born with a superior body.

I don't even care.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well you can shock the world just as you said by catching up.

I'll let you read the info on the new Flight III.

https://news.usni.org/2016/05/01/bath-iron-works-will-build-first-flight-iii-arleigh-burke-ddg

The first Flight III Arleigh Burke guided missile destroyer will be built at General Dynamics Bath Iron Works, according to a Sunday statement from the Navy to USNI News.

Last week, the Navy issued a pre-solicitation notice on FedBizOpps stating the service intended to issue a Request for Proposal to Bath Iron Works for a Burke DDG “and associated supplies and services which are anticipated to be delivered in the Flight III configuration,” read the notice.

The ship will feature the first operational installation of the Raytheon AN/SPY-6 Air and Missile Defense Radar (AMDR) – an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar that promises to be 30 times more powerful than the AN/SPY-1 air search radar on the current Flight IIA Burkes.

The first Flight III will be the third DDG funded in 2016 following $1 billion Congress set aside for the third hull in last year’s defense bill. The service had intended to build two destroyers in 2016 but the additional funds Congress included prompted the Navy to ask for an additional $433 million in its Fiscal Year 2017 unfunded requirements list to complete the third 2016 hull.

“We’re budgeted for two Flight IIAs plus one Flight III mod. We awarded two Flight IIAs and we still have the balance of funding for the Flight III mod. And now we’re waiting to get this additional FY 16 ship in hand in a timely manner to award the ECP for this [third] ship,” Sean Stackley, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition told USNI News following an April 7 hearing before the Senate armed services seapower committee.
“If we can’t get this ship in a timely manner then we’ll have to modify one of the two that are already under contract.”

In addition to the SPY-6, the changes to the design will increase the power available on the ship by three Rolls Royce 3-megawatt generators on the Flight IIA ships with Rolls Royce’s 4-megawatt generator in the same footprint on the ship.


The electrical grid on the ship will also be upgraded from the 450-volt configuration to a 4,160-volt grid which will lead to additional design changes.


Bath getting the extra Fiscal Year 2016 ship was part of a so-called “swap agreement” between HII and Bath, the Navy said.


“The Navy intends to award the third FY16 DDG 51 ship to Bath Iron Works. This corresponds to the December 2015 long lead time material contract award for LPD 28 to Huntington Ingalls and would be in addition to the currently contracted multiyear ships, subject to congressional authorization and appropriation,” read the Navy statement.


In a Saturday statement Maine Senators Angus King and Susan Collins said, “there is no workforce in the world better positioned to build the first of the Navy’s upgraded destroyers, which will help ensure that the strength of our Navy’s capabilities remain unrivaled.”

The following is the complete Sunday Navy statement on the Flight III program.

In support of the Navy’s plans to introduce Flight III capability in 2016, the Navy issued a pre-solicitation notice for a third DDG 51 ship in FY16, which the Navy intends to deliver in the Flight III configuration. Congress has appropriated approximately $1B towards this additional ship and provided incremental funding authority, thus allowing the Navy to start the process to award the third FY16 ship in advance of receipt of the balance of funds required ($433M identified in the Unfunded Priorities List).

As previously stated, consistent with the “swap agreement,” the Navy intends to award the third FY16 DDG 51 ship to Bath Iron Works. This corresponds to the December 2015 long lead time material contract award for LPD 28 to Huntington Ingalls and would be in addition to the currently contracted multiyear ships, subject to congressional authorization and appropriation.

Well not shocking the world.

China has handily beaten the US in the supercomputer race, not only we got the fast supercomputer with the indigenous processors, we also got more supercomputers in top 500 than the US.

Giving us like a decade, we can beat the US in a naval race.

The Flight III is born too late, by the time she is deployed, the Type 055B will be around the corner.

The Type 055B is the model that China decides to mount the laser weapons and railgun on it.

they had lot of design EXPERIENCE since WW2 either to airforce, either to their navy or army and for china they start to build your modern airforce, navy, army since mid 90's, so who is better definitely USA, don't overestimate youself and who build first AESA 'CHINA' don't live in your fairy tales Mr

The first country who builds the shipborne AESA is definitely China.

I am talking about the four panels style Aegis, not the European style with a tiny ball on the top.

 

[Oldman1]

Well not shocking the world.

China has handily beaten the US in the supercomputer race, not only we got the fast supercomputer with the indigenous processors, we also got more supercomputers in top 500 than the US.

Giving us like a decade, we can beat the US in a naval race.

The Flight III was born too late, by the time she is deployed, the Type 055B will be around the corner.

The Type 055B is the model that China decides to mount the laser weapons and railgun on it.



The first country who builds the shipborne AESA is definitely China.

I am talking about the four panels style Aegis, not the European style with a tiny ball on the top.

Oh yeah, what happens by next year you lose the supercomputer race. What does that mean?

I highly very doubtful you will beat us in the naval race in a decade.

I don't really care if the Flight III was born late after the Type 55. What matters is that the Flight III will come.

Well thats great, but we already have lasers and railguns being tested and planning to be put on the Zumwalt.