U.S. Intelligence: China Is Building Up Its Capability to Invade Taiwan

[Suika]

Why is this even a threat? After WWII, Taiwan was returned from Japan back to China after losing it for 50 years. However, it slipped through again after 4 years. Fine, at least whoever controlled Taiwan at that time at least pretended to be Chinese. Now, they no longer pretend. It has always been a WTF case for Chinese. The desire of taking it back is even considered a "threat"? Who is threatening whom? Japanese are still enjoying their "glorious" moments during WWII. Your own words are just a perfect example.

20 years ago, I told my Taiwanese friends that the conflict between mainland China and Taiwan is always about Japan. Japan is just hiding behind US but it is the real cause. If US withdrew its power due to whatever reason, it just retreats from the Pacific but Japan is always there. Taking back Taiwan is just the first step to finish the unfinished conflict between the two countries in WWII.

Threat to Taiwanese people themselves. Maybe you don't know or don't remember but when Taiwan was having their first election in 1996, PRC was expressing its anger and making threats and shooting off volleys of rockets into the sea. Sounds pretty threatening to me. China was far too weak at that time so they reasoned they need to make stronger navy. They first started with Type 22 missile boats so as to overwhelm Taiwan Navy but are now moving away from Type 22 missile boats for use of regularly blue water navy for that task. Or at least this Chinese article makes that point.
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中国多艘022导弹艇为何上岸停放 不会退役或将出口

近日，网上出现了一张数艘22型导弹艇停放在岸上船台的照片，引起军迷的广泛关注，22艇过时封存一说占据了主流。虽然从照片中很难看出已经封存，但可以通过22艇的特点和作战任务，来尝试推断其未来走向。

22型是本世纪初期我国大量建造的一型导弹快艇，也可以说是21世纪第一款批量化的全隐身导弹艇，当时，民进党成为了台湾执政党，台独气焰嚣张，对台军事斗争准备迫在眉睫，看一下当时中国海军的家底，唯一具有威胁的，就是两艘刚刚引进的现代级导弹驱逐舰（还未完全形成战斗力），其余驱护舰数量虽然排在世界前列，但以051和053系列的战斗力，无法抗衡台湾的二代舰，更别说海空军的综合实力对抗！因此，针对台独势力和干预势力，短时间内设计建造出成熟可靠又极具针对性的武器装备，就显得迫在眉睫。在这种背景条件下，国内各船厂大量建造了22型导弹艇（约60艘）、072A型登陆舰（约9艘）、073A型登陆舰（约10艘）和074A型登陆艇（约10艘）等舰船。

22型导弹艇最大的特点是采用了高速穿浪双体船型。自上世纪80年代以来，国际上高速双体船得到了迅猛发展，其两侧是由两个瘦削的深V型船体、中间一个主船体构成，这种船型对高速时的阻力和耐波性的改进都非常有利，特别是深V船型对波浪中的失速和运动加速度都有很大的改善。我国从1992年开始对穿浪艇进行跟踪研究，通过数年的努力，把研究理论顺利的转化为了22型这一军品成果，较好的耐波性极其适合在台海作战。

在艇身外形上，整体具有明显的低雷达信号特征，艇尾导弹发射装置巧妙的藏于一体化的艇内，驾驶室的舷窗边缘都做了锯齿化处理来减低雷达波反射，海洋迷彩的涂装有别于所有同类型舰艇，成为我国舰艇中一道亮丽且另类的风景。22型导弹艇的武器装载量大，每艘可以搭载8枚YJ83反舰导弹，超过了当时大多051驱逐舰和053护卫舰的单艘搭载量；作战时，可以利用隐蔽、突袭的狼群战术，实施饱和攻击，在当年特定环境下，可以对台独及其干预势力达到有效的威慑。

时过境迁，如今的两岸军力对比，已经发生了翻天覆地的变化，中国通过数十年坚持不懈的追赶，海空军作战力量已经对台有了压倒性的优势。而对于美国航母编队的阻吓手段，从过去依托的潜艇和快艇等、转变为由火箭军主导的“反舰弹道导弹”成了新的杀手锏，特别是东风-26（DF-26）的出现，射程覆盖关岛甚至迭戈加西亚群岛，使中国拥有了可靠的打击第二岛链固定目标和大型舰艇等目标能力。反观22型导弹艇，受制于用途单一、航程短、依赖数据链、喷水系统维护繁杂、占据编制大等问题，已经明显不适合时下新的作战体系，在海军中的地位和重要性日渐下滑，在近几年的海上演习中，已经很难见到22艇编队的身影，甚至在近海的小规模演练中，也是056型护卫舰占据了主角地位。

以辽宁舰编队的战斗力初步形成，国产首艘航母的即将下水、火箭军的雄厚实力等为依托，中国海军的作战方式也发生了根本变革，特别是近海作战体系，被已经入列30余艘的056型完全占据，22艇被淘汰，成了发展必然。

出航次数减少，还长期泡在水中，对舰艇的寿命是有较大影响的，受海水盐度、湿度、海洋大气等影响，腐蚀会严重威胁22型的使用寿命；喷水推进系统更是有别于传统螺旋桨，需要精细的清除水下部分的附着物及铁锈、并对机电设备进行维护保养，因此，为了减少腐蚀，使舰艇保持原有的性能，才把部分22艇暂存于岸边船台上。对于下步，一部分艇肯定要进行封存，不会提前退役，毕竟服役才十余年，还有一定的使用价值，甚至是改装更换更新反舰导弹的潜力。另外一部分，可以考虑出售给对导弹艇有需求的第三世界国家，从今年的阿布扎比防务展中，中国船贸相关部门首次推出的放大版22艇可以初见端倪。（作者署名：浩汉防务-海边漫步）
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The only way to make a non-threatening campaign to take control of Taiwan is to do so with soft power only. That is with the movies, TV dramas, and money money money. The PRC chairman Xi making a threat at the beginning of the year is just that, a threat.

New Japanese zero will protect Taiwan independence

When China is planning to take Kyushu, then you may speak of the word "threat" about China. Until then, Japan is always a threat to China.

If China gives up claim on Taiwan, gives up claim on the Senkaku islands, and gives up claim on the 9 dash line, China would still be the biggest by far of all Asia countries but all other Asia countries would be able to trust China better. But the claim on Taiwan, the claim on the Senkaku islands, and the 9 dash line are aggressive policies that aim to make China even bigger than it already is. There is no reason for the surrounding countries to accept this. China is making a big mistake.

 

[nang2]

Threat to Taiwanese people themselves. Maybe you don't know or don't remember but when Taiwan was having their first election in 1996, PRC was expressing its anger and making threats and shooting off volleys of rockets into the sea. Sounds pretty threatening to me. China was far too weak at that time so they reasoned they need to make stronger navy. They first started with Type 22 missile boats so as to overwhelm Taiwan Navy but are now moving away from Type 22 missile boats for use of regularly blue water navy for that task. Or at least this Chinese article makes that point.
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中国多艘022导弹艇为何上岸停放 不会退役或将出口

近日，网上出现了一张数艘22型导弹艇停放在岸上船台的照片，引起军迷的广泛关注，22艇过时封存一说占据了主流。虽然从照片中很难看出已经封存，但可以通过22艇的特点和作战任务，来尝试推断其未来走向。

22型是本世纪初期我国大量建造的一型导弹快艇，也可以说是21世纪第一款批量化的全隐身导弹艇，当时，民进党成为了台湾执政党，台独气焰嚣张，对台军事斗争准备迫在眉睫，看一下当时中国海军的家底，唯一具有威胁的，就是两艘刚刚引进的现代级导弹驱逐舰（还未完全形成战斗力），其余驱护舰数量虽然排在世界前列，但以051和053系列的战斗力，无法抗衡台湾的二代舰，更别说海空军的综合实力对抗！因此，针对台独势力和干预势力，短时间内设计建造出成熟可靠又极具针对性的武器装备，就显得迫在眉睫。在这种背景条件下，国内各船厂大量建造了22型导弹艇（约60艘）、072A型登陆舰（约9艘）、073A型登陆舰（约10艘）和074A型登陆艇（约10艘）等舰船。

22型导弹艇最大的特点是采用了高速穿浪双体船型。自上世纪80年代以来，国际上高速双体船得到了迅猛发展，其两侧是由两个瘦削的深V型船体、中间一个主船体构成，这种船型对高速时的阻力和耐波性的改进都非常有利，特别是深V船型对波浪中的失速和运动加速度都有很大的改善。我国从1992年开始对穿浪艇进行跟踪研究，通过数年的努力，把研究理论顺利的转化为了22型这一军品成果，较好的耐波性极其适合在台海作战。

在艇身外形上，整体具有明显的低雷达信号特征，艇尾导弹发射装置巧妙的藏于一体化的艇内，驾驶室的舷窗边缘都做了锯齿化处理来减低雷达波反射，海洋迷彩的涂装有别于所有同类型舰艇，成为我国舰艇中一道亮丽且另类的风景。22型导弹艇的武器装载量大，每艘可以搭载8枚YJ83反舰导弹，超过了当时大多051驱逐舰和053护卫舰的单艘搭载量；作战时，可以利用隐蔽、突袭的狼群战术，实施饱和攻击，在当年特定环境下，可以对台独及其干预势力达到有效的威慑。

时过境迁，如今的两岸军力对比，已经发生了翻天覆地的变化，中国通过数十年坚持不懈的追赶，海空军作战力量已经对台有了压倒性的优势。而对于美国航母编队的阻吓手段，从过去依托的潜艇和快艇等、转变为由火箭军主导的“反舰弹道导弹”成了新的杀手锏，特别是东风-26（DF-26）的出现，射程覆盖关岛甚至迭戈加西亚群岛，使中国拥有了可靠的打击第二岛链固定目标和大型舰艇等目标能力。反观22型导弹艇，受制于用途单一、航程短、依赖数据链、喷水系统维护繁杂、占据编制大等问题，已经明显不适合时下新的作战体系，在海军中的地位和重要性日渐下滑，在近几年的海上演习中，已经很难见到22艇编队的身影，甚至在近海的小规模演练中，也是056型护卫舰占据了主角地位。

以辽宁舰编队的战斗力初步形成，国产首艘航母的即将下水、火箭军的雄厚实力等为依托，中国海军的作战方式也发生了根本变革，特别是近海作战体系，被已经入列30余艘的056型完全占据，22艇被淘汰，成了发展必然。

出航次数减少，还长期泡在水中，对舰艇的寿命是有较大影响的，受海水盐度、湿度、海洋大气等影响，腐蚀会严重威胁22型的使用寿命；喷水推进系统更是有别于传统螺旋桨，需要精细的清除水下部分的附着物及铁锈、并对机电设备进行维护保养，因此，为了减少腐蚀，使舰艇保持原有的性能，才把部分22艇暂存于岸边船台上。对于下步，一部分艇肯定要进行封存，不会提前退役，毕竟服役才十余年，还有一定的使用价值，甚至是改装更换更新反舰导弹的潜力。另外一部分，可以考虑出售给对导弹艇有需求的第三世界国家，从今年的阿布扎比防务展中，中国船贸相关部门首次推出的放大版22艇可以初见端倪。（作者署名：浩汉防务-海边漫步）
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https://mil.sina.cn/sd/2017-03-14/detail-ifychhus1331230.d.html?from=wap


The only way to make a non-threatening campaign to take control of Taiwan is to do so with soft power only. That is with the movies, TV dramas, and money money money. The PRC chairman Xi making a threat at the beginning of the year is just that, a threat.

New Japanese zero will protect Taiwan independence

It is unfortunate that Taiwanese live in a place that belongs to China and is important to China. It is not their fault, just like hundreds of thousands Okinawan civilians who lost their lives in the battle of Okinawa. They lived in a place that was taken by Japanese and used as a stronghold. A place that Americans determined to take. Taiwanese could lessen their unfortunate situation by maintaining the sovereignty of China over Taiwan, even just in name. But if they think they have the every right to rip it from China, whatever happens to them generates no sympathy from me.

 

[Suika]

It is unfortunate that Taiwanese live in a place that belongs to China and is important to China. It is not their fault, just like hundreds of thousands Okinawan civilians who lost their lives in the battle of Okinawa. They lived in a place that was taken by Japanese and used as a stronghold. A place that Americans determined to take. Taiwanese could lessen their unfortunate situation by maintaining the sovereignty of China over Taiwan, even just in name. But if they think they have the every right to rip it from China, whatever happens to them generates no sympathy from me.

Formosa island under native control ==> Spanish and Dutch ==> Ming/Qing ==>Imperial Japan ==> CKS dictatorship ==> Democracy (1996)

So foolish is the foundation of those feelings. Times come and pass. The era of imperialism has passed. The cold war has past. All of China's talk about pursuing peace in the region is all fake if they feel so insecure so as to justify making themselves even bigger. Naturally that comes at the expense of making all the surrounding countries even smaller. It is unacceptable. China is making a mistake.

 

[nang2]

Formosa island under native control ==> Spanish and Dutch ==> Ming/Qing ==>Imperial Japan ==> CKS dictatorship ==> Democracy (1996)

So foolish is the foundation of those feelings. Times come and pass. The era of imperialism has passed. The cold war has past. All of China's talk about pursuing peace in the region is all fake if they feel so insecure so as to justify making themselves even bigger. Naturally that comes at the expense of making all the surrounding countries even smaller. It is unacceptable. China is making a mistake.

So is Japan yet Japanese whine about the loss of Kuril islands to Russians.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Taiwan is a country of freedom of speech. Naturally CCP fanboys are against freedom of speech which is why Taiwan doesn't vote itself into unification with China. If Taiwanese have always been Chinese, why haven't they just simply vote themselves in? Because for two reason.s They are Taiwanese and because they are democratic. PRC is neither.



The people in the Ryukyu islands have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to vote and the right to assemble. The people in Tibet have none of these things.



Shouldn't matter. I could be martian. Ya'll are going crazy mad now.



That is the result of the surrounding geopolitics. Taiwan today only keeps the name "Republic of China" to keep getting money out of mainland China.

Well, I do think many Taiwanese were thinking about their the Chinese heritage that they did have. But in the end, Taiwanese, Chinese, Hakka, or whatever, they are also democratic. If PRC was to become a democratic country and have elections, free internet, and freedom of speech, then the Taiwanese when Ma was president, they just might have found it tempted to deepen their identity as Chinese. But CCP is utter failure. No outside nation wants to be part of the CCP until they are "harmonized" first.



Japs for ChiComs.



If you wasted your efforts, then stop posting



No you fail to understand again.

Formosa island under native control ==> Spanish and Dutch ==> Ming/Qing ==>Imperial Japan ==> CKS dictatorship ==> Democracy (1996)

Essentially, it was when Taiwan become a democracy is when Taiwan finally became the independent country like how its been before the arrival of the Spanish and Dutch. That is the same as like how when Indonesia returned to being administered by Indonesians throughout their long history of various kingdoms, before the Dutch arrived.

Taiwan is a country of freedom of speech. Naturally CCP fanboys are against freedom of speech which is why Taiwan doesn't vote itself into unification with China. If Taiwanese have always been Chinese, why haven't they just simply vote themselves in? Because for two reason.s They are Taiwanese and because they are democratic. PRC is neither.



The people in the Ryukyu islands have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to vote and the right to assemble. The people in Tibet have none of these things.



Shouldn't matter. I could be martian. Ya'll are going crazy mad now.



That is the result of the surrounding geopolitics. Taiwan today only keeps the name "Republic of China" to keep getting money out of mainland China.

Well, I do think many Taiwanese were thinking about their the Chinese heritage that they did have. But in the end, Taiwanese, Chinese, Hakka, or whatever, they are also democratic. If PRC was to become a democratic country and have elections, free internet, and freedom of speech, then the Taiwanese when Ma was president, they just might have found it tempted to deepen their identity as Chinese. But CCP is utter failure. No outside nation wants to be part of the CCP until they are "harmonized" first.



Japs for ChiComs.



If you wasted your efforts, then stop posting



No you fail to understand again.

Formosa island under native control ==> Spanish and Dutch ==> Ming/Qing ==>Imperial Japan ==> CKS dictatorship ==> Democracy (1996)

Essentially, it was when Taiwan become a democracy is when Taiwan finally became the independent country like how its been before the arrival of the Spanish and Dutch. That is the same as like how when Indonesia returned to being administered by Indonesians throughout their long history of various kingdoms, before the Dutch arrived.

Hey tell me

Do u prefer wiping with your left or right hand?

 

[Suika]

So is Japan yet Japanese whine about the loss of Kuril islands to Russians.

The Soviet military invaded the islands after the official surrender of Japan. WW2 had ended. But the Soviets invaded. Thus making it an illegal seizure.

Also, Japan has never threatened Russia over those islands. Its been entirely diplomatic.

Hey tell me

Do u prefer wiping with your left or right hand?

I thought I was a waste of time

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

The Soviet military invaded the islands after the official surrender of Japan. WW2 had ended. But the Soviets invaded. Thus making it an illegal seizure.

Also, Japan has never threatened Russia over those islands. Its been entirely diplomatic.



I thought I was a waste of time

Just answer me

Do u u wipe with your left or right hand? Do u also eat with that same hand?

 

[nang2]

The Soviet military invaded the islands after the official surrender of Japan. WW2 had ended. But the Soviets invaded. Thus making it an illegal seizure.

Also, Japan has never threatened Russia over those islands. Its been entirely diplomatic.

Threatening is also diplomatic as it just tries to accomplish something with words. Japan may not threaten Russia with military force in order to avoid provoking laughter. That is all.

 

[Pandora]

From what we have seen in the past if china wants to unify Taiwan with mainland then they wont be doing it by force. Most likely a long term plan which would involve people switching loyalties and propaganda against west to avert public against them. Unlike Yankees chinese invasion won't be that with force but a silent invasion. There are already several leaders of taiwan who have proposed unification so USA is just shitting itself over nothing.
I think americans are just shitting themselves on prospects of US tech falling into hands of china. Not that china would need them but regardless Yakee arrogance is just astounding.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Formosa island under native control ==> Spanish and Dutch ==> Ming/Qing ==>Imperial Japan ==> CKS dictatorship ==> Democracy (1996)

So foolish is the foundation of those feelings. Times come and pass. The era of imperialism has passed. The cold war has past. All of China's talk about pursuing peace in the region is all fake if they feel so insecure so as to justify making themselves even bigger. Naturally that comes at the expense of making all the surrounding countries even smaller. It is unacceptable. China is making a mistake.

hey u still have not answered me- do u wipe with your left or right hand? and do u also eat afterwards with that same hand?

 

[KAL-EL]

@waz @Slav Defence @Horus @WebMaster

At your convenience, please inspect thread for Possible verbal and/or racial abuse

 

[TaiShang]

Hey @Suika u can read most of the text right?(rem, u Japs borrowed the Chinese script to write your own language lulz)

He is an imposter. Not a Japanese, but a wannabe. Cannot read or write any Japanese.

I am collaborating with a researcher in Mainland China to write on NEA. And that colleague can read and write Japanese.

Reminds me of Nihonjin except Nihonjin was very pro China towards the end.

Yes, I remember him. He turned strong pro-China in his last year and made some South Vietnamese US posters like gambit and jhungary quite shocked.

 

[Suika]

He is an imposter. Not a Japanese, but a wannabe. Cannot read or write any Japanese.

I am collaborating with a researcher in Mainland China to write on NEA. And that colleague can read and write Japanese.



Yes, I remember him. He turned strong pro-China in his last year and made some South Vietnamese US posters like gambit and jhungary quite shocked.

Reported.

Just answer me

Do u u wipe with your left or right hand? Do u also eat with that same hand?

Reported.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

He is an imposter. Not a Japanese, but a wannabe. Cannot read or write any Japanese.

I am collaborating with a researcher in Mainland China to write on NEA. And that colleague can read and write Japanese.



Yes, I remember him. He turned strong pro-China in his last year and made some South Vietnamese US posters like gambit and jhungary quite shocked.

gambit n jhungary(<== lets just say he's some1 special in this forum- some1 with authority, i know this personally) = indian false flaggers. already highlighted why so in the other threads a few mths ago

Reported.



Reported.

lol go ahead, i see no statements of abuse in this questions lol. how u construe it is all in your own head lol.

ans me pls. and hey, y cant u post using your true identity?? posing as a jap just to spite the chinese with your anti-chinese rhetoric? cos u know the chinese wont take u seriously if u come argue as your true self? hahaha

thx

 

[Suika]

gambit n jhungary(<== lets just say he's some1 special in this forum- some1 with authority, i know this personally) = indian false flaggers. already highlighted why so in the other threads a few mths ago


lol go ahead, i see no statements of abuse in this questions lol. how u construe it is all in your own head lol.

ans me pls. and hey, y cant u post using your true identity?? posing as a jap just to spite the chinese with your anti-chinese rhetoric? cos u know the chinese wont take u seriously if u come argue as your true self? hahaha

thx

Reported.